Illegals getting deported in Irving

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm trying to say stop being delusional and thinking that this country was magically "given" to us.

You're making excuses for crimes to be committed against us!

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
We cannot be truly free as a society or race (human kind not any "color spectrum" kind) until we admonish the concept of nations and borders. As long as we have them, we will have to have "leaders" to implement laws to "protect" them at our own expense.

Where do you live? I'd like to sleep on your couch and eat your food for the next few years.

I'll join in, and invite everyone off the street to do the same. See how he likes home invasion.

The mocking by the mentally inferior who are afraid to think in any way that isn't considered "normal" is strong in this thread.

Face it, you wish that you had the ability to not be mentally restrained by the guilt of societal castration. Every now and then you have a glimpse into your own consciousness and realize that there is something out there that you know is a better way.

It's ok. I was where you were and then I realized that the more that I repressed the thoughts of freedom for all men that even if I am economically or hierarchically inferior to a great deal of people, I would never be beholden to their control. Freedom of thought is the greatest freedom of them all. Sadly, yours seems to be deadening and others are willing to give theirs up completely because some government or religious leader tells them that is what they need to be safe or reach the same place that I already know.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm trying to say stop being delusional and thinking that this country was magically "given" to us.

You're making excuses for crimes to be committed against us!

Quite the contrary. I'm saying that the law shouldn't exist therefore negating that a crime ever took place.

See, this is what happens when those that can't think outside the societal box are confronted by those that do.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

See, this is the mindset of those that are unable to apply critical thinking skills to themselves.

You, being military, have bought into the story that there has to be an enemy so that you can justify your existence. This is simply not true. You can work towards making the planet a better place by helping to bring the inhabitants together instead of trying to tear them apart in some symbolic "us vs. them" antiquated thought process.

I am constantly amazed that "conservatives" and "liberals" alike claim to want government out of their business, their pockets and their lives and yet cannot see that their own philosophies on existence and what would be a great life are completely dependent on the opposite.

We cannot be truly free as a society or race (human kind not any "color spectrum" kind) until we admonish the concept of nations and borders. As long as we have them, we will have to have "leaders" to implement laws to "protect" them at our own expense.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating total chaos and/or anarchy. I believe that your rights are not greater than anyone else's rights and should not infringe on them (ie. no murder, theft, etc.)

Except, your argument falls apart because the legally elected government of Iraq and Afghanistan officially wants the US there. If officially elected Iraqi government publically told us to leave, we would be out of there pronto.

Since that hasn't happened, this argument you have holds no water.

Chuck

It might have fallen apart if it wasn't true. However, since you and the majority of Americans are uninformed about what actually happens beyond the White House press releases on Iraq, I'll help you out:

Source

On Tuesday, without note in the U.S. media, more than half of the members of Iraq's parliament rejected the continuing occupation of their country. 144 lawmakers signed onto a legislative petition calling on the United States to set a timetable for withdrawal, according to Nassar Al-Rubaie, a spokesman for the Al Sadr movement, the nationalist Shia group that sponsored the petition.

It's a hugely significant development. Lawmakers demanding an end to the occupation now have the upper hand in the Iraqi legislature for the first time; previous attempts at a similar resolution fell just short of the 138 votes needed to pass (there are 275 members of the Iraqi parliament, but many have fled the country's civil conflict, and at times it's been difficult to arrive at a quorum).

Here's more:

Iraqi politicians have passed a resolution requiring the government to seek parliamentary permission before asking the UN to extend the mandate for US-led forces in Iraq.

The measure was approved on Tuesday and reflects a growing disenchantment with the US-backed government.

The Sadrist-drafted resolution passed with a vote of 85 to 59.

The members of parliament voted along party lines, with Sunnis joining the bloc loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr, a Shia leader, and another Shia party at odds with the leadership.

Supporters of Nuri al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, opposed the resolution.

So, what time is the first flight from Baghdad?

The time when the Iraqi government officially asks the US to leave. All that article shows is that a large part of the Iraqi government wants the US to give them a timetable for withdrawl.

That's it.

They could have said, if they were that fed up with us, "USA, you will be out of our country 6 months from today."

Now, why didn't they do that?

Chuck

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Now you are at the crux of my argument (and my username even though most think that it is political).

Having been conditioned in this society's "normal" way of thinking, I am not capable of forming the solution. I am only able to identify the problem.

