Illinois sets up its own version of the Dream Act

[nick1985]

I notice the usual group of lefty blowhards is missing from this thread

 

[CPA]

so it's okay for states to give handouts to illegals but heaven forbid they want to make laws to detain illegals.

 

[nick1985]

so it's okay for states to give handouts to illegals but heaven forbid they want to make laws to detain illegals.

Yep. Is there something you don't understand?

 

[Jaskalas]

so it's okay for states to give handouts to illegals but heaven forbid they want to make laws to detain illegals.

One is positive for the open borders agenda, the other is negative. It's not a double standard, it's a hidden one with very clear reasoning.

 

[piasabird]

There is an infestation of illegal Immigrants in Chicago. People in Chicago could not survive without an illegal work force. They are liberals and are not smart enough to work at Mc Donalds, or work as a maid in a hotel. This is from my experience staying at a hotel in Chicago for a few days.

 

[First]

You can really tell from threads like this those who hate illegals; since this'll essentially cost almost no IL taxpayer money and zero federal tax dollars, the "costs" of illegals continues to be the conservative canard used to justify the xenophobia, with threads like this further confirming this reality. It's sad, but oh well, progress takes time.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You can really tell from threads like this those who hate illegals; since this'll essentially cost almost no IL taxpayer money and zero federal tax dollars, the "costs" of illegals continues to be the conservative canard used to justify the xenophobia, with threads like this further confirming this reality. It's sad, but oh well, progress takes time.

Um. It's the principle of offering any kind of reward to illegal immigrants. Come here. Have baby. Get them scholarships.

I'd rather they think that if they come here, have baby, they might get their kids taken away and sent back to mexico and told. "want to see your kids again, go home".

 

[First]

Um. It's the principle of offering any kind of reward to illegal immigrants. Come here. Have baby. Get them scholarships.

Even if true, what part of having a child born and raised in the U.S. offends you?

I'd rather they think that if they come here, have baby, they might get their kids taken away and sent back to mexico and told. "want to see your kids again, go home".

Yeah except this is never going to happen because it's flatly stupid.

 

[Jaskalas]

Even if true, what part of having a child born and raised in the U.S. offends you?

The invasion of a foreign culture by the 10s of millions that is not assimilating and is instead large enough to establish its own majority control over localities north of the border.

The offense is that they are not of this country, and unless they assimilate they never will be.

 

[JockoJohnson]

You can really tell from threads like this those who hate illegals; since this'll essentially cost almost no IL taxpayer money and zero federal tax dollars, the "costs" of illegals continues to be the conservative canard used to justify the xenophobia, with threads like this further confirming this reality. It's sad, but oh well, progress takes time.

I don't get it. You and "your kind", whoever that may be, just seems to love the lawbreakers. I could care less if you are black, white, brown, yellow, green or blue, come here legally and you are fine by me and probably most others. It is only those who come illegally that I have a problem with. If the US adopted Mexico as the 51st, I would be fine with that. But it is this catering to the illegals that I just don't like.

If the country did it's best to police the borders and yet there were still people here and we couldn't get them back to their own country, then it might not be so bad to create programs for them. But right now, we are inviting everyone here illegally and pandering to them. Enough is enough. Yes, admittedly this program will cost little to the taxpayer. What about the next program? and the next, and so on....it all adds up over time.

And I don't get it---why would you love illegals? What progress are you talking about? Just allowing everyone to come here in an uncontrolled fashion so we can just further erode our systems?

 

[nick1985]

LOL, the "x" word makes its "first" appearence.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Even if true, what part of having a child born and raised in the U.S. offends you?

Never heard of anchor babies? Are you intentionally being thick or honestly don't know about taking advantage of the system?

