Illegal XP owners beware, Microsoft has quite a suprise planned

[Amused]

Originally posted by: UberDave
i'll start purchasing an OS from Microsoft once they reduce their prices. To me it should be like $60 compared to the $150+ they've been charging.... and thats being generous.

Are you using MS OSes now? If so, is price always a justification for theft to you? If not, ignore me

 

[MrCodeDude]

This is no threat to the warez world at all. All everyone has to do is not download and install SP1, wait for it to be patched/cracked, and then download it off Kazaa or something.
-- mrcodedude

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: coolred
I recant my prevoius statement. I was unaware it was only part of the XP CD's that will also contain SP1. In that case, I don't see it being a big inconvienence as I originally thought.

I will be a little more upset when they start using that MS call home thing. Cause like a lot of people here, I have a legit copy of XP, but I use the cracked version cause its easier.

Linux is free? Where do you get it at and how hard is it to use? I wouldn't mind trying something new on my extra computer, as well as having a fall back OS in case it is proven that bill gates is the anti christ. LOL just kidding, I actually lik the fact that he gives lots of money and computers and stuff to charity.

www.linux-mandrake.com
www.redhat.com
www.suse.com/index_us.html
www.debian.org

to name a few

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: UberDave
i'll start purchasing an OS from Microsoft once they reduce their prices. To me it should be like $60 compared to the $150+ they've been charging.... and thats being generous.

Are you using MS OSes now? If so, is price always a justification for theft to you? If not, ignore me

i know.. considering there are free linux alternatives.. its silly

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
This is no threat to the warez world at all. All everyone has to do is not download and install SP1, wait for it to be patched/cracked, and then download it off Kazaa or something.
-- mrcodedude

What I think a lot of people in this thread are missing is that you can download and install SP1 on an installation that's already on your system, but if you use a slipstreamed CD with SP1 on it, your pirated registration number won't work with it.

It's really not that big of a deal. Just don't use a slipstreamed CD.

 

[Red Dawn]

Interesting to think about how many M$ employees are pirates of software themselves...

I've been told by some that they get all the MS Programs from a MS FTP site. I guess they are given the password and stuff by those who have paid to have access to it.

Personally I haven't a problem with the activation (well not so much that it gives me a heartburn) but I do have a problem with the latest WMP upgrade's EULA?a major one. Almost all my MP3's are ripped from CD's that I own or MP3's that I downloaded from File Sharing programs that are on Vinyl that I own. The thought that Uncle Bill and his minions can arbitrarily disable my ability to play those MP3's because the RIAA tickles their ass with a feather appalls me. I don?t want my government interfering with my private life or my private files let alone a company that actually started out as the biggest bunch of conniving cut-throats since the Barbary Pirates themselves (I could just imagine if Oracle was in their position ?shudders at the thought).

Anyway, MS is pissing into the wind. Like others have said, this ploy will only make those who are legit stay legit and probably won?t have much effect at all on the Warez community.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: coolred
I recant my prevoius statement. I was unaware it was only part of the XP CD's that will also contain SP1. In that case, I don't see it being a big inconvienence as I originally thought.

I will be a little more upset when they start using that MS call home thing. Cause like a lot of people here, I have a legit copy of XP, but I use the cracked version cause its easier.

Linux is free? Where do you get it at and how hard is it to use? I wouldn't mind trying something new on my extra computer, as well as having a fall back OS in case it is proven that bill gates is the anti christ. LOL just kidding, I actually lik the fact that he gives lots of money and computers and stuff to charity.

www.linux-mandrake.com
www.redhat.com
www.suse.com/index_us.html
www.debian.org

to name a few

Or to make it even easier: http://www.linuxiso.org

 

[singh]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Interesting to think about how many M$ employees are pirates of software themselves...

I've been told by some that they get all the MS Programs from a MS FTP site. I guess they are given the password and stuff by those who have paid to have access to it.