It is a fine line between just and unjust. As I stated earlier, a blend of communism and socialism would be ideal if man were not the overseer of the system. Maybe that is the reason for the belief in the different gods. You have a "neutral" party to decide those things and live in a world without borders and amongst all human kind.

When you actually break down the different afterlives, they all are describing what I am, unfortunately, you have to die first in their scenario.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm trying to say stop being delusional and thinking that this country was magically "given" to us.

You're making excuses for crimes to be committed against us!

Quite the contrary. I'm saying that the law shouldn't exist therefore negating that a crime ever took place.

See, this is what happens when those that can't think outside the societal box are confronted by those that do.

So it's alright if I take your home, so long as we remove the laws against it. You?re so brilliant it hurts.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Once again, you think that because our ancestors VIOLENTLY STOLE THIS PROPERTY it means that we are entitled to it and everyone else has to have our permission to come here.

.

No RightIsWrong, I think we're entitled to it because this is our country. Are you seriously fre@king debating whether the borders of the US are legal and are unaccepted by any relevant group???? Please, please tell us you're not saying that...

Since you are so big on border laws and rules, say I come over and forcibly kick you out of your house and then have my cousin move in. When you attempt to come back onto OUR PROPERTY, I will call the police and have you arrested for trespassing.

Once you are out, you can then ask if you are allowed to come over and mow the lawn once in a while.

First, that would not happen because of a beautiful law called the 2nd Ammendment. Even if by some chance you did do that, since we have laws in this country (you know, the one we're all in with borders?), the police would come and take you out at the property owners request. There would be no me asking you to leave, you would be removed. How fitting the example you give is an analogy to people in the US illegally, where we have laws against that, where the police are not doing their jobs and removing said people here illegally.

But don't expect to be paid for it. You can drop dead before I owe you anything for attempting to trespass on MY PROPERTY.

It sounds like you are talking about the Native Americans here in what is now (and has been for quite some time now) the US. If that's who you're talking about, then Yes, I agree, the "settlers" and the then US government screwed over the NA's by deceit and just plain unfair practices. I do believe however that the current NA's have a fairly sweet deal going on, although I admit an argument could be made for them having even more land than they do now...

See how silly your argument sounds when you are the one being vilified?

Uh, No....No I don't actually....

Chuck

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Exactly. Pro-Illegal likes to brag how superior they are because they disagree with laws on the book. Out-think our society, very impressive--and they ignore all the economic consequences of massive uninvited people crashing an already strain system from overcrowding schools to hospitals closure, drugs/woman prostitutes coming across the border. That is no problem at all to Pro-Illegals. They focus on sob stories, how great they are because they disagree with laws.

Try tell that to Judges in court when you got a speeding ticket "I am on the right because I think outside the law, speeding shouldn't be a crime!" and how fast your ass are being reaped in jail.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Now you are at the crux of my argument (and my username even though most think that it is political).

Having been conditioned in this society's "normal" way of thinking, I am not capable of forming the solution. I am only able to identify the problem.

It is a fine line between just and unjust. As I stated earlier, a blend of communism and socialism would be ideal if man were not the overseer of the system. Maybe that is the reason for the belief in the different gods. You have a "neutral" party to decide those things and live in a world without borders and amongst all human kind.

When you actually break down the different afterlives, they all are describing what I am, unfortunately, you have to die first in their scenario.

Careful...the fall from that horse is gonna hurt.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Now you are at the crux of my argument (and my username even though most think that it is political).

Having been conditioned in this society's "normal" way of thinking, I am not capable of forming the solution. I am only able to identify the problem.

It is a fine line between just and unjust. As I stated earlier, a blend of communism and socialism would be ideal if man were not the overseer of the system. Maybe that is the reason for the belief in the different gods. You have a "neutral" party to decide those things and live in a world without borders and amongst all human kind.

When you actually break down the different afterlives, they all are describing what I am, unfortunately, you have to die first in their scenario.

Well, when the all knowing and fair aliens and/or god(s) come down and start managing everything here on Earth RightIsWrong, we can nominate you as an ambassador to them, a translator if you will.

Until then, Please:
1.) Don't vote.
2.) Don't breed.
3.) Thank you.

Chuck

 

[imported_Shivetya]

BE AFRAID AND LEAVE.

