Im looking to overclock to quad 4ghz on water

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
I would say the PhII you can hit 4.5-5Ghz with water more than whats possible with a q9550.. On the plus you save a few bucks!!

what da...

links to back this statement up. (otherwise you better take it back)

because i find this statement really wrong.

if this is the case, im going to get a PHII today.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Dravic

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Dravic
the q9550 would be able to reach 4gz easily if not for the FSB limits of overclocking with quads

Well that kinda rules it out then doesn't it heheh? The fanboys will never die...

Fanboy??? oh so witty.. +1 post count for you..

I'm sorry if my inference that the 45nm Intel chips should be able to hit 4ghz since they don't require much voltage and run rather cool wasn't in big bold letters.

let me restate it for you

If not for the stress to the FSB when overclocking quads on the intel architecture you would be able to easily hit 4ghz+ on the q9x00 series of processors. Is that better???

No it doesn't rule it out, it means you need to get a board that has been proven to handle high FSB overclocks with intel quads. As I don't have one of these boards, I would be unable to offer him a suggestion.

That's what I said, your parts selection is critical (motherboard specifically). I can run my C1 Q9550 up to 3.8Ghz stable but I need more voltage than I am willing to give my CPU 24/7 and if you have an E0 you have a much better chance of doing it with less voltage and lower temps. Plus, I only have a P35 board, and one which is not known to be easily clockable to 450Mhz+ but I have done it stable for many days at a time. I just choose not to.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: jaredpace
I'd say the q9550 would be more difficult to reach 4ghz because you're reaching the yorkfield FSB limitations and it already has a low locked multiplier. The PII 940 has an unlocked multiplier so you could keep HTLink the same, and just change multi & vcore...

But a Core2Quad @ 4GHz would stomp a Phenom2 @ 4GHz.

yep, and the fact is it can be done, not hard either. Just get good memory, run a FSB of around 475Mhz which many boards can do and bam, you're at 4Ghz.

You just have to do the homework on what boards can hit those speeds.

Yeah, except you need something akin to an X58 motherboard which usually costs $300+. Hardly a fair comparison IMO, and really you might as well get an i7 if you have that much to spend.

The Phenom 2 is a better value you than the C2Q if you're an overclocker IMHO. The op should be able to hit 4ghz using good air cooling with a P2.

I recommend the OCZ Vendetta 2.

the X58 is not even a socket 775 Mobo so you are wrong on many levels.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
I thought X58 is for i7?

P45-based motherboard can do 4 Ghz w/Q9550, and costs under $150.

I said "X58-esque".

I actually meant X48, thanks for reminding me.

Isn't it true that you need an X48 motherboard to hit high FSBs like 450mhz+?

No, as I said previously...my IP-35 Pro can do 450Mhz stable 24/7 but my chip needs more volts than I am willing to give for 24/7

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
...run a FSB of around 475Mhz which many boards can do and bam, you're at 4Ghz.

You just have to do the homework on what boards can hit those speeds.

I've done the homework, & there's only one board, not many, that i've seen that people can consistently stably reach 475+ with quads on.

It's the Gigabyte UD3R/P.

Sure, you get occasional lucky results with other boards, but there are incredibly few results i've seen that are actually stable on any board other than that Gigabyte.

Even i cannot get my Asus P5Q-D there stably, & i'd consider it a very decent quad OCing board.

Anyway, NinjaGnome, get a Q9550 & the Gigabyte UD3R/P.

If I had an E0 cpu I could hit 3.8Ghz 24/7 but my C1 needs over 1.4v to get it done. Not a big deal as 3.6Ghz on a Q9550 is really a monster of a CPU for today's apps. If I needed more I'd be building an i7 box and wouldn't be looking for 4Ghz.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: jaredpace
I'd say the q9550 would be more difficult to reach 4ghz because you're reaching the yorkfield FSB limitations and it already has a low locked multiplier. The PII 940 has an unlocked multiplier so you could keep HTLink the same, and just change multi & vcore...

But a Core2Quad @ 4GHz would stomp a Phenom2 @ 4GHz.

yep, and the fact is it can be done, not hard either. Just get good memory, run a FSB of around 475Mhz which many boards can do and bam, you're at 4Ghz.