Personally I haven't a problem with the activation (well not so much that it gives me a heartburn) but I do have a problem with the latest WMP upgrade's EULA?a major one. Almost all my MP3's are ripped from CD's that I own or MP3's that I downloaded from File Sharing programs that are on Vinyl that I own. The thought that Uncle Bill and his minions can arbitrarily disable my ability to play those MP3's because the RIAA tickles their ass with a feather appalls me. I don?t want my government interfering with my private life or my private files let alone a company that actually started out as the biggest bunch of conniving cut-throats since the Barbary Pirates themselves (I could just imagine if Oracle was in their position ?shudders at the thought).

Anyway, MS is pissing into the wind. Like others have said, this ploy will only make those who are legit stay legit and probably won?t have much effect at all on the Warez community.

Just don't use WMP

 

[HendrixFan]

NFS4, Ive had about enough of the woe is MS deal. The entire product activation system (which you used to accuse me of being a pirate of MS software) obviously has done NOTHING to thwart piracy of WinXP, as is evidenced by this thread. This SP1 patch will do nothing to prevent piracy either. If someone wants to get a pirated copy of WinXP, its as easy to attain as Win2K. Why even concern themselves with product activation? Control. Read the Halloween Documents I linked to earlier in the thread. MS is about control. The entire .NET system where they host your OS and MS software and you pay a subscription is about control. Spending over a billion dollars to create IE and then giving it away for free, undercutting the competition and then closing "standards" is about control. They have been twice convicted (district court and appellate court) of illegally leveraging their monopoly power. The Halloween Documents show they have plenty more of that in store.

How about stopping the practice of price fixing and selling the OS for cheaper? As price drops, it becomes less of a draw for consumers to resort to piracy. Before product activation, Microsoft had used their monopoly power to sell OS's at such a price (with piracy going on) that they currently have more cash on hand (ready to spend) than "The Big Three" automotive companies combined! This is not a company that is being hurt by piracy, and in fact their pricing has come under heavy scrutiny of being fixed because of their monopoly in the market place.

That being said, I have legit copies on each of my machines. So this is not some lame defense coming from a pirate trying to justify their actions.

 

[Jhill]

I want to download linux mandrake from HERE
What is the difference between i586 and ppp?

I noticed the i586 has 3 cds. What is the cd3 (supplemental)?

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: pulse8
What I think a lot of people in this thread are missing is that you can download and install SP1 on an installation that's already on your system, but if you use a slipstreamed CD with SP1 on it, your pirated registration number won't work with it.

It's really not that big of a deal. Just don't use a slipstreamed CD.

It would still detect a pirated serial and probably would lock up or like send your IP address to Microsoft.
-- mrcodedude

 

[Booster]

The product activation system, IMO, contrary to what many people in this thread think, is actually quite a witty idea. What MS needs to straighten out is that it shouldn't create any hassles when doing a clean install on the same comp (does MS think that once installed their XP will stay forever? Many people reinstall every couple of months or so). That's one of the reasons why I still use ME -- I don't know how the XP will behave after being activated once and after I perform a clean install having messed up my previous one.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: pulse8
What I think a lot of people in this thread are missing is that you can download and install SP1 on an installation that's already on your system, but if you use a slipstreamed CD with SP1 on it, your pirated registration number won't work with it.

It's really not that big of a deal. Just don't use a slipstreamed CD.

It would still detect a pirated serial and probably would lock up or like send your IP address to Microsoft.
-- mrcodedude

Where is this information in that article? Or did you get that from somewhere else?

At the present moment, an upgrade to Windows XP SP1 from Windows XP with no SP installation will not give any problems or errors about an invalid CD-Key on a corporate version of Windows XP. This is because the new algorithm feature has been switched off in SP1 upgrades. To get to see this new feature, you would have to slipstream SP1 into the Windows XP installation media and setup Windows. Once you?ve reached the CD-key, no current Corporate Windows XP key (none of the 75 that we?ve tried) will work, as they are all invalid. Even if a corporate key is managed to be found, the chances of it working when SP1 final comes out are slim to none, as Microsoft is rumored to ?still be working on the algorithm for SP1 for Corporate customers?.

