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Ignoring the will of the people

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zinfamous said:
Also, Prop 8 support was largely funded by out-of-CA interest groups--particularly the Mormon church and lobby operating out of Utah, that really did not want the gays to marry. One of those moments when conservatives hate other states trying to influence other states, except when they love to do it in support of their insane policies that only ever de-evolve society, and like prop 8, are deemed unconstitutional and spiteful. Predictable, because conservatives are fucking assholes.
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I agree it was terrible legislation, but the point remains. The people wanted it, the state overturned it. Rightfully so, but the point is the same.
 
blackangst1 said:
No, I was making a point that overturning the will of the poeple isnt unusual. I mean, I said that. Obviously you read my comments through the lenses you created.
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One might be inclined to accept this backpedaling, if this isn't actually what you posted

blackangst1 said:
California has a long history of over overturning the will of the people. This is not a Republican thing nor is it new.
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Leave out that last sentence, and it could be ignored. But you didn't leave it out. You made it about political parties. We're smart enough to know what you said. Don't think we're fucking ignorant republicans like you and Fox News and your leaders expect of you. We actually know what you said. Don't pretend that we are as dumb as you.
 
blackangst1 said:
Man youre so scary with your language!

Anyway. Your memory is wrong. Prop 8 was overturned by a CA judge

And no, that article didnt mention prop 8, but it did go though how many times either a state judge, legislature, or governor can and has overturned a proposition (aka will of the people). What MS is doing is not anything outrageous.

Other CA overturned propositions can be found with a web search.
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You are being fucking obtuse. I literally wrote in the post that you replied to courts at the state and federal level affected prop 8...goddamn read AND comprehend!
 
blackangst1 said:
No, I was making a point that overturning the will of the poeple isnt unusual. I mean, I said that. Obviously you read my comments through the lenses you created.
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We all read your comment just fine. If we all interpreted it wrong then that's on you.

Judges determining something isn't legal is very different than legislators ignoring the will of the people when they go through the proper procedures to get legislation enacted.

But you already know this which is why you are backpedaling.
 
blackangst1 said:
I dunno...ask CA. They passed it.
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I don't want answer from the people who voted for it, I want the deplorables who wrote Prop 8 to answer for it. They wrote it up knowing that it violated the U.S. Constitution and push their lies to the voters. Prop 8 was well financed, so they have all kind of resources to push their lies to the voters.
 
kt said:
I don't want answer from the people who voted for it, I want the deplorables who wrote Prop 8 to answer for it. They wrote it up knowing that it violated the U.S. Constitution and push their lies to the voters. Prop 8 was well financed, so they have all kind of resources to push their lies to the voters.
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Well dont look to me to defend it. As Ive already said, it was terrible legislation.
 
blackangst1 said:
I agree it was terrible legislation, but the point remains. The people wanted it, the state overturned it. Rightfully so, but the point is the same.
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Judges overruling based on constitutionality are not the same thing as legislators overriding the will of the people.
 
blackangst1 said:
Man youre so scary with your language!

Anyway. Your memory is wrong. Prop 8 was overturned by a CA judge

And no, that article didnt mention prop 8, but it did go though how many times either a state judge, legislature, or governor can and has overturned a proposition (aka will of the people). What MS is doing is not anything outrageous.

Other CA overturned propositions can be found with a web search.
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Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge, not a California judge. It is not overturning the will of the people if they try to enact an unconstitutional provision.

Please list some overturned propositions in California.
 
fskimospy said:
Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge, not a California judge. It is not overturning the will of the people if they try to enact an unconstitutional provision.

Please list some overturned propositions in California.
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Yes but it is still overturning the will of the people is it not? The people said we want this, and the government says no you cant have it even you passed it legally.

Here is a list of propositions in CA and their results. All were eventually overturned as unconstitutional. Nevertheless, overturning "the will of the people".

List of California ballot propositions - Wikipedia

But the larger point is that "the will of the people" can, and does, get overturned more often that most think, as evidenced by the Bloomberg article I linked.
 
