Sorry, I am not going to argue with you guys. There are too many of you. And there is no point anyway -- You won't change your views, neither will I change mine. I was kind of mad when I posted the first reply, however, I still mean what I said. The future is predestined, and I have too much to do right now. So, forget it.
Well good for your family and friends i guess but too bad they were tricked into thinking that this was a "fight for freedom" and bullcrap like that. Why would u support a war that has caused more casualties than if saddam was still there? How can you say that a country is free if another country's troops are occupying it? How could you, in your right mind believe that anything good can come out of this and that iraq will look anything like the US after this is all over (in 10 years). It was the wrong war at the wrong time for the wrong reason and with the wrong president at the healm. You have got to look at each war individually and stop bunching stuff together. Barely anyone thinks Afghanistan was a mistake but Iraq clearly was. Troops should be respected equally but you have to call it as you see it....a stupidly planned war is a stupidly planned war.
AznAnarchy99
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Only one BIG problem.
We went to Iraq to get those Weapons of Mass Destruction, remember???
Oh that's right, conveniently changed the subject and oh yeah Saddam masterminded
9-11 too.
Even Democrats agree that we shouldnt pull out. It would create a haven for terrorists. We got in there, theres no changing that, but looking at the future it would be bad to pull out
Wow. All of our soldiers who believe in this war and are risking their lives for it as we speak are being "tricked"???? Show some respect for our military personnel, they're not ignorant.
Googer
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- Nov 11, 2004
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there was never any relation shown between Iraq and 9/11.
bush planned the iraqi occupation before 9/11 (evidenced by the downing street memo).
bush and his people have made billions off the war, via halliburton.
bush planned the iraqi occupation before 9/11 (evidenced by the downing street memo).
bush and his people have made billions off the war, via halliburton.
Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Only one BIG problem.
We went to Iraq to get those Weapons of Mass Destruction, remember???
Oh that's right, conveniently changed the subject and oh yeah Saddam masterminded
9-11 too.
Even Democrats agree that we shouldnt pull out. It would create a haven for terrorists.
We got in there, theres no changing that, but looking at the future it would be bad to pull out
It's not a "haven" for terrists now? Our troops must be blowing themselves up???
You know...that's not a bad idea...I might go check out Free Republic. If I can't get some smarter people to argue with, at least I can get more of them. That's sort of the same thing
Edit: After looking around Free Republic...I've got to say they have the most god awful organization and design ever. That being said, it looks like posting there could be a lot of fun...they need some dissenting opinions there. Although my guess is that sort of thing isn't too welcome. Only one way to find out!
Bowfinger
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2002
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Based on my brief visits, you'll have to settle for quantity. They don't just swill the Kool-Aid, they mainline it. Those boys are loons.Originally posted by: Rainsford
You know...that's not a bad idea...I might go check out Free Republic. If I can't get some smarter people to argue with, at least I can get more of them. That's sort of the same thing
SP33Demon
Lifer
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This war is a fcking farce and we should not be there. We're a global embarrassment because of it and I'm ashamed we went to Iraq in the first place. Countries are laughing at us and the record level debt our kids will inherit for this farce of a "war".
We haven't found any "terrorists" in Iraq, just religious fanatics who otherwise could have cared less about the United States of America. Going into their backyard and putting our young men and women at risk for such a farce of a "war" is a tragedy.
We haven't found any "terrorists" in Iraq, just religious fanatics who otherwise could have cared less about the United States of America. Going into their backyard and putting our young men and women at risk for such a farce of a "war" is a tragedy.