You just have to do the homework on what boards can hit those speeds.

The Phenom 2 is a better value you than the C2Q if you're an overclocker IMHO. The op should be able to hit 4ghz using good air cooling with a P2.

I recommend the OCZ Vendetta 2.

Elaborate please.

It's easier to overclock, and I don't think there is a $220 intel quad that can hit 4ghz due to FSB limitations.

The AMD platform is also cheaper, and it's nice to know that you can drop the P2 into an AM3 board when they come out.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: jaredpace
I'd say the q9550 would be more difficult to reach 4ghz because you're reaching the yorkfield FSB limitations and it already has a low locked multiplier. The PII 940 has an unlocked multiplier so you could keep HTLink the same, and just change multi & vcore...

But a Core2Quad @ 4GHz would stomp a Phenom2 @ 4GHz.

yep, and the fact is it can be done, not hard either. Just get good memory, run a FSB of around 475Mhz which many boards can do and bam, you're at 4Ghz.

You just have to do the homework on what boards can hit those speeds.

The Phenom 2 is a better value you than the C2Q if you're an overclocker IMHO. The op should be able to hit 4ghz using good air cooling with a P2.

I recommend the OCZ Vendetta 2.

Elaborate please.

It's easier to overclock, and I don't think there is a $220 intel quad that can hit 4ghz due to FSB limitations.

The AMD platform is also cheaper, and it's nice to know that you can drop the P2 into an AM3 board when they come out.

Again, like I said in the other thread you're forgetting that Intel will cut prices. Lets say you do pay more for the Intel setup, it's STILL FASTER than the PII. Even with DDR2 it will be a faster CPU if you have Intel. Upgrading the board to AM3 is an added expense which makes it more expensive than just buying a good board for a Q9550 now.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
I would say the PhII you can hit 4.5-5Ghz with water more than whats possible with a q9550.. On the plus you save a few bucks!!

what da...

links to back this statement up. (otherwise you better take it back)

because i find this statement really wrong.

if this is the case, im going to get a PHII today.

oohh ya i was thinking about Phase got confused..amm so i take it back because Phase != Water:thumbsup:

 

[NinjaGnome]

Well I am dead set on the water since its a integral part of the case mod, I will be using 1 3x120 swifttech rad and then one 2x120 swifttech rad. I am building this case to be used for a long time with only a waterblock replacement if needed. I love oc'ing and modding more than I do playing games, I will mostly be doing my basic photoshop, web design, and review writing on this pc. I have seen claims that the york uses less power than the PH2, is this true? Power consumption can be a deciding factor for me as well.

 

[RallyMaster]

It's rumoured that Intel will cut prices this month so I would wait it out. If Intel cuts prices, I would not be surprised if $270 can get you a Q9550.

 

[TidusZ]

My q9550 does 4.25 pretty easily on the UD3R, had it considerably higher running windows but not prime stable at all. @4.25 you can run prime til the cows come home and temps are mid 60's with good air cooling, the highest I've ever seen was 70c on one core on the smallest ffts when I had a decent dust buildup (vacuum sucks, need to buy compressed air).

Water coolling sounds like a waste of cash to me, but if your doing it for the looks, be my guest. the q9550 might max at 3.8 or might max at 4.3, or anywhere in there, its all luck really and then having the knowledge to tap into what it can do. Goodluck

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: jaredpace
I'd say the q9550 would be more difficult to reach 4ghz because you're reaching the yorkfield FSB limitations and it already has a low locked multiplier. The PII 940 has an unlocked multiplier so you could keep HTLink the same, and just change multi & vcore...

But a Core2Quad @ 4GHz would stomp a Phenom2 @ 4GHz.

yep, and the fact is it can be done, not hard either. Just get good memory, run a FSB of around 475Mhz which many boards can do and bam, you're at 4Ghz.

You just have to do the homework on what boards can hit those speeds.

The Phenom 2 is a better value you than the C2Q if you're an overclocker IMHO. The op should be able to hit 4ghz using good air cooling with a P2.

I recommend the OCZ Vendetta 2.

Elaborate please.

It's easier to overclock, and I don't think there is a $220 intel quad that can hit 4ghz due to FSB limitations.

