i was at gov ryan's speech here at northwestern univ school of law. bottom line is, a lot of work done by the center for wrongful convictions and law/medill students have shown how the death penalty has been a failure in the state of illinois in terms of wrongful implementation, regardless of one's moral stance on the death penalty in general.
I know a little bit about the failings of our system, but unlike yourself I'm not about to can the whole system.
In the past we actually had justice. Not perfect, but justice all the same. Today with all the damn Liberals and organisations like the ACLU and NAACP justcve has become subjective. Unless you are politically correct enough to warrant a free defense or stupid enough to trust a public defender, you are going to get convicted. Our system has been subjected to every Liberal whim to come along and has done not a thing but complicated the judicial process. Right and wrong has become subjective. The system is indeed corrupt, but until the law means what was intended, and not the Liberal interpretation of same, our system will remain broken.
Criminals all over the Nation are laughing.....and taking notes!
Wow, this is awesome.
I'm glad that guy that raped and murdered several young girls just for pure pleasure gets to sit in an air-conditioned cell, watching cable tv, eating 3 meals daily, and sleep all the time for the rest of his life instead of being put to death.
I hope all kiddie rapists/murderers in the entire United States get thier sentences commuted. Really, those people deserve to live out thier lives in peace.
They don't deserve to die just because they kept a 3 year old in thier basement to torture with a branding iron, a pellet gun, and a demented sex drive.
Hurrah for Gov Ryan!
I'm glad that guy that raped and murdered several young girls just for pure pleasure gets to sit in an air-conditioned cell, watching cable tv, eating 3 meals daily, and sleep all the time for the rest of his life instead of being put to death.
I hope all kiddie rapists/murderers in the entire United States get thier sentences commuted. Really, those people deserve to live out thier lives in peace.
They don't deserve to die just because they kept a 3 year old in thier basement to torture with a branding iron, a pellet gun, and a demented sex drive.
Hurrah for Gov Ryan!
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The justice system isn't about appeasing victims but serving justice, which has shown that its perilously flawed by sentencing many innocent people to death.
Victims and their families are also hurt when innocent people are released as well, but that comes with experiencing a tragedy, however its justice that is more important. And these people are still serving life in prison! although life in prison isn't deserving for any innocent people either.
i agree with the whole executing innocent people argument, but i don't think a blanket commutation like this is the answer.
the fact that it comes 2 days until he leaves office makes it appear to be a political statement more than anything else.
i sympathize for the friends and relatives of the victims who have gone through so much and now have to deal with this.
the fact that it comes 2 days until he leaves office makes it appear to be a political statement more than anything else.
i sympathize for the friends and relatives of the victims who have gone through so much and now have to deal with this.
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And they don't get to kill those four guilty people either.
ZV
EDIT: And before I hear all those BS arguments about how the system doesn't work because and incredibly small minority of people end up found innocent on appeal, that's what appeals are for. The people who are later found innocent are PROOF THE SYSTEM WORKS! We aren't killing innocents, we're killing people who have had trial after trial after trail after trial and who have been shown guilty each time.
This is a shameful act.
I can't believe there are actually liberal schmucks on this board that are praising this guy for doing this.
All you bleeding hearts would feel much differently about this if it were a member of your family that was brutally killed by one of these murderers.
I can't believe there are actually liberal schmucks on this board that are praising this guy for doing this.
All you bleeding hearts would feel much differently about this if it were a member of your family that was brutally killed by one of these murderers.
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"Liberals" aren't responsible for sentencing innocent people to death, but if the definition of a Liberal to you is someone thats concerned about killing innocent people, I'd be proud to be one.Originally posted by: Tominator
I know a little bit about the failings of our system, but unlike yourself I'm not about to can the whole system. In the past we actually had justice. Not perfect, but justice all the same. Today with all the damn Liberals and organisations like the ACLU and NAACP justcve has become subjective. Unless you are politically correct enough to warrant a free defense or stupid enough to trust a public defender, you are going to get convicted. Our system has been subjected to every Liberal whim to come along and has done not a thing but complicated the judicial process. Right and wrong has become subjective. The system is indeed corrupt, but until the law means what was intended, and not the Liberal interpretation of same, our system will remain broken. Criminals all over the Nation are laughing.....and taking notes!
And no ones laughing and taking notes about how to get life in prison. If I'm ever guilty of a crime that qualifies for either, I'd rather have death.
Its hard to believe how political flaming conservatives are trying to make this. Its a conspiracy I'll tell you!!! Who's protecting innocent people - the damn liberals!