Hello fellow anadtechers. I am personally not American, so some might view this as none of my business, but I just want to put in my two cents. I am Canadian and have been so for many years; initially I was born in Russia. The war topic is a tough one to discuss, but still I think it should be talked about. Putting aside why America went to Iraq, and focusing on if they should stay or go, since this is the topic of discussion here. I personally believe that America should not leave Iraq or it would be one of the largest errors that they could possibly make. By going into Iraq the states stirred up a hornets nest. As we stand there are uncountable number of resistance groups all vying for power and money in the region. There is a fledgling police force and a non existent Iraqi army. Lets say for example that the states packs up and leaves tomorrow. As Iraq stands, it has no way to enforce order and law and there are numerous terrorist groups just waiting to take over the region. If there is no one to stop the terrorists then they will remove the government from power and enforce their own views. Here lies another problem. Obviously the views of some terrorist groups differ from other terrorists groups. If the country has no government and anarchy reigns then people that would otherwise be peace abiding citizens will now join some sort of resistance group because they don?t agree with the views of the most powerful resistance group that might be running the country. This will cause a chain effect and all we will end up with is exponentially many terrorist groups. The smaller an organization is the easier it is for it to conceal its activities and harder to track it.
Basically what I am getting at is if US was to leave they would be in a ten time worse situation than what they were in initially. Leaving the country without proper order is absolutely out of the question. My point does not take into consideration things like finances and lives that it costs to fight this war. This is something the US should have thought of before entering in. To tell you the truth I think they thought it all through, but really underestimated the resistance that they would face. I don?t think Americans should be ashamed of one another for wishing to leave Iraq or wishing to stay. Everyone has their own reasons and truly none of us really knows 10% of the truth behind all this stuff. All our views and opinions are based on media. As much as media tries to bring forward correct representation of what is happening it still messes up or is purposefully messed up very often. There is just way to much underlying politics for the average person to know and the government certainly doesn?t release things like that.
Well I wish the US best of luck and hopefully this war can be resolved sooner rather than latter.
AND THIS IS MY 2 CENTS
Basically what I am getting at is if US was to leave they would be in a ten time worse situation than what they were in initially. Leaving the country without proper order is absolutely out of the question. My point does not take into consideration things like finances and lives that it costs to fight this war. This is something the US should have thought of before entering in. To tell you the truth I think they thought it all through, but really underestimated the resistance that they would face. I don?t think Americans should be ashamed of one another for wishing to leave Iraq or wishing to stay. Everyone has their own reasons and truly none of us really knows 10% of the truth behind all this stuff. All our views and opinions are based on media. As much as media tries to bring forward correct representation of what is happening it still messes up or is purposefully messed up very often. There is just way to much underlying politics for the average person to know and the government certainly doesn?t release things like that.
Well I wish the US best of luck and hopefully this war can be resolved sooner rather than latter.
AND THIS IS MY 2 CENTS
First of all, even if that was it...I don't see anything wrong with that. I find your dismissal of that rather odd, since seeing the troops come back alive and well has got to be something you're in favor of (right...?). Or would you be happier if the anti-war folks behaved like they did during Vietnam? Seriously, of all the things to complain about, anti-war people hoping the troops don't die seems pretty far down on the list. Even if they don't show the Republican uber-patriot level of support (give me a break), dismissing their desire to see the soldiers return safely seems pretty low-class to me.
Secondly, it's not just that. I for example support the troops in the sense that I hope they are able to do their jobs in addition to not dying. The fact that you don't think of their job in the same way I do isn't my problem. It has been explain many many times that some of us believe in the worth of a soldier and what they do outside of whatever random conflict they are presently engaged in.
Well that's just not good enough. Sure, you don't want them maimed or killed...but who cares about that. The real question is, do you support Bush and HIS version of the war. Because obviously THAT's the real way to support the troops.
I'm not saying there is something wrong with it. I'm saying it's not enough to say to someone who daily is putting their life on the line for the mission in Iraq that you "hope they don't die." There is a NOTICABLE omission from this "support," and that would be that they succeed and win.
Actually, we should continue this discussion in here.
3chordcharlie
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But when you don't support the high-level goals of the campaign, or the fact that there is a campaign at all, how do you define 'succeed'?
umbrella39
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So basically, you hope they don't die but if they do it is ok, so long as YOU say they are fighting for a just cause and YOU say they all want to be there. Zzzzzzz.
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