By the way @blackangst1 , you should probably just give it up and take the L on California as you’re not going to find them, at least no recent ones. This is because essentially all those propositions are constitutional amendments, not legislation, so the legislature can’t overturn them even if they wanted to.

This is because the California constitution is retarded and the requirements for legislation by proposition and constitutional amendment by proposition are essentially the same.
 
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blackangst1 said:
Yes but it is still overturning the will of the people is it not? The people said we want this, and the government says no you cant have it even you passed it legally.

Here is a list of propositions in CA and their results. All were eventually overturned as unconstitutional. Nevertheless, overturning "the will of the people".

List of California ballot propositions - Wikipedia
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Since you missed it the last 10 times:

JUDGES OVERTURNING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR WILL IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL IS NOT THE SAME AS LEGISLATORS JUST SAYING FUCK YOU.

Yes, you might be able to find a few examples of this happening before but they will ALL be Republicans saying fuck you to the people. Do us all a favor and edit your posts in this thread to indicate you've been talking out your ass. Thank you!
 
dank69 said:
Since you missed it the last 10 times:

JUDGES OVERTURNING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR WILL IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL IS NOT THE SAME AS LEGISLATORS JUST SAYING FUCK YOU.

Yes, you might be able to find a few examples of this happening before but they will ALL be Republicans saying fuck you to the people. Do us all a favor and edit your posts in this thread to indicate you've been talking out your ass. Thank you!
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No I got it. I just view it as a distinction without a difference.
 
blackangst1 said:
Yes but it is still overturning the will of the people is it not? The people said we want this, and the government says no you cant have it even you passed it legally.

Here is a list of propositions in CA and their results. All were eventually overturned as unconstitutional. Nevertheless, overturning "the will of the people".

List of California ballot propositions - Wikipedia

But the larger point is that "the will of the people" can, and does, get overturned more often that most think, as evidenced by the Bloomberg article I linked.
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No it's not overturning the will of the people because the will of the people is that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Regardless, look at your list - not a single, solitary proposition overturned by the legislature like is under discussion in this thread so if anything you've proved the opposite.
 
Does ANYONE have a good list where state legislatures\executive refused to enact "the will of the people" during the modern era?
Lets say 1985+
 
fskimospy said:
Only if you think the Constitution does not represent the will of the people. Do you?
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Generally, sure. But most? I doubt it. Thats why we have a SCOTUS. Heres the distinction without a difference youre not getting. In MI the Governor doesnt follow the law enacting legislation that is the "will of the people". With Prop 8, the courts overturn "the will of the people" because its against the law. Two different reasons, same result: the "will of the people" isnt received by those who voted for it.
 
blackangst1 said:
Generally, sure. But most? I doubt it. Thats why we have a SCOTUS. Heres the distinction without a difference youre not getting. In MI the Governor doesnt follow the law enacting legislation that is the "will of the people". With Prop 8, the courts overturn "the will of the people" because its against the law. Two different reasons, same result: the "will of the people" isnt received by those who voted for it.
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So wait, your argument is that the people of California preferred to invalidate the federal constitution rather than be unable to ban gay marriage? As someone who was a resident of California I can tell you that's most certainly untrue.

If you are not arguing that then the will of the people was not overturned, as they preferred an intact federal constitution to banning gay marriage.
 
fskimospy said:
So wait, your argument is that the people of California preferred to invalidate the federal constitution rather than be unable to ban gay marriage? As someone who was a resident of California I can tell you that's most certainly untrue.

If you are not arguing that then the will of the people was not overturned, as they preferred an intact federal constitution to banning gay marriage.
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This! So much this!
 
fskimospy said:
So wait, your argument is that the people of California preferred to invalidate the federal constitution rather than be unable to ban gay marriage? As someone who was a resident of California I can tell you that's most certainly untrue.
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Yes. The votes dont lie.
 
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