The article only mentions doing a fresh install with a slipstream version of XP.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Win 98SE for life !!!

 

[NFS4]

which you used to accuse me of being a pirate of MS software

I never called you a pirate

 

[Michael1897]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: billgates380
Another vote for Win2k, it's been better all along anyways.

Not for me...WinXP is soooooooooo much better on all fronts. I can't even go back to using Win2k on my rig...it's too counterproductive.

Yeah, I tried going back to W2K as well and I just couldn't get back into it. So I'm back on XP Pro. Luckily I've got a friend who works for MS, so my copy is legit and only cost me $30.

I got mine for $5 at campus computer store

 

[chickendinner]

I was researching this a bit and found that if you simply edit the registry and you can change your cd key.
Seems that the warez guys allready has this figured out.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Vortex22
From what I understand, if you have a pirated copy of XP using that key, and go to download SP1 from Windows update, it will not install and will disable Windows update... and probably send all your info to MS.

But of course, if you have a copy with that 1 key that is going to be blocked, there is already a way around it...

And just out of curiousity, whats the way around it?

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: ZeroBurn
have pirates ever been very hard behind, if not a few steps in front? whether it be the leaked dvd encryption or a magic marker, there'll be ways around it. if they spent more efforts on creating their actual product rather than expend resources on circumventing people, perhaps more people would be willing to purchase their products.

Let's try this another way:

Have shoplifters ever been very far behind, if not a few steps in front? Whether it be fake gift boxes with false doors or special tools to remove anti-theft tags there will always be a way around it. If stores spent more efforts on keeping better stock in their stores rather than spending resources on circumventing thieves, perhaps more people would be willing to buy clothes.

Nope, sounds pretty stupid.

Let's try it this way:

Have car thieves ever been very far behind, if not a few steps in front? Whether it be Slim jims or ignition popping tools there will always be a way around it. If car makers spent more efforts on building nicer cars rather than spending resources on circumventing thieves, perhaps more people would be interested in buying cars.

Nope, that's pretty stupid as well.

I guess this means that blaming the victim really is stupid.

One huge, gaping hole in your logic: The loss of an item of clothing or a car represents a real, tangible, physical loss to the owner. Where is the real, physical, tangible loss to Microsoft when a copy is duplicated.

Now, let's say that instead of stealing the item of clothing the "theif" instead duplicated the clothing and walked home with that item of clothing, leaving the store owner with his original item of clothing. Let's say that, instead of Joe losing his fancy new Corvette to a theif, that instead the theif somehow duplicates the Corvette and drives home with his own copy?

Don't compare apples and oranges.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: NFS4
For those that are against MS doing this, what do you suggest they do to stop pirates from reaming them in the ass then?????????????

What would YOU do to stop pirates? It's easy to sit back and be an arm chair critic, but do YOU have a better solution?

1. Do away with product activation. They have probably increased 100 fold peoples interest in getting their hands on corporate editions and serial numbers with this process all by itself.
2. Do for home users what they do for businesses and offer pricing incentives for multiple machines. They really need to consider selling a 5 machine license for the home user/enthusiast. That alone would probably stop the 1 OS on multiple machines thing they are aiming at with product activation.
3. Give up on any dreams to rope the home user into subscription type deals like they are trying to force down the throat of businesses. I think in the long run their desire to force a recurring revenue stream which is the goal of their new licensing effort is going to backfire on them but that is a topic for another thread all by itself.
4. Concentrate their efforts on the piracy that really affects their bottom line namely the wholesale duplication and selling of their CD's by organized criminals.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: NFS4
For those that are against MS doing this, what do you suggest they do to stop pirates from reaming them in the ass then?????????????

What would YOU do to stop pirates? It's easy to sit back and be an arm chair critic, but do YOU have a better solution?