Your parents are at fault, blame them

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Exactly. Pro-Illegal likes to brag how superior they are because they disagree with laws on the book. Out-think our society, very impressive--and they ignore all the economic consequences of massive uninvited people crashing an already strain system from overcrowding schools to hospitals closure, drugs/woman prostitutes coming across the border. That is no problem at all to Pro-Illegals. They focus on sob stories, how great they are because they disagree with laws.

Try tell that to Judges in court when you got a speeding ticket "I am on the right because I think outside the law, speeding shouldn't be a crime!" and how fast your ass are being reaped in jail.

Ouch, don't you know that calling someone "pro-(insert term that right wing thinks is derogatory)" hurts?

I have to give you some credit though, I haven't heard pro-illegals before. Did you come up with that yourself or was there a talking point memo that I missed? I did see all of them on your other arguments about the economic impact though.

You quite obviously haven't read a word of what I wrote prior to your quote or you are completely incapable of critical thinking skills or reading comprehension.

I have never claimed to be great. I do believe and have made the claim that I am not repressed in my thoughts though. A big difference if read literally as intended.

And you scenario is not only improbable (how many people have gone to any type of jail for speeding let alone one that is built in such a way to afford rape?) but completely void of the fact that I have respect for the rule of law even if I disagree with the law.

What I am attempting to do is to get you to do the same....think for yourself.

:beer: To you Common Courtesy for your ability to do just that.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Now you are at the crux of my argument (and my username even though most think that it is political).

Having been conditioned in this society's "normal" way of thinking, I am not capable of forming the solution. I am only able to identify the problem.

It is a fine line between just and unjust. As I stated earlier, a blend of communism and socialism would be ideal if man were not the overseer of the system. Maybe that is the reason for the belief in the different gods. You have a "neutral" party to decide those things and live in a world without borders and amongst all human kind.

When you actually break down the different afterlives, they all are describing what I am, unfortunately, you have to die first in their scenario.

Well, when the all knowing and fair aliens and/or god(s) come down and start managing everything here on Earth RightIsWrong, we can nominate you as an ambassador to them, a translator if you will.

Until then, Please:
1.) Don't vote.
2.) Don't breed.
3.) Thank you.

Chuck

Too late.

I think that I am more afraid of you than you should be of me. I am blessed with an IQ in the top 2% of the population as is my wife and all four of our children.

What I don't have and quite frankly wish that I had, is the ability to completely let other people think for me and just go through life believing that something is good or bad based on what someone else tells me.

I know that this is hard for you to grasp and might sound like an alien concept to you (pun intended), but trust me....being stupid makes life a lot easier than being gifted.

 

[BoberFett]

Wow, you and you rentire family are geniuses, and anyone who disagrees with you is "mentally inferior."

You just made it easy to ignore everything you say.

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Now you are at the crux of my argument (and my username even though most think that it is political).

Having been conditioned in this society's "normal" way of thinking, I am not capable of forming the solution. I am only able to identify the problem.

It is a fine line between just and unjust. As I stated earlier, a blend of communism and socialism would be ideal if man were not the overseer of the system. Maybe that is the reason for the belief in the different gods. You have a "neutral" party to decide those things and live in a world without borders and amongst all human kind.

When you actually break down the different afterlives, they all are describing what I am, unfortunately, you have to die first in their scenario.

Well, when the all knowing and fair aliens and/or god(s) come down and start managing everything here on Earth RightIsWrong, we can nominate you as an ambassador to them, a translator if you will.

Until then, Please:
1.) Don't vote.
2.) Don't breed.
3.) Thank you.

Chuck

Too late.

I think that I am more afraid of you than you should be of me. I am blessed with an IQ in the top 2% of the population as is my wife and all four of our children.

What I don't have and quite frankly wish that I had, is the ability to completely let other people think for me and just go through life believing that something is good or bad based on what someone else tells me.

I know that this is hard for you to grasp and might sound like an alien concept to you (pun intended), but trust me....being stupid makes life a lot easier than being gifted.

At least you're not an arrogant liar with a victim complex though... errr...

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Too late.

O dear god (pick one, it doesn't matter) no....

I think that I am more afraid of you than you should be of me.

After reading your posts, I highly doubt that...

I am blessed with an IQ in the top 2% of the population as is my wife and all four of our children.

Adding up your whole families IQ's and then using it as your own doesn't count.

What I don't have and quite frankly wish that I had, is the ability to completely let other people think for me and just go through life believing that something is good or bad based on what someone else tells me.

Reading your posts, quite frankly I wish you had that ability also, as you clearly are not based in reality.

