Illinois cop caught sleeping in car claims it's illegal to record cops

[Mai72]

I'm not sure what's worse, the cop trying to wiggle out of a policy violation on a technicality or a citizen making a big stink about something so trivial as a cop getting a few ZZZs.

Are you serious? You try falling asleep at your job and let me know what's happens to you. Would you feel the same way if an educator was caught sleeping in the classroom?

People should be pissed and the cop should be disciplined. No discipline means this police officer will do it again. That's bullshit. You should take pride in what you do, and obviously this cop doesn't have any pride left.

 

[Mai72]

Holy shit balls.

So the state passes an illegal law, the courts tell them its illegal, the cops continue to enforce the illegal law, then the state adds the law into another bill.

That is a messed up state.

What's not to say other states don't follow suit.

 

[rudeguy]

What's not to say other states don't follow suit.

Well the US District and Supreme courts.

It's already been ruled in federal court that citizens have the right to record police in public. IL just doesn't seem to care.

 

[Darwin333]

Cliffs: Poster continues to troll with an ignorant ending line after ever post.

The percentage of Officers that do wrong, is so low it's laughable. Try actually looking at numbers. But keep on trying to further your agenda. Just makes you look pathetic.

If it is so low then why are so many cops arresting people for filming them? Why do cops cover up other cops crimes? Why is there such a thing as the "blue line", you know that thing that protects bad cops? A good cop would want to get rid of the bad cops, instead if a good cop rats out a bad cop the rest of the "good" cops make sure the "rat" just committed career suicide.

 

[Mai72]

If it is so low then why are so many cops arresting people for filming them? Why do cops cover up other cops crimes? Why is there such a thing as the "blue line", you know that thing that protects bad cops? A good cop would want to get rid of the bad cops, instead if a good cop rats out a bad cop the rest of the "good" cops make sure the "rat" just committed career suicide.

You ever watch Serpico? It's a 70s movie that stared Al Pacino. A true story about a good NY cop who turned in his cop buddies because they were corrupt. In the end the bad cops try to kill him. Great Movie! :thumbsup:

 

[Darwin333]

I'm pretty sure the definition of "illegally recording" is strictly applied to surreptitious recording; that is, recording in secret. So this law basically made secret recording a felony instead of whatever it was before. It will definitely be struck down, especially in cases where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. But I don't think it's quite as bad as some people are thinking it is. It's most likely meant to scare people out of recording, not to actually make recording illegal. If people don't record because they are scared, it is considered a win.

Watch some of the videos, it made recording a cop without his consent, against the law. So if a cop is in public where courts have ruled you have no expectation of privacy and he is on duty and he pulls you over AND he is video and audio recording YOU, you must obtain his consent to record him.

Let that seep in for a bit, the assholes tried to make it illegal to record the exact same thing the cops were recording during your encounter with them. Funny how many cops accused of doing something wrong forgot to turn on their cameras or the footage magically disappeared. The only reason for such a law is to protect law breaking by people employed by the tax payers. If no law breaking takes place, the video would prove that.

 

[rudeguy]

If it is so low then why are so many cops arresting people for filming them? Why do cops cover up other cops crimes? Why is there such a thing as the "blue line", you know that thing that protects bad cops? A good cop would want to get rid of the bad cops, instead if a good cop rats out a bad cop the rest of the "good" cops make sure the "rat" just committed career suicide.

I put in a camera at my job, I made a big deal of it. It's not uncommon for stuff to go missing and I wanted proof that I did everything right. I'm on camera every second I'm working and it makes me happy. I have nothing to hide.

Though I doubt anyone has ever actually watched any of the video. ...

 

[Darwin333]

You ever watch Serpico? It's a 70s movie that stared Al Pacino. A true story about a good NY cop who turned in his cop buddies because they were corrupt. In the end the bad cops try to kill him. Great Movie! :thumbsup:

Thanks bud, haven't seen it but I will definitely check it out.

 

[Darwin333]

I put in a camera at my job, I made a big deal of it. It's not uncommon for stuff to go missing and I wanted proof that I did everything right. I'm on camera every second I'm working and it makes me happy. I have nothing to hide.

Though I doubt anyone has ever actually watched any of the video. ...

Exactly my point, same thing as body cams for the police. No one is going to watch every second of their day because no one has that kind of time on their hands. If a complaint is made though, the evidence is there. Just like in your case, if something comes up missing you'll watch the video, otherwise it just gets archived.

There is absolutely no expectation of privacy in public. What's worse is that this law extends on to private property so while they can record you if they are in your house you would be facing felony charges equivalent to fucking rape for recording them. I'm dead serious, one poor sap was facing 75 years on 5 charges of recording the police. He could have raped 5 (or 50 since that was effectively a life sentence given the guys age) women and faced the same time. They even had the balls to appeal the case when a judge tossed the charges!

 

[Nebor]

I put in a camera at my job, I made a big deal of it. It's not uncommon for stuff to go missing and I wanted proof that I did everything right. I'm on camera every second I'm working and it makes me happy. I have nothing to hide.

Though I doubt anyone has ever actually watched any of the video. ...

I'm working up to stealing your camera.

 

[rudeguy]

Exactly my point, same thing as body cams for the police. No one is going to watch every second of their day because no one has that kind of time on their hands. If a complaint is made though, the evidence is there. Just like in your case, if something comes up missing you'll watch the video, otherwise it just gets archived.

