Illinois sets up its own version of the Dream Act

[First]

I did read it, you missed my point.

news flash: state universitys run a deficit, their TUITION FEES dont cover the cost of education, there by implying that in fact the state taxes that fund them are used to educate a student even if they are receiving full in state tuition..

Huh? State universities running a deficit has nothing to do with the perfectly monetarily adequate, privately-funded tuition that will be deposited in state coffers as a result of this project. State makes money here unless the article is inaccurate.

UIUC has something close to 35% of its student pop from out of state or out of country(something else I dont agree with based on the fact that my taxes pay for students no matter what) who pay a MUCH higher tuition fee, and they still bleed us dry.

I don't understand your point.

 

[First]

Not the babies themselves but the illegal parents that use them to stay in this country. Why do you hate America? Do you still beat your wife? I can ask loaded questions too.

I followed the link. Clearly, you need illegals to pick your lettuce and mow your lawn. From your posts in this thread and the other, it can be seen that you love illegals. Perhaps you married one? Either way, you defend them to no end and anyone who disagrees with you is a xenophobe.

Xeonphobe just means fear of foreigners, doesn't mean anything nefarious like KKK lyncher or something. But bottom line is reasonable people aren't afraid of illegals, they pose no threat to American finances or way of life any more than any other American and deporting as some tards would have you believe is necessary (hilarious coming from the same people worried about gov't finances) simply isn't going to happen for lots of very good, sound reasons. The ideological rigidity of people brought up, or taught, to treat illegals as less than American will necessarily blind them from the reality that they are very much Americans. That applies to legal residents too, as there is no inherent differences between the two.

Also, when people claim their fervor over illegals is because they're breaking the law, I always use the analogy (and I especially love this one because no one has yet been able to effectively thwart it) that if the simple act of breaking a law like jumping a border fence were so reprehensible, why isn't there the same fervor over jaywalking across a busy highway? Jumping a border fence is a singular act, the far-reaching consequences of this act are nil, no one is physically harmed any more than the normal rate of criminal illegal acts by native-born Americans. The claims of illegals exhausting gov't resources and the canard that they lower wages and take jobs is quite thoroughly debunked. Meanwhile, jaywalking has far more potential disastrous consequences than jumping a border fence, such as risking one's life and the life of spouses, siblings, relatives and/or children crossing, damage to property (cars, insurance claims, etc.). There is no upside to jaywalking other than saving a few seconds and a few breaths on one's walk, it's entirely reckless. There is huge upside to illegal immigration, mainly economic but also culturally and morally.

 

[chucky2]

Jaywalking adds tens of Millions of people, and a hundred Million or more within a hundred years or so? Awesome analogy.

P.S. Ask anyone who actually works in construction: Illegals have absolutely depressed wages, there is about zero argument there (to say nothing of them doing jobs that otherwise would have to be done by actual citizens).

Whatever White Guilt/Bleeding Heart/AgainstTheMan/They'llLikelyVoteDemAndNotRep thing you've got going on here isn't going to make them being here any less wrong. Keep trying to spin it though, you're doing an admirable job....

 

[Infohawk]

There is huge upside to illegal immigration, mainly economic but also culturally and morally.

Economic upside? Ridiculous. If I recall from the last thread on it you had no real evidence of an economic upside. Meanwhile basic statistics show that the average illegal can't possibly pay enough in sales tax and withholdings to pay for the cost of a couple children in public schooling.

Moral upside? Absurd. You're fucking over people from other countries that are waiting to come here legally.

The most annoying thing about your posts is how ignorantly smug you are about these complex issues and how quickly you resort to calling people xenophobes.

 

[First]

Economic upside? Ridiculous. If I recall from the last thread on it you had no real evidence of an economic upside. Meanwhile basic statistics show that the average illegal can't possibly pay enough in sales tax and withholdings to pay for the cost of a couple children in public schooling.

No actually, I quite clearly delineated it in the last thread, most vividly by explaining there was no possible way to replace the demand created by the consumption of approx. 10M-12M illegal immigrants. This has the effect of keeping businesses in business which helps make make payroll to pay employees which stimulates demand because people generally need jobs to consume. It's not very difficult to understand and can quite easily make up for their consumption of gov't services.

Moral upside? Absurd. You're fucking over people from other countries that are waiting to come here legally.

You'll first have to explain how legal immigrants are fucked over by illegal immigrants, as I'm not sure what you're referring to. Plus that's not their intention by and large even if true, as I imagine illegals want to work and live a better life more than they desire to fuck legal immigrants over (lmao).

he most annoying thing about your posts is how ignorantly smug you are about these complex issues and how quickly you resort to calling people xenophobes.

Meh.

Jaywalking adds tens of Millions of people, and a hundred Million or more within a hundred years or so? Awesome analogy.

Oh right, you're the guy that says we're running out of space across the country. rofl.

P.S. Ask anyone who actually works in construction: Illegals have absolutely depressed wages, there is about zero argument there (to say nothing of them doing jobs that otherwise would have to be done by actual citizens).

No actually, housing has vastly increased in popularity since illegal immigration became a problem, and their negative effect on construction wages doesn't exist; they may replace some construction workers but by and large immigrants will do construction more often than native-born Americans anyway, so them depressing wages slightly doesn't really impact a whole hell of a lot of people, and their positive upside is again quite demonstrable; lowered prices for consumers on all sorts of food and commodities and a vast swath of businesses reliant on their consumption to employ Americans.

 

[Double Trouble]

All I can say is "wow.... just wow"... the legislature of IL is nuts. With all the challenges facing the state, financial crisis, jobs fleeing to other states, inner city violence, they spend their time creating a program to provide additional benefits for illegal aliens? Really? Wow. I don't care if it costs the taxpayers $1 or $1 billion, either way it's retarded and wrong on so many levels.

 

[IBMer]

Marco Rubio is an anchor baby and yet he is concidered the brightest, up and coming senator for the tea party.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Marco Rubio is an anchor baby and yet he is concidered the brightest, up and coming senator for the tea party.

Point?

 

[Zargon]

Huh? State universities running a deficit has nothing to do with the perfectly monetarily adequate, privately-funded tuition that will be deposited in state coffers as a result of this project. State makes money here unless the article is inaccurate.



I don't understand your point.

let me state the point as plain as possible.

the unisveristy runs a huge deficit. they spend way more than the amount they charge per student for tuition, for a students education.

IE state funding supplements your tuition to provide an education. every student that goes to UIUC is getting part of their education funded by tax dollars. so these dream kids in fact, are getting state tax dollars even though their tuition is paid by private donation. the state is not making any money, they are still losing money.

out of state tuition is rougly 3 times as much as in state tuition. if in state tuition was enough to cover the costs of providing the kids education as you say, then with all the out of state tuition payers the university of illinois system wouldnt need 1 trillion dollars in 2010 to operate

I am aware that its not actually that simple, but its silly to say that tuition covers the costs of the education and that students arent a drain on the state budget.

most of that is UIUC's fault for being a boondoggle of retardness and waste.

 

[Double Trouble]

Marco Rubio is an anchor baby and yet he is concidered the brightest, up and coming senator for the tea party.

Even assuming he is an "anchor baby" (I don't have a clue if he is or not), that's completely irrelevant to the discussion of whether setting up special programs to benefit illegal aliens at a time when the state is facing massive economic/financial issues is appropriate.