The AMD platform is also cheaper, and it's nice to know that you can drop the P2 into an AM3 board when they come out.

Again, like I said in the other thread you're forgetting that Intel will cut prices. Lets say you do pay more for the Intel setup, it's STILL FASTER than the PII. Even with DDR2 it will be a faster CPU if you have Intel. Upgrading the board to AM3 is an added expense which makes it more expensive than just buying a good board for a Q9550 now.

Why wait for intel to cut prices when you can get a Phenom 2 today?

Intel has not announced any price cuts, and according to the rumours I have heard, they will not cut prices.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Atechie

Originally posted by: jaredpace
I'd say the q9550 would be more difficult to reach 4ghz because you're reaching the yorkfield FSB limitations and it already has a low locked multiplier. The PII 940 has an unlocked multiplier so you could keep HTLink the same, and just change multi & vcore...

But a Core2Quad @ 4GHz would stomp a Phenom2 @ 4GHz.

yep, and the fact is it can be done, not hard either. Just get good memory, run a FSB of around 475Mhz which many boards can do and bam, you're at 4Ghz.

You just have to do the homework on what boards can hit those speeds.

The Phenom 2 is a better value you than the C2Q if you're an overclocker IMHO. The op should be able to hit 4ghz using good air cooling with a P2.

I recommend the OCZ Vendetta 2.

Elaborate please.

It's easier to overclock, and I don't think there is a $220 intel quad that can hit 4ghz due to FSB limitations.

The AMD platform is also cheaper, and it's nice to know that you can drop the P2 into an AM3 board when they come out.

Again, like I said in the other thread you're forgetting that Intel will cut prices. Lets say you do pay more for the Intel setup, it's STILL FASTER than the PII. Even with DDR2 it will be a faster CPU if you have Intel. Upgrading the board to AM3 is an added expense which makes it more expensive than just buying a good board for a Q9550 now.

Why wait for intel to cut prices when you can get a Phenom 2 today?

Intel has not announced any price cuts, and according to the rumours I have heard, they will not cut prices.

Because the Q9550 is faster, will be faster after overclocking, and will always and forever be faster than the PII is NOW.

That's why!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: NinjaGnome
Well I am dead set on the water since its a integral part of the case mod, I will be using 1 3x120 swifttech rad and then one 2x120 swifttech rad. I am building this case to be used for a long time with only a waterblock replacement if needed. I love oc'ing and modding more than I do playing games, I will mostly be doing my basic photoshop, web design, and review writing on this pc. I have seen claims that the york uses less power than the PH2, is this true? Power consumption can be a deciding factor for me as well.

water DOES NOT GAURENTEE OVERCLOCK,

If your heat limited then yeah it will push you over that niche.

But just cuz its WATERCOOLED, does not mean your automatically given a 4ghz ticket on a yorkfield.

The only gaurentee 4ghz chip i can say are:

Q9650 E0
Q9550 E0 <--- but pray you dont get a C1
QX9650
QX9750
QX9770

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Water coolling sounds like a waste of cash to me,

To each his own. To me its manditory.

 

[Infrnl]

Let me put in my 2cents.

I have a 9550 EO that I could only get to 3.6 ishghz on my Asus P5K dlx (P35) and 3.6 on my DFI X38 board. so I was goint to get rid of everything.

Found the Gigabyte P45-UD3P and I can get the board all the way up to 530 without any tweaking. granted its probably not 100% stable, but will run easily within vista.

Right now I just started playing and have my 9550 running 471x8.5=4ghz @ 1.2v and no tweaking on the mobo.

The Gigabyte is the best quad board I have ever seen and it is very easy to get where you want. I have seen a guy hit (I think he's almost to 5ghz on a Q9550) he has passed 530 by far on the mobo; granted he is at a vcore of 1.6v; but he doesnt care; he just wants to push the cpu and if it breaks, it breaks/

Bottom line:
You want a Q9550, P45-UD3P FTW! EDIT: CPU approx $300new, mobo approx $125 shipped after rebate. in nov early dec it was $100 for mobo

I use a Vendetta 2 which yields me a little better performance than the Xig 1283!
But if you are set on water; than go for it.