I know that this is hard for you to grasp and might sound like an alien concept to you (pun intended), but trust me....being stupid makes life a lot easier than being gifted.

Since I'm not stupid, or an alien, I'll just have to take your word for it.

Chuck

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Who determines which laws are just.

If one chooses to ignore the laws that they do not like or inconvience them, then why have laws.

Society then regresses back to the brute force method that you do not like.

Now you are at the crux of my argument (and my username even though most think that it is political).

Having been conditioned in this society's "normal" way of thinking, I am not capable of forming the solution. I am only able to identify the problem.

It is a fine line between just and unjust. As I stated earlier, a blend of communism and socialism would be ideal if man were not the overseer of the system. Maybe that is the reason for the belief in the different gods. You have a "neutral" party to decide those things and live in a world without borders and amongst all human kind.

When you actually break down the different afterlives, they all are describing what I am, unfortunately, you have to die first in their scenario.

Well, when the all knowing and fair aliens and/or god(s) come down and start managing everything here on Earth RightIsWrong, we can nominate you as an ambassador to them, a translator if you will.

Until then, Please:
1.) Don't vote.
2.) Don't breed.
3.) Thank you.

Chuck

Too late.

I think that I am more afraid of you than you should be of me. I am blessed with an IQ in the top 2% of the population as is my wife and all four of our children.

What I don't have and quite frankly wish that I had, is the ability to completely let other people think for me and just go through life believing that something is good or bad based on what someone else tells me.

I know that this is hard for you to grasp and might sound like an alien concept to you (pun intended), but trust me....being stupid makes life a lot easier than being gifted.

At least you're not an arrogant liar with a victim complex though... errr...

First and foremost, I only "bragged" about myself AFTER having not so subtle insinuations about my mental state made and having the previous poster imply that my breeding would led to something that is completely false due to the reality of my family's abilities.

Secondly, please do tell what I lied about?

Lastly, how am I claiming to be a victim?

Stating that I would rather be stupid at times because then I could go through life not realizing what is being done in the name of god and country is somehow claiming that I am a victim? I guess anyone that ever claims that they would like something else in life at any time is now a victim by your failed logic.

I think that Aristotle put it best:

?The high-minded man must care more for the truth than for what people think.?

I am trying to get to that rare threshold where I am free of other people's opinions of me or my thoughts. Alas, I keep responding to posts like this so I still have a ways to go.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Too late.

O dear god (pick one, it doesn't matter) no....

I think that I am more afraid of you than you should be of me.

After reading your posts, I highly doubt that...

I am blessed with an IQ in the top 2% of the population as is my wife and all four of our children.

Adding up your whole families IQ's and then using it as your own doesn't count.

What I don't have and quite frankly wish that I had, is the ability to completely let other people think for me and just go through life believing that something is good or bad based on what someone else tells me.

Reading your posts, quite frankly I wish you had that ability also, as you clearly are not based in reality.

I know that this is hard for you to grasp and might sound like an alien concept to you (pun intended), but trust me....being stupid makes life a lot easier than being gifted.

Since I'm not stupid, or an alien, I'll just have to take your word for it.

Chuck

See, you are comfortable in group think and obviously believe that not stating ideas or thoughts outside of the norm is something to strive for. I know that you don't want it, but you have my pity and my sympathy for that unfortunate lot in life.

As for my family's collective IQ, I would put it up against any other family's of comparable size and probably come out on top >99% of the time.

I'd be interested in what you consider reality. Please explain your thoughts on god, consciousness, and any other topic that is completely up for interpretation and then discuss why what you think is reality is more valid than what a dog considers reality.

As for your mental capabilities....I'm sure that it is based on you being well educated so I will leave you with this:

Education: That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding.

Considering you didn't seem to find any disclosure, I can only guess that you found the other.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

See, you are comfortable in group think and obviously believe that not stating ideas or thoughts outside of the norm is something to strive for. I know that you don't want it, but you have my pity and my sympathy for that unfortunate lot in life.

As for my family's collective IQ, I would put it up against any other family's of comparable size and probably come out on top >99% of the time.

I'd be interested in what you consider reality. Please explain your thoughts on god, consciousness, and any other topic that is completely up for interpretation and then discuss why what you think is reality is more valid than what a dog considers reality.

As for your mental capabilities....I'm sure that it is based on you being well educated so I will leave you with this:

Education: That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding.