There is absolutely no expectation of privacy in public. What's worse is that this law extends on to private property so while they can record you if they are in your house you would be facing felony charges equivalent to fucking rape for recording them. I'm dead serious, one poor sap was facing 75 years on 5 charges of recording the police. He could have raped 5 (or 50 since that was effectively a life sentence given the guys age) women and faced the same time. They even had the balls to appeal the case when a judge tossed the charges!

I think I saw something on that case. So much stupidity.

I'm glad and grateful that I live in a free state. Our Cops don't do stupid things like that and our county prosecutor has no tolerance for made up cases.

My city just dropped $700k on body cams even though there are never any brutality claims. After Ferguson they wanted to make sure they were doing everything possible to make sure nothing ever does happen.

And you are correct. My video gets archived and then deleted way down the road. I like having my ass covered just in case. The only way I even know it works is the IT Director caught me killing the coffee and not making more :awe:

 

[Darwin333]

I think I saw something on that case. So much stupidity.

I'm glad and grateful that I live in a free state. Our Cops don't do stupid things like that and our county prosecutor has no tolerance for made up cases.

My city just dropped $700k on body cams even though there are never any brutality claims. After Ferguson they wanted to make sure they were doing everything possible to make sure nothing ever does happen.

And you are correct. My video gets archived and then deleted way down the road. I like having my ass covered just in case.

That's awesome. I'm not sure what their budget is but it seems like a relatively small investment to save against potential lawsuits in the future, not to mention holding public workers who can quite literally destroy lives, accountable.

The only way I even know it works is the IT Director caught me killing the coffee and not making more :awe:

That's punishable by keelhauling or flaying (dealers choice) in my office.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm working up to stealing your camera.

I actually had some dumbass do exactly that at my office. I mean all that video must be stored in that itty bitty camera and can't possibly be stored somewhere else, maybe sent via those coax cables coming out of the ass end of said camera?

The best part was showing him the video with his face quite literally in full damn view as he unscrewed it and then figured out which way the coax connectors turned to finally steal the camera (easy 5 minutes), watching his face and then hearing him admit to stealing the camera (felony) but NOT the $90 tool (misdemeanor) he was really after.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Cliffs: Poster continues to troll with an ignorant ending line after ever post.

The percentage of Officers that do wrong, is so low it's laughable. Try actually looking at numbers. But keep on trying to further your agenda. Just makes you look pathetic.

actually every time you side with the Police you are trolling with an ignorant ending!
If it was such a tiny minute problem why is it a major problem across the USA??

 

[mizzou]

The goatee, lack of professionalism, and lack of legal knowledge is frustrating to watch. What's the salary pay there?

 

[Subyman]

Are you serious? You try falling asleep at your job and let me know what's happens to you. Would you feel the same way if an educator was caught sleeping in the classroom?

People should be pissed and the cop should be disciplined. No discipline means this police officer will do it again. That's bullshit. You should take pride in what you do, and obviously this cop doesn't have any pride left.

Nothing is worse than a concerned citizen without a cause.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Are you serious? You try falling asleep at your job and let me know what's happens to you.

Imagine for one moment that Subyman is a cop. Just pretend. What might his response to your comment look like? Might the response be something condescending and dismissive like the following?

Nothing is worse than a concerned citizen without a cause.

 

[Subyman]

Imagine for one moment that Subyman is a cop. Just pretend. What might his response to your comment look like? Might the response be something condescending and dismissive like the following?

Nah, police can't come up with those great one-liners. They just pull a gun and shoot, right?

 

[PokerGuy]

IL is such an amazing mess of authoritarianism. Just like the law that just went into effect that forces students / parents to hand over passwords to all social media accounts to the school if they want it or face criminal charges. Absolutely amazing.

Their answer to people winning suits against the police because of video evidence is to just ban videotaping. Sigh.

 

[Subyman]

IL is such an amazing mess of authoritarianism. Just like the law that just went into effect that forces students / parents to hand over passwords to all social media accounts to the school if they want it or face criminal charges. Absolutely amazing.

Their answer to people winning suits against the police because of video evidence is to just ban videotaping. Sigh.

I saw that password law a few days ago. It will never stand. I guess the school needs a key to your house as well?

 

[mizzou]

ah, I wonder if this is what he thought?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10/illinois-eavesdropping-law_n_6303454.html

 

[PokerGuy]

I saw that password law a few days ago. It will never stand. I guess the school needs a key to your house as well?

I thought the same thing, but for now, it's on the books. So if you're a student (or parent of a student) and the school says "hand over your passwords, all of them, so we can look at all your stuff" , you'd have to comply and hand everything over, or refuse and face criminal charges and certain financial ruin even if you eventually win the case and the law gets tossed.

Typical IL authoritarianism.

 

[smackababy]

So, is claiming something is illegal when it really is not what makes a person bad now? Guess what? It is illegal for rg to post threads!

 

[Darwin333]

IL is such an amazing mess of authoritarianism. Just like the law that just went into effect that forces students / parents to hand over passwords to all social media accounts to the school if they want it or face criminal charges. Absolutely amazing.

Wait, are you serious??? They passed a law forcing people to hand over passwords??? WTF?

 

[Subyman]

I thought the same thing, but for now, it's on the books. So if you're a student (or parent of a student) and the school says "hand over your passwords, all of them, so we can look at all your stuff" , you'd have to comply and hand everything over, or refuse and face criminal charges and certain financial ruin even if you eventually win the case and the law gets tossed.

Typical IL authoritarianism.

I pulled up the law, it seems the headlines may be going a bit far. I couldn't find anything about forcing students to turn over their passwords in the law:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/98/PDF/098-0801.pdf

All it does, from what I could see, is extend the bullying laws to include "cyber-bulling" both on and off school campus.