If money is no object; get the Q9650E0 as Aigo said

If you want I7 it seems that you have to push higher voltage to get them up to 4ghz and beyond; also run a lot hotter as well

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: NinjaGnome
Well I am dead set on the water since its a integral part of the case mod, I will be using 1 3x120 swifttech rad and then one 2x120 swifttech rad. I am building this case to be used for a long time with only a waterblock replacement if needed. I love oc'ing and modding more than I do playing games, I will mostly be doing my basic photoshop, web design, and review writing on this pc. I have seen claims that the york uses less power than the PH2, is this true? Power consumption can be a deciding factor for me as well.

water DOES NOT GAURENTEE OVERCLOCK,

If your heat limited then yeah it will push you over that niche.

But just cuz its WATERCOOLED, does not mean your automatically given a 4ghz ticket on a yorkfield.

The only gaurentee 4ghz chip i can say are:

Q9650 E0
Q9550 E0 <--- but pray you dont get a C1
QX9650
QX9750
QX9770

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Water coolling sounds like a waste of cash to me,

To each his own. To me its manditory.

There are places that guarantee a stepping.

Just an FYI: I have my C1 at 3.8Ghz on air, I'm pretty sure that under water where I can push a bit of voltage and still keep it cool I could get 4Ghz on it.

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: NinjaGnome
Well I am dead set on the water since its a integral part of the case mod, I will be using 1 3x120 swifttech rad and then one 2x120 swifttech rad. I am building this case to be used for a long time with only a waterblock replacement if needed. I love oc'ing and modding more than I do playing games, I will mostly be doing my basic photoshop, web design, and review writing on this pc. I have seen claims that the york uses less power than the PH2, is this true? Power consumption can be a deciding factor for me as well.

water DOES NOT GAURENTEE OVERCLOCK,

If your heat limited then yeah it will push you over that niche.

But just cuz its WATERCOOLED, does not mean your automatically given a 4ghz ticket on a yorkfield.

The only gaurentee 4ghz chip i can say are:

Q9650 E0
Q9550 E0 <--- but pray you dont get a C1
QX9650
QX9750
QX9770

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Water coolling sounds like a waste of cash to me,

To each his own. To me its manditory.

I meant specifically for his purposes - its gonna run at 4 on water or air just the same, it'll be the chip itself thats the bottleneck. For me, water cooling is more of a hobbyist thing most of the time, but sometimes in its best application, its a way to get more clockspeed. I'd use it for the latter.

 

[aigomorla]

he already has water.

LOL...

i missed his thread in cases and cooling.

So his best shot is a Q9550 E0. He has a Q6600 on water already, so AMD solution is defnitely out the door.

Cost of new board + DDR3 + PHII = Q9650.

At that point he should just grab a Q9650 for his setup as it would stomp any PHII that came up against it.

 

[NinjaGnome]

I understand water wont help if im hitting the ceiling before the temps rise too high. The water is a personal preference and I wont likely be going back to air. Its looking like the general consensus is the ud3p and a 9950 E0. prices should take a nice hit when i buy in about a month and a half.

 

[TidusZ]

Go for UD3P if you're planning on doing crossfire, otherwise save money and go with the UD3R, exact same board, one less pcie-8 (effectively) slot.

 

[ghost recon88]

Q9550 E0 @ 4GHz with 1.232v on a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P with a lapped TRUE.

 

[NinjaGnome]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
Go for UD3P if you're planning on doing crossfire, otherwise save money and go with the UD3R, exact same board, one less pcie-8 (effectively) slot.

These do not do SLI correct? I have a gtx280 on order

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: NinjaGnome

Originally posted by: TidusZ
Go for UD3P if you're planning on doing crossfire, otherwise save money and go with the UD3R, exact same board, one less pcie-8 (effectively) slot.

These do not do SLI correct? I have a gtx280 on order

no the only board on lga775 with sli is the nvidia boards.

But they dont overclock very well.

If your getting a new sli board + new cpu, you might as well step up to an i7.

 

[a123456]

Well, now that they are semi-announced, try getting a Q9650 E0 on Jan 18. It's just a week away.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=214354

 

[djnsmith7]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
I would say the PhII you can hit 4.5-5Ghz with water more than whats possible with a q9550.. On the plus you save a few bucks!!

I don't buy this at all...Need to see some proof...otherwise I call BS...