I'm done with this place.

[JulesMaximus]

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If you cant maintain yourself then do not post...
If you have a issue with someone report it...
Not a proper response...

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Bartman39

 

[BUTCH1]

Since a bike only has 2 wheels ABS is a good idea. My car has 4WD+ABS, it came in handy one day when trying to exit I-95 a line of cars was unexpectedly stopped on the off ramp, the reason?, some stupid bitch missed the off ramp and decided to rectify the situation by BACKING UP ON THE HIGHWAY!, without ABS I would have skidded into the cars in front of me..

 

[soccerballtux]

+1 makes no sense why anyone wouldn't want them.

 

[Plugers]

Nice, I did a search on some reviews and ran across the Monster Diesel....Unfortunately it was only styling by the jean designer.

 

[Ferzerp]

SUV slammed on the brakes in front of me.

So, more accurate wording might be: When I was following too close for safety and couldn't stop my small bike faster than the 5,000 lbs chunk of steel in front of me was able to stop without ABS?

 

[Fenixgoon]

all the pros bitch about electronic aids...until their lap times get faster

 

[Insomniator]

So, more accurate wording might be: When I was following too close for safety and couldn't stop my small bike faster than the 5,000 lbs chunk of steel in front of me was able to stop without ABS?

hahah yes probably this

 

[Vic Vega]

My VFR 1200F has ABS - never need it in city traffic.

 

[Ferzerp]

hahah yes probably this

Unless someone enters your lane going far slower than they should be right in front of you, any rear end situation is your fault (e.g. 55 mph road with car at a stop sign that cuts you off with a right turn in to your lane with a less than a 50 ft gap)

 

[soccerballtux]

Unless someone enters your lane going far slower than they should be right in front of you, any rear end situation is your fault (e.g. 55 mph road with car at a stop sign that cuts you off with a right turn in to your lane with a less than a 50 ft gap)

that's the main problem, people see gap and go "oh, sweet I'll merge in", ad infinitum

 

[JulesMaximus]

So, more accurate wording might be: When I was following too close for safety and couldn't stop my small bike faster than the 5,000 lbs chunk of steel in front of me was able to stop without ABS?

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[BUTCH1]

I'll admit that I was following too close and I was not expecting her to brake as she did. Uneven pavement may have played into it as well.

I've made plenty of mistakes while driving and while riding a motorcycle. Thankfully, none of them have been bad enough that they resulted in injury.

I'm sure you've never made a mistake while driving though. :sneaky:

Do you actually have anything useful to add to this discussion or are you just going to critique my years of riding experience based on one single sentence?

We all make mistakes or get impatient, it's human nature. On a bike though the consequences can be severe, with a lot of bikes on the roads around here I've forced myself to check twice before pulling out into a lane, no excuses for pulling out in front of a bike IMO..

 

[JulesMaximus]

We all make mistakes or get impatient, it's human nature. On a bike though the consequences can be severe, with a lot of bikes on the roads around here I've forced myself to check twice before pulling out into a lane, no excuses for pulling out in front of a bike IMO..

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[Raghu]

Looks very useful, even on a 180cc(smaller with ABS?).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXwiYMX3X3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQaB05vvfy0

 

[Throckmorton]

A few years ago I was leaving work and coming down a hill to a stop light coming up quickly behind someone going way too slow and the light changed. The guy could have easily made the light and I could have too but he decided to stop at the last possible second. I was gunning it because I knew I could make the light but now suddenly I had to stop. I was on the brakes, both of them, the rear got light and started to skid, the back end stepped out a bit but I was able to bring the bike to a stop a few feet behind the car in front of me. That was without ABS.

Not everyone has the skill to do that. No matter how much you remind yourself to be 100% attentive to the task at hand, your mind will wander and you may find yourself in an "oh shit" situation. I don't care who you are. It happens.

Aren't both brakes controlled by the same lever?

 

[satyajitmenon]

Aren't both brakes controlled by the same lever?

That's linked braking. Not ABS

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I'll admit that I was following too close and I was not expecting her to brake as she did. Uneven pavement may have played into it as well.

I've made plenty of mistakes while driving and while riding a motorcycle. Thankfully, none of them have been bad enough that they resulted in injury.

I'm sure you've never made a mistake while driving though. :sneaky:

Do you actually have anything useful to add to this discussion or are you just going to critique my years of riding experience based on one single sentence?