Considering you didn't seem to find any disclosure, I can only guess that you found the other.

Let's just sum this up RiW: I'm more than comfortable in "group think" when we're looking a stop sign and all agree that the color is red. When some pie in the sky person such as yourself comes along and starts debating, Well, is it red? How can we be sure? What if what you see as red I see as, pink?

I don't accept people like that. I know they exist - by your posts you just proved it to me again - I just don't get caught up in their version of what is truly warped reality.

Once you started debating borders and such non-sensical sh1t, it was apperant you are a pie in the sky'er. Dreamers have their place in life, however in immigration policy - especially one that is being broken by millions of criminals each year - they have none.

There are absolutes here in reality land RiW, one of which is the US border. You can dream someday of there being no border, maybe you can start by telling your neighbors that you'd be super happy to have them extend their house 3" away from yours. Don't worry about what yard you had, after all, there's no borders right?

Chuck

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Too late.

I think that I am more afraid of you than you should be of me. I am blessed with an IQ in the top 2% of the population as is my wife and all four of our children.

What I don't have and quite frankly wish that I had, is the ability to completely let other people think for me and just go through life believing that something is good or bad based on what someone else tells me.

I know that this is hard for you to grasp and might sound like an alien concept to you (pun intended), but trust me....being stupid makes life a lot easier than being gifted.

:laugh:

Damn man...I'm generally considered to be a pretty arrogant asshole....but you sir have outdone my entire body of work with one lone post.

I tip my hat to you.

HUZZAH!!!

:laugh:

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Good. They should be scared.

You have to learn Spanish to order fast food in Texas nowdays

I was at a BBQ place last month & I left because none of the staff spoke English & my Spanish sucks.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Nebor
Good. They should be scared.

You have to learn Spanish to order fast food in Texas nowdays

I was at a BBQ place last month & I left because none of the staff spoke English & my Spanish sucks.

I'd do the same thing unless I was eating at a Mexican restaurant. We have a pretty good Mexican place near where I work. Good food, Good service, but English no good. Any other place I'd not frequent if they did not speak well enough to provide good service.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
You have to learn Spanish to order fast food in Texas nowdays

I was at a BBQ place last month & I left because none of the staff spoke English & my Spanish sucks.

I encountered a similar situation about 2 months back. It's pretty disgusting. (And I do have a fairly decent Spanish vocabulary )

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Let's just sum this up RiW: I'm more than comfortable in "group think" when we're looking a stop sign and all agree that the color is red. When some pie in the sky person such as yourself comes along and starts debating, Well, is it red? How can we be sure? What if what you see as red I see as, pink?

I don't accept people like that. I know they exist - by your posts you just proved it to me again - I just don't get caught up in their version of what is truly warped reality.

Once you started debating borders and such non-sensical sh1t, it was apperant you are a pie in the sky'er. Dreamers have their place in life, however in immigration policy - especially one that is being broken by millions of criminals each year - they have none.

There are absolutes here in reality land RiW, one of which is the US border. You can dream someday of there being no border, maybe you can start by telling your neighbors that you'd be super happy to have them extend their house 3" away from yours. Don't worry about what yard you had, after all, there's no borders right?

Chuck

What you consider me to be is the same thing that others considered people like MLK Jr., a silly unrealistic dreamer with a very weak grasp on reality. "Hey look, there's some idealistic 'tard that actually believes that blacks and whites should be able to live together. What a crock that is. How can someone be that detached from reality?"

Now, don't take that as to mean I am comparing myself to MLK, I'm not in the sense that it might seem. What I am trying to get across is that the common group think of his time was completely different than his "reality". Thankfully, enough people were able to open their minds (not by themselves mind you....someone else had to do it and then they followed along).

And let's not even get into the whole "the world is flat", "the earth is the center of the universe", "blood letting using leaches is a cure for sickness", "women and minorities are not as smart as white men and therefore should not to be allowed in schools or to vote" and a host of other horseshit that has been proven to be completely unrealistic by "pie in the sky'ers" like you are labeling me.

In closing, there are no absolutes. There are things that we have all agreed to be truths at that moment in time, but they are anything but absolute and reality is not something that we can all agree on.

The US border is something that is defined at this point in time. But time has a funny way of changing definitions. Just ask President Bush about the the absoluteness of our border under the NAU plan.

I'll see you on the other side....once enough people have done the thinking for you and tell you what the world looks like at that point in time.