Starbuck1975
Lifer
- Jan 6, 2005
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Yet the utopian world you suggest would eventually revert to chaos...either that, or a survival of the fittest natural hierarchy.
The era we are living in is the age of victimization. Any group or individual who doesn't get treated like royalty is eligible for victim status.
Sometimes I wonder about Thomas Jefferson putting forth the idea that all men are created equal. Look what America has turned into.
Sometimes I wonder about Thomas Jefferson putting forth the idea that all men are created equal. Look what America has turned into.
Nice reply.
I can see where you are coming from and agree that within the confines of our current concepts of property and right and wrong how it would lead to just what you are supposing.
I do think that we could still bond into groups but that what really needs to change is the mindset up owning property.
We have always had wars because groups have always needed something that another group has had. Whether that be food, shelter, resources, etc, it doesn't really matter. What I will never see in my lifetime or through my children's eyes in their lifetime however, is the concept of equality and sharing so that we don't have people spending $5000 on an Evian bath while others while others are so poor that they are being exploited by others to exploit even more to donate money to some phony charity to help them out.
I guess I am thinking that communism and socialism mixed would create a wonderful world to live in if only it didn't require man to administer it. Because, as you and I and everyone over the age of puberty knows, we are a inherently corrupt and selfish breed. We cannot trust others to be caretakers of this Utopia because it would eventually end up with them taking care of themselves first.
Disclaimer #2: I am not calling for the past incarnations of communism or socialism. They were/are products of our current mindset that I am referring to above. Save the "pinko" remarks and respond accordingly as CommonCourtesy did above.
I'm trying to compare the American idea of equality to the reality that there is class distinction, (discrimination), everywhere in society.
The more illegals there are the more school taxes on legal americans.
The citizens of Irving should be thrilled their invaders that caused their taxes to go through the roof are being tossed out.
Next year the school taxes better go back down.
Nope. Just not under the restraints of group think. You should try it sometime, you might actually like it.
I live in the agony of my thoughts. Knowing that others are being repressed because they are unable to think for themselves and that I will be ridiculed for attempting to help them see that there are alternatives and I am not as willing as I would like to be about sacrificing my current "security" for their freedom.
Except, your argument falls apart because the legally elected government of Iraq and Afghanistan officially wants the US there. If officially elected Iraqi government publically told us to leave, we would be out of there pronto.
Since that hasn't happened, this argument you have holds no water.
Chuck
Of course. One of the manifestations of the universality of self hate is identification, the surrender of ones true self and real identity over to some group that has a claim of worth so that one can acquire that worth vicariously. And in order for your group to be of value there have to be other groups that are comparatively less valuable.
So I should work hard through grade school, high school, college, then at my job for the next 35+ years...all the while some loser is a slacker and you expect me to help him.
You must be out of your F'ing mind.
I already give to non-profit groups that help the poor, plus I donate small parts of my own limited free time to helping the less fortunate where I can.
Perhaps if millions of people here illegally would not be here, all these jobs that need doing could be filled by the so many poor people we have in this country.
How about this:
1.) Kick all the illegals out and put them at the back of the wait list to get in legally.
2.) Kick all able bodied people off welfare and provide them the same jobs we just freed up by kicking the illegals out.
3.) When the now illegals come in legally, they can have whatever jobs are still open.
4.) Mexico can sh1t for itself instead of US(A) having to prop it up by employing huge portions of its population that are willing to work.
Chuck
Once again, you think that because our ancestors VIOLENTLY STOLE THIS PROPERTY it means that we are entitled to it and everyone else has to have our permission to come here.
Since you are so big on border laws and rules, say I come over and forcibly kick you out of your house and then have my cousin move in. When you attempt to come back onto OUR PROPERTY, I will call the police and have you arrested for trespassing.
Once you are out, you can then ask if you are allowed to come over and mow the lawn once in a while.
But don't expect to be paid for it. You can drop dead before I owe you anything for attempting to trespass on MY PROPERTY.
See how silly your argument sounds when you are the one being vilified?
Few years? How about a lifetime!
I'd like to open the invitation to a few future generations too!
This could be great!
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I believe that the United States obtained that section of the country legally from Mexico and Spain.
Your beef may be - did those countries have the authority to sell it?
And what gave Spain the "right of ownership"? When did the British Empire acquire the "right of ownership" of the east coast?
I'm not trying to imply that possession isn't 9/10 of the law, I'm trying to say stop being delusional and thinking that this country was magically "given" to us. We forcibly stole it or deceptively grabbed it from its original inhabitants. To think otherwise is being deceitful to the history of this nation and those that sacrificed everything to make it is today.
I am aware of the ways of the world and realize that might made right in previous generations. Times have changed and if some country tried to do what we did then today, we would be there attempting to stop them. Just as we did in GW1.
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