 

[Zargon]

You can really tell from threads like this those who hate illegals; since this'll essentially cost almost no IL taxpayer money and zero federal tax dollars, the "costs" of illegals continues to be the conservative canard used to justify the xenophobia, with threads like this further confirming this reality. It's sad, but oh well, progress takes time.

except that the state universities bleed red ink too, and are heavily subsidized by taxpayers per student that goes there, so there goes that theory

This isn't true for IL public universities though. Several have seen enrollment drop like crazy in recent years.

yes, because all their budgets got cut because we are broke, so they are all raising tuition. in the 6 years since I finsihed up, tuition at my alma mater has doubled, and it also doubled while I was there.

thats why attendence is down. U of I's hasnt gone up, but they were setting records for enrollment already, so it had to stop sometime

 

[rudder]

You can really tell from threads like this those who hate illegals; since this'll essentially cost almost no IL taxpayer money and zero federal tax dollars, the "costs" of illegals continues to be the conservative canard used to justify the xenophobia, with threads like this further confirming this reality. It's sad, but oh well, progress takes time.

Meanwhile all the unemployed citizens (who had their wages suppressed so much by illegal labor and can no longer compete in the job market) will no longer be able to afford to send their children to college.

 

[First]

I don't get it. You and "your kind", whoever that may be, just seems to love the lawbreakers. I could care less if you are black, white, brown, yellow, green or blue, come here legally and you are fine by me and probably most others. It is only those who come illegally that I have a problem with. If the US adopted Mexico as the 51st, I would be fine with that. But it is this catering to the illegals that I just don't like.

If the country did it's best to police the borders and yet there were still people here and we couldn't get them back to their own country, then it might not be so bad to create programs for them. But right now, we are inviting everyone here illegally and pandering to them. Enough is enough. Yes, admittedly this program will cost little to the taxpayer. What about the next program? and the next, and so on....it all adds up over time.

And I don't get it---why would you love illegals? What progress are you talking about? Just allowing everyone to come here in an uncontrolled fashion so we can just further erode our systems?

The notion that illegals "erode" the system (by which I assume you mean financially) has been easily debunked time and again. Here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2180807

Never heard of anchor babies? Are you intentionally being thick or honestly don't know about taking advantage of the system?

And anchor babies are offensive to you how, what do they take advantage of when they're constitutionally given said right to be American citizens?

 

[First]

The invasion of a foreign culture by the 10s of millions that is not assimilating and is instead large enough to establish its own majority control over localities north of the border.

The offense is that they are not of this country, and unless they assimilate they never will be.

Except your subjective and, based on your posts, no doubt warped view of what it means to be an assimilated American isn't particularly relevant. Assimilation is by no means cut and dry and, frankly, there are so many red-blooded Americans that are hostile toward the American gov't, American way of life and fellow American citizens that any debate over a perceived lack of foreign assimilation is pure nonsense. When you actually sit down and ponder why you're scared of foreigners having babies, you'll realize you're just being a bit xenophobic.

except that the state universities bleed red ink too, and are heavily subsidized by taxpayers per student that goes there, so there goes that theory

State universities aren't spending money on illegals in this program, their tuition is paid for by private donations. Read article.

Meanwhile all the unemployed citizens (who had their wages suppressed so much by illegal labor and can no longer compete in the job market) will no longer be able to afford to send their children to college.

Wages haven't flattened due to illegal labor, that's another conservative canard, easily debunkable.

 

[shortylickens]

So want to go on an angry rant about illegals and the spoiled cheap white Americans who profit from them.......

Oh wait, just did.

YAAAYYY!!!
:awe:

 

[momeNt]

Is it possible that while this program is completely privately funded, the unintended consequences of such a program attracting alien minors, and their illegal alien parents possibly would be that other social services in Illinois that are NOT privately funded may be stuck paying the bill for an increased amount of illegal aliens that do not contribute tax money to the society that they draw benefits from?

 

[chucky2]

Given the large long term problems of resource (many types) consumption and sprawl due to population growth, what total F'ing idiot would be for more people entering the US??? We've got more than enough now, and will have too many in the future (unless one likes to live jammed in with 2-3x the population density now (no one in their right mind would ever sign up for that). So, letting more in by the 10's of Millions, and then those same Millions having children at greater than 2 kids per family (regardless if they're US citizens, they wouldn't be here to cause the above problems had their parents not illegally came and/or remained here to have them), helps the US long term how exactly?