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He never said the Gov. wasn't a Republican (though good luck to Ryan in getting anything from the GOP ever again in his life). The quote was that the act was shameful, and that the people praising the act were "liberal schmucks", personally I'd have used stronger language. In conclusion, learn to read.
ZV
Originally posted by: Tominator
I know a little bit about the failings of our system, but unlike yourself I'm not about to can the whole system.
In the past we actually had justice. Not perfect, but justice all the same. Today with all the damn Liberals and organisations like the ACLU and NAACP justcve has become subjective. Unless you are politically correct enough to warrant a free defense or stupid enough to trust a public defender, you are going to get convicted. Our system has been subjected to every Liberal whim to come along and has done not a thing but complicated the judicial process. Right and wrong has become subjective. The system is indeed corrupt, but until the law means what was intended, and not the Liberal interpretation of same, our system will remain broken.
Criminals all over the Nation are laughing.....and taking notes!
Yes, the days before the ACLU and the NAACP where you could kill a negro for looking at you funny were times of justice.
You should can the whole system. one of the reasons why there is the death penalty is a deturent. but the problem with that is that when someone kills someone they dont value life like the rest of society.
what needs to happen is to develop something new ( and no i dont think water torture is the right thing to do ) to reintergrate the murderer back into society and get them to be productive member of the community.
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Go to death row and ask those guys if they're innocent or not..........they're all innocent.
Yeah, and I guess the DNA evidence is also lying.
This is one of the stupidest things to ever happen in judicial court cases.
okay, i promised last time was the last time i would ever do this.
I want to limit the appeals process to 2 appeals, and a time limit of 30 years to enact them. the long time limit is to wait for irrefutable proof of your innocence to show up. the limit on appeals is to make sure that they cant just tie up the court system just to keep themselves in judicial limbo. After the unsuccessful completion of their second appeal, then they will have to finish their sentence at the earliest possible oppertunity. Also, they have the oppertunity to forgoe their appeals process and just get it over with.
I also propose that we use hard labor prisons. do away with these lazy inmates. take away internet access, and stop giving them variety in meals. they should be forced to eat some stew, at every meal, every day.
Life in our prisons is far too easy. Some of those convicts live better in cushier surroundings than i do.
So, in short, cut down the cost of executions, cut down the length of the appeals process, cut down the number of appeals, cut down the nice surroundings ngiven to them, and we have a far more efficient system. meaning, cut down on the # of people on death row. if people know trhat if trhey go on death row to actually die, than maybe less people will do crimes to go onto death row. if not, then at least those on death row wont go back onto the streets, and fall back in to their former activities.
okay, i promised last time was the last time i would ever do this.
I want to limit the appeals process to 2 appeals, and a time limit of 30 years to enact them. the long time limit is to wait for irrefutable proof of your innocence to show up. the limit on appeals is to make sure that they cant just tie up the court system just to keep themselves in judicial limbo. After the unsuccessful completion of their second appeal, then they will have to finish their sentence at the earliest possible oppertunity. Also, they have the oppertunity to forgoe their appeals process and just get it over with.
I also propose that we use hard labor prisons. do away with these lazy inmates. take away internet access, and stop giving them variety in meals. they should be forced to eat some stew, at every meal, every day.
Life in our prisons is far too easy. Some of those convicts live better in cushier surroundings than i do.
So, in short, cut down the cost of executions, cut down the length of the appeals process, cut down the number of appeals, cut down the nice surroundings ngiven to them, and we have a far more efficient system. meaning, cut down on the # of people on death row. if people know trhat if trhey go on death row to actually die, than maybe less people will do crimes to go onto death row. if not, then at least those on death row wont go back onto the streets, and fall back in to their former activities.
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court said no to forced labor. Or should we just let someone like Ashcroft wipe his ass with the Constitution.
Or, ve kould put ze prizoners in ze internment kamp and preform ze medical exeriments on zem. Is good heir?
Exactly.
Anyone who is for capital punishment answer me this.
Tell me what would YOU prefer, as a punishment.
Death, or 40 years in prison. Personally, I'd rather be KILLED than serve 40 years.
What life do you have after 40 years of prison, anyway?
To a murderer, s/he'd consider capital punishment a quick way out of misery.
I'm glad they got rid of it.
Originally posted by: BDawg
Someone's been watching Demolition Man.
lol i have seen it twice but i had that thought before the moive.
Anyways, I think death sentence is stupid. Send these guys to clean up radiation or toxic waste, or go into Uranium mines and die of radiation poisoning or something.
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