1. Do away with product activation. They have probably increased 100 fold peoples interest in getting their hands on corporate editions and serial numbers with this process all by itself.
2. Do for home users what they do for businesses and offer pricing incentives for multiple machines. They really need to consider selling a 5 machine license for the home user/enthusiast. That alone would probably stop the 1 OS on multiple machines thing they are aiming at with product activation.
3. Give up on any dreams to rope the home user into subscription type deals like they are trying to force down the throat of businesses. I think in the long run their desire to force a recurring revenue stream which is the goal of their new licensing effort is going to backfire on them but that is a topic for another thread all by itself.
4. Concentrate their efforts on the piracy that really affects their bottom line namely the wholesale duplication and selling of their CD's by organized criminals.

All good suggestions and one's that are backed by responses in this thread alone. I especially agree with #2. I paid $100 for my one liscense. If there was an unlimited personal use (hell, 5 machine use) I'd pay $200. As it stands now I gotta pay $500.

 

[CrazyJamaican]

I have a copy of the XP upgrade that I got from DEll and all I have to do is upgrade on the internet. Also, I used it on my friends comp w/ no prob. Yea, we both have Inspiron 4000s, but we have diff proccessor speeds, display types and memory. Also, there is something I don't understand about WMP 9. Will it not allow you to play copyrighted video anywhere on your comp or just in windows media player? If its just in windows media player, who gives? Does anyone really use that program for music? Itts all about Winamp. . .

PS What's WPA?

 

[bsobel]

Personally I haven't a problem with the activation (well not so much that it gives me a heartburn) but I do have a problem with the latest WMP upgrade's EULA?a major one. Almost all my MP3's are ripped from CD's that I own or MP3's that I downloaded from File Sharing programs that are on Vinyl that I own. The thought that Uncle Bill and his minions can arbitrarily disable my ability to play those MP3's because the RIAA tickles their ass with a feather appalls me.

Red, I've seen this mentioned a couple times in this thread, and I (honestly) don't see where your getting this from. The latest EULA does state "may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content" which is a neccesary evil if you want the RIAA folks to sell music digitally. Basically MS can go and remove uncertified drivers or 'other' known software that attempts to 'steal' content which MediaPlayer believes is Secure content. Not getting into the pros/cons of this (there are actually pros and cons), I don't see how this relates to MP3's you've ripped. Those are NOT secure content (secure content would be a file you'd buy from an online music vendor, not create yourself). MediaPlayer has no way of knowing (unless the file indicates it) that the data is a copywritten song, or a recording of you singing in the shower. So, I don't see how this would disable your ability to play those files. Am I missing something?

Bill

 

[gogeeta13]

Originally posted by: NogginBoink

Originally posted by: gogeeta13
This sucks because I run 4 systems at all times, plus I reinstall at least one of the systems every few months, plus hardware testing, plus I do a full upgrade to at least one of my 4 systems every year..

I cannot afford 130x4 in the first place, let alone reactivating everytime I upgrade. I have a computer business, I charge $45 an hour. My time is expensive.

Let me get this straight... you're implying here that you're pirating software (running 4 machines with XP but can't afford 4 copies of it) and complaining that MS is putting anti-piracy mesaures in place?

Reactivating after an upgrade is free. Plus, for hardware testing, the grace period should be ample time for you to test without activating.

Well, Actually, I have 4 NFR copies of XP, sitting in their sleeves on my shelf, but i have 4 copies of Corp on the machines so i can avoid the activation hassle. I am going to need SP1 tho, I am sure it will make lots of fixes. So here I am, with 4 legit copies of XP pro NFR, but i am screwed just as much as the pirates.

Oh yeah, and I htink if there was no way to pirate XP, the pirates would use linux, they arent losing any sales

edit: I paid nothing for the NFR's; went to a MS thing here in cleveland, and they had a crap load of extra's and I talked one of the guys into giving me a few more because he ended up being related to my coisin..

 

[gogeeta13]

Oh yeah, I may CHARGE $45/hour, never said people were lining up to pay that... business is hard these days. Why fix it when i can get a p4 2hz dell for like $5