In short: What short sighted dumbf*ck would actually want to encourage large amounts of immigrants to come here in this day and age, rather than have those people remain in the countries they're in, and remain those countries problem, and not ours?

Chuck

 

[woolfe9999]

Is it possible that while this program is completely privately funded, the unintended consequences of such a program attracting alien minors, and their illegal alien parents possibly would be that other social services in Illinois that are NOT privately funded may be stuck paying the bill for an increased amount of illegal aliens that do not contribute tax money to the society that they draw benefits from?

That's possible but it's doubtful the effect would be more than negligible. The immigrants (legal or illegal) can't just migrate to Illinois then get a scholarship for their kids. They have to have lived in Illinois for three years to qualify. Given that people tend to migrate based on availability of jobs more than anything else, I don't think that many illegals are going to migrate to Illinois then live there for 3 years just to get their kid a scholarship. Since it's a long term commitment, other factors, especially employment, are likely to control where they choose to live.

 

[chucky2]

How would one prove a kid of an illegal had been here for 3 years, or not?

 

[woolfe9999]

How would one prove a kid of an illegal had been here for 3 years, or not?

How does anyone establish proof of residency? Even if you are a citizen and have a DL, for example, you might not have changed your address until some time after you move.

I assume if you are renting, you list your landlord as a reference on the application. If you happen to own (not likely for an illegal), then your name is on a deed.

In the case of someone applying for a scholarship, there may also be a record of them attending a high school in state.

 

[Zargon]

State universities aren't spending money on illegals in this program, their tuition is paid for by private donations. Read article.

I did read it, you missed my point.

news flash: state universitys run a deficit, their TUITION FEES dont cover the cost of education, there by implying that in fact the state taxes that fund them are used to educate a student even if they are receiving full in state tuition..

UIUC has something close to 35% of its student pop from out of state or out of country(something else I dont agree with based on the fact that my taxes pay for students no matter what) who pay a MUCH higher tuition fee, and they still bleed us dry.

 

[chucky2]

How does anyone establish proof of residency? Even if you are a citizen and have a DL, for example, you might not have changed your address until some time after you move.

I assume if you are renting, you list your landlord as a reference on the application. If you happen to own (not likely for an illegal), then your name is on a deed.

In the case of someone applying for a scholarship, there may also be a record of them attending a high school in state.

Been a long time since I applied for college, don't remember. I just remember filling out the FAFSA form and somehow my parents had to claim me even though I was supporting myself and living seperate from them, and even if I wasn't, they "made too much money" for me to even get a subsidized loan (forget grant, too white, too "rich").

Presumably these kids have a SSN if they're US born (which they absolutely shouldn't get if both of their parents are illegal, but, that's another thread), which presumably should be tied to an address. So I'm assuming they're using that to apply. But is that enough, or, should they not be listing their parents?

If they're listing their parents, and one is here illegally, then with that data, would we not then be having Immigration showing up at that address and deporting that individual, given we now have that info from a credible source?

If they don't have to list their parents, then how do we even know someone using this is legit?

This seems like it's either setup for some great fraud or we're (yet again) F'ing idiots for not taking opportunities to deport illegals. And Rome burns.......

Chuck

 

[JockoJohnson]

The notion that illegals "erode" the system (by which I assume you mean financially) has been easily debunked time and again. Here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2180807



And anchor babies are offensive to you how, what do they take advantage of when they're constitutionally given said right to be American citizens?

Not the babies themselves but the illegal parents that use them to stay in this country. Why do you hate America? Do you still beat your wife? I can ask loaded questions too.

I followed the link. Clearly, you need illegals to pick your lettuce and mow your lawn. From your posts in this thread and the other, it can be seen that you love illegals. Perhaps you married one? Either way, you defend them to no end and anyone who disagrees with you is a xenophobe.