I don't think its the mistake, but so much as how you explained it. As you just admitted you were in the wrong for following too closely (as is almost always the situation when you have a bike rear ending a vehicle)

But you didn't explain it that way. You instead call the driver a twat for a situation you put yourself in. She made the mistake of braking in an unexpected fashion for you, and got the designation of twat. Does that mean you consider yourself a a twat for following too closely? A mistake for a mistake?

Or is it only twat-worthy when someone other than you is messing up.

I guess the problem is that you have an extremely self-righteous viewpoint that is bound to annoy some people, especially when you combine it with being a motorcycle rider.

 

[Ferzerp]

I don't think its the mistake, but so much as how you explained it. As you just admitted you were in the wrong for following too closely (as is almost always the situation when you have a bike rear ending a vehicle)

But you didn't explain it that way. You instead call the driver a twat for a situation you put yourself in. She made the mistake of braking in an unexpected fashion for you, and got the designation of twat. Does that mean you consider yourself a a twat for following too closely? A mistake for a mistake?

Or is it only twat-worthy when someone other than you is messing up.

I guess the problem is that you have an extremely self-righteous viewpoint that is bound to annoy some people, especially when you combine it with being a motorcycle rider.

bingo.

 

[JulesMaximus]

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[JulesMaximus]

I don't think its the mistake, but so much as how you explained it. As you just admitted you were in the wrong for following too closely (as is almost always the situation when you have a bike rear ending a vehicle)

But you didn't explain it that way. You instead call the driver a twat for a situation you put yourself in. She made the mistake of braking in an unexpected fashion for you, and got the designation of twat. Does that mean you consider yourself a a twat for following too closely? A mistake for a mistake?

Or is it only twat-worthy when someone other than you is messing up.

I guess the problem is that you have an extremely self-righteous viewpoint that is bound to annoy some people, especially when you combine it with being a motorcycle rider.

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bingo.

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This will stop and I mean now...

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Bartman39

 

[Ferzerp]

I pity you. Apparently, you cannot own up to your own mistakes, and when called on it, act like a child.

Why oh why would we have a negative opinion of motorcycle riders here. Gee, I cannot fathom. There must be a reason. What could it be?

 

[JulesMaximus]

I pity you. Apparently, you cannot own up to your own mistakes, and when called on it, act like a child.

Why oh why would we have a negative opinion of motorcycle riders here. Gee, I cannot fathom. There must be a reason. What could it be?

I create a thread about ABS on motorcycles and you jump on one comment I made that was completely unrelated to the topic.

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[Baked]

Hilarious. I used to think only girls do that, then after years working in the service industry and interacting with numerous customers and employees, I found out, it's about equal.

 

[Doppel]

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[infoiltrator]

My experience is the two times I was in a car that needed (and used ABS) it did not help.
In the 600,000 miles I have ridden motorcycles I can not remember a time I needed ABS since perhaps the first 20,000 miles or so.
Difficult point is four of us were riding briskly and the guy on the bike with ABS crashed braking in a corner. His was last of us four and our speed made him uncomfortable, he being the least experienced.
The road surface contributed.
On a motorcycle there are road conditions that can "confound" the effects of ABS.
As can soft shoulders or dirt riding.
Cars are normally much better.

When driving I encountered spilled mulch (I think) at the start of a thunder storm.
Slippery wet mulch coated the wheels and slid. Possibly locked wheels would have scrubbed the slippery off, maybe.
ABS gave absolutely no help spinning down the road. Speed was low, road was wide, damage minor )rear bumper hit guard rail after four or five spins slowed me down.
Second time was passenger in a vehicle with 4 wheel drive and ABS. Driver felt confident going down a steep hill with four inches of fresh snow.
Still could not stop once started, hit a car on cross street (idiot stopped, saw us coming, and stayed there) than a fence

Anyway real world skill and judgment trumps ABS.
Would I want to own a car without ABS ? No. Cars can lull you into not paying attention, and my experience is not typical.

Bikes I have mixed feelings. I've invested a lot of time and effort into "reading" road surface conditions, and distrust complex systems I can not really service.
And there are places ABS is inappropriate.

For bikes " pay attention, focus, they really will do the dumbest thing in front of you."
If this is a car with ABS outbraking a bike. Using bike brakes to the limit (or near it) is an acquired skill involving a lot of practice.
As a young idiot I wanted racing skills and practiced accordingly.
Most people lose the braking contest on reaction time " OMG, I gotta stop."
In those cases, ABS on bikes would probably help. Adrenaline panic does not help braking distances.