Illinois cop caught sleeping in car claims it's illegal to record cops

BurnItDwn

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The bad apples dont like being caught.

it sucks that they make the whole tree look bad.
 

Genx87

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In Illinois afaik it is illegal to record a cop. But push a prosecutor to go ahead with a trial and see what happens. They know it will be tossed out on 1st amendment rights. Instead they use the current law as a way to harass citizens and make them fear doing something that is actually legal. Most will plea out and many will pass the word along to not video record the police.
 

rudeguy

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In Illinois afaik it is illegal to record a cop. But push a prosecutor to go ahead with a trial and see what happens. They know it will be tossed out on 1st amendment rights. Instead they use the current law as a way to harass citizens and make them fear doing something that is actually legal. Most will plea out and many will pass the word along to not video record the police.

Please quote the law or statute that makes it illegal.
 

Ackmed

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Cliffs: Poster continues to troll with an ignorant ending line after ever post.

The percentage of Officers that do wrong, is so low it's laughable. Try actually looking at numbers. But keep on trying to further your agenda. Just makes you look pathetic.
 

BurnItDwn

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Perhaps he is the good cop and all the rest are bad? Perhaps all the cops should just start napping on the job. Can't get in much trouble that way.

Good cops help people who are stranded or desperate. They talk people out of suicide, they risk their own safety to protect the security of others. There are many great police officers. You dont hear about them since they are "just" doing their jobs, and that is what is expected of them.
 

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The bill is back, and with a vengeance.
The Amendment to Senate Bill 1342 was introduced on Tuesday, Dec. 2, as an amendment to an existing bill on a completely different subject. The amendment removed all of the bill’s previous content and replaced it with the new ban on recording. The House passed it the following day, and the Senate passed it the day after that.

This bill passed both the Illinois House and Senate with overwhelming majority votes; 106-7 in the House on and 46-4-1 in the Senate. Democrats and Republicans alike slipped this bill by the citizens as they were debating on whether the General Assembly would raise the state’s minimum wage or make the 67% temporary income tax hike permanent, neither of which passed.

According to IllinoisPolicy.org, the bill discourages people from recording conversations with police by making unlawfully recording a conversation with police – or an attorney general, assistant attorney general, state’s attorney, assistant state’s attorney or judge – a class 3 felony, which carries a sentence of two to four years in prison. Meanwhile, the bill makes illegal recording of a private citizen a class 4 felony, which carries a lower sentencing range of one to three years in prison.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/illinois-felony-citizens-record-police-media-silent/

My only comment on this is holy frack look at the roll call! They're all in on it. That state is totally gone.
 

Mai72

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Holy shit balls.

So the state passes an illegal law, the courts tell them its illegal, the cops continue to enforce the illegal law, then the state adds the law into another bill.

That is a messed up state.

We allow it to happen because we've gotten complacent.

Are you ready to jeopardize your life, career, and family to do what's right? Most Americans aren't ready to lose what they've worked so hard to achieve.

The guy who recorded the officer should have known of the possible repercussions. I'm not saying what he's currently going thru is right. It's not, but this is the reality. Until more people take action and speak up this stuff will go on.
 

Darwin333

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The bad apples dont like being caught.

it sucks that they make the whole tree look bad.

When the tree protects said bad apples, or refuses to police themselves when they see them commit crimes, the tree makes its damn self look bad.
 

BurnItDwn

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When the tree protects said bad apples, or refuses to police themselves when they see them commit crimes, the tree makes its damn self look bad.

Well, in this cast, it appears to be the politicians, the police force is one tree, but, the politicians, they can be seen as all the shit that you spread around the field ... they fertilize the whole orchard.

In this case, the orchard is being poisoned with such bad shit.
 

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I'm not sure what's worse, the cop trying to wiggle out of a policy violation on a technicality or a citizen making a big stink about something so trivial as a cop getting a few ZZZs.
 

Blanky

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Vertical video. Hope he beat the shit out of the guy filming just on principle.
 

Brovane

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If one of us was sleeping like that in a car the cops would roll up and see what was going on. See if we were drunk and sleeping it out. I wonder if he left the engine running the entire time.
 

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Holy shit balls.

So the state passes an illegal law, the courts tell them its illegal, the cops continue to enforce the illegal law, then the state adds the law into another bill.

That is a messed up state.

It's IL what do you expect? last few governors have ended up in jail.

it is NOW against the law to tape a cop in public. fucking amazing.
 

rudeguy

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We allow it to happen because we've gotten complacent.

Are you ready to jeopardize your life, career, and family to do what's right? Most Americans aren't ready to lose what they've worked so hard to achieve.

The guy who recorded the officer should have known of the possible repercussions. I'm not saying what he's currently going thru is right. It's not, but this is the reality. Until more people take action and speak up this stuff will go on.

Yep. No risk, no reward.

I'm not afraid of jail or a beat down. I've been through both before.
 

Pipeline 1010

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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/illinois-felony-citizens-record-police-media-silent/

My only comment on this is holy frack look at the roll call! They're all in on it. That state is totally gone.

I'm pretty sure the definition of "illegally recording" is strictly applied to surreptitious recording; that is, recording in secret. So this law basically made secret recording a felony instead of whatever it was before. It will definitely be struck down, especially in cases where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. But I don't think it's quite as bad as some people are thinking it is. It's most likely meant to scare people out of recording, not to actually make recording illegal. If people don't record because they are scared, it is considered a win.
 

Pipeline 1010

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I'm not sure what's worse, the cop trying to wiggle out of a policy violation on a technicality or a citizen making a big stink about something so trivial as a cop getting a few ZZZs.

Sleeping on the job will get you FIRED from most jobs. I'm not sure why you consider it trivial just because the guy sleeping on the job has a badge. I could understand a cop thinking it's trivial...they don't seem to want to be held accountable for anything at all.

And it's not a few Zs. It was 3 hours. Don't minimize it please.
 

Pipeline 1010

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The percentage of Officers that do wrong, is so low it's laughable. Try actually looking at numbers.

That's because the people who get to determine if an officer did wrong are that officer's brothers in blue, drinking buddies, and best friends.

We're talking officers who do moral wrong, not officers who have been found by their friends to have violated official policy, or officers who have been tried and convicted by their DA partners and sympathetic juries.
 

Nebor

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I'm not sure what's worse, the cop trying to wiggle out of a policy violation on a technicality or a citizen making a big stink about something so trivial as a cop getting a few ZZZs.

That's ridiculous. They are literally incapable of doing any part of their job while they're ASLEEP. I know plenty of cops that "patrol" around stores with known good wi-fi so that they can watch Netflix, Hulu, etc. in their cars. And while that's still pretty shitty, they could conceivably still spot and deter crimes and respond to calls.

I don't see how you can defend someone sleeping on the job. The real kicker would be if he was so tired because he was on overtime, working 15 hour days to keep crime down in the city.