If you were to build now!

[cmdrdredd]

If you were to build a system now would you go with a Intel 2.5Ghz CPU and overclock some with a SIS655 mobo. or a Athlon 2800+ and Nforce2 and overclock a bit (corsair memory all around PC3200 cas2)

 

[magomago]

In this case, the Athlon...but if its was a p4 3.06 I'd go Intel assuming $$$ was no object

 

[Insane3D]

IMO, the Athlon setup. You could save even some more cash by picking up a 2100+ or 2400+ Tbred and o/cing.

 

[cmdrdredd]

but I don't want a 2100+ I'm looking for something in the range of 2600+ or 2700+ or maybe 2800+(really want 333Mhz FSB) how does this compare to say a 2.6Ghz P4?

I am just wondering what the options are. They are in the same price range from what I see. $20 more for the Intel platform.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
but I don't want a 2100+ I'm looking for something in the range of 2600+ or 2700+ or maybe 2800+(really want 333Mhz FSB) how does this compare to say a 2.6Ghz P4?

I am just wondering what the options are. They are in the same price range from what I see. $20 more for the Intel platform.

I understand, I just made the suggestion because they all run as fast as the 2600+ and up, and the Nforce 2 boards allow you to freely adjust the multiplier without doing anything to the chip or board. If you got a 2400+ (2Ghz) chip with a 266mhz FSB, you can just change the multiplier freely and run any FSB you want. The Nforce2 boards also have a locked PCI bus, and a freely adjustable AGP bus. Also, regardless of what chip you got, you could just run 400mhz FSB/mem for the best performance.

 

[nocash]

I think it would be a waste right now to get a 2600+ cpu with the way the tbreb b chips are overclocking. I have a 1700+ tbreb b clocked at 12.5x166 in an epox 8rda nforce2. default voltage. A 2600+ may clock a bit higher but it is nearing its headroom. 1700 to 2600 was a nice bonus for a $53 chip. If I had better memory i would be trying for 200x10

 

[cmdrdredd]

BTW: how does the AMD retail HSF hold up for overclocking?

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
BTW: how does the AMD retail HSF hold up for overclocking?

If you are not cranking the voltage much, it should be adequate. If you are looking at spending the money on a nice high end XP and Nforce2 board, you would be better served to get a nice 80mm HS like the Alpha 8045 and pairing it with something like a Panaflo 21CFM.

 

[cmdrdredd]

no I'm not gonna pay more than like $30 to cool this thing. I don't see why I should when an Intel HSF does what it does so well for basically free

 

[cmdrdredd]

so I could get a 2400+ and run my FSB at 200Mhz and the multiplyer at whatever I want? Since it's dual DDR I'd be getting dual DDR400? Is this correct?

 

[bgeh]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
so I could get a 2400+ and run my FSB at 200Mhz and the multiplyer at whatever I want? Since it's dual DDR I'd be getting dual DDR400? Is this correct?

yup, provided your 2400+ doesn't limit you

 

[Insane3D]

Fine, then use the retail HSF. You can also get some nice Taisol units for ~$10-$15. The main reason I suggested a HSF like the Alpha is not only for better cooling, it was to allow you to use a quieter, larger fan like the Panaflo. While the retail HSF will work fine, if you are used to a retail P4 HSF, it will likely seem loud to you.

I sometimes don't understand why people are so adverse to buying adecent HSF unit. When I was running a o/c'ed NW P4, my retail HSF worked fine, but I chose to get a Alpha to not only get better cooling, but a superior mounting system and much more choice as to what fan I could use.

 

[Jeff H]

Insane3D, I couldn't agree w/ you more. That same attitude often surfaces when it comes to power supplies. If one wants his system to run well, power supplies and HSF's are two areas one shouldn't scrimp.

I had the exact experience you relate to re mounting. I bought a retail P4 1.6A and an EPoX 4SDA+. At the time there were reports of the P4 retail HSF actually warping the board, due to excessive clamping pressure. I ended up getting an Arkua P4 HSF and that thing is a beauty. At stock clock I'm able to keep the 1.6 @ 26C w/ the fan at a "medium" speed, using the Thermaltake fan speed controller. In my case (Enlight 7237) I added a 92mm Panaflo M output fan set @7v and a YS Tech 80mm input fan w/ the rheostat and I ended up w/ a relatively quiet system, thanks also to my Seagate Barracuda IV drive (absolutely silent).

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Fine, then use the retail HSF. You can also get some nice Taisol units for ~$10-$15. The main reason I suggested a HSF like the Alpha is not only for better cooling, it was to allow you to use a quieter, larger fan like the Panaflo. While the retail HSF will work fine, if you are used to a retail P4 HSF, it will likely seem loud to you.

I sometimes don't understand why people are so adverse to buying adecent HSF unit. When I was running a o/c'ed NW P4, my retail HSF worked fine, but I chose to get a Alpha to not only get better cooling, but a superior mounting system and much more choice as to what fan I could use.

I'm not concerned with how loud it is. I use my system for games and when I do I crank the volume so I can't even hear the fans if they were jet engines. That's the least f my worries. I'm looking for the cheap solution. I may go so far as to buy a Thermaltake unit or something similar.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I have a fast P4 system now, but was thinking of selling it to a friend and getting something to replace my system.

 

[Confused]

Can't complain with my Epox 8RDA+ and 1700+ Tbred B that's currently sitting at 2.06GHz, 206*10



Feels much snappier than my P4 2.4B @ 2.93GHz (162*18) does, with the all the same other components (WD SE 80GB hdd, gf4 ti4200)


For a £50 CPU, i can't complain!


Confused

 

[cmdrdredd]

nice...yeah I definately will go AMD another round now. If I were buying high end I'd go for Intel, but for the mid range you definately can't touch an Athlon.

 

[Insane3D]

The Nforce2 has really breathed new life into the Athlon. Things like AGP/PCI locking, excellent sound, native firewire and dual LAN capability really make it attractive. Add to that the low cost of the Tbred B's and the full multiplier adjustment without any physical chip modification, and it's a dream for the overclocker/enthusiast too.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
If you were to build a system now would you go with a Intel 2.5Ghz CPU and overclock some with a SIS655 mobo. or a Athlon 2800+ and Nforce2 and overclock a bit (corsair memory all around PC3200 cas2)

thats nice, you deserve a cookie!

/me gives cmdrdredd a cookie

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: human2k

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
If you were to build a system now would you go with a Intel 2.5Ghz CPU and overclock some with a SIS655 mobo. or a Athlon 2800+ and Nforce2 and overclock a bit (corsair memory all around PC3200 cas2)

thats nice, you deserve a cookie!

/me gives cmdrdredd a cookie

now what the hell does that mean? If you don't have anything to contribute then don't bother posting. Sheesh it's a reasonable question anyway.

 

[JSSheridan]

Comparisons between high end Intel and AMD CPU's are so close, I looked to the motherboards to make a choice. For now, I would go with the nForce2 and, therefore, AMD. As SIS655 MB's filter into the mainstream, they will be worth looking at. Peace.

 

[cmdrdredd]

looks like I may be building an Athlon box then. However...I am a bit hesitant to reinstall my OS over again

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: Confused
Can't complain with my Epox 8RDA+ and 1700+ Tbred B that's currently sitting at 2.06GHz, 206*10



Feels much snappier than my P4 2.4B @ 2.93GHz (162*18) does, with the all the same other components (WD SE 80GB hdd, gf4 ti4200)


For a £50 CPU, i can't complain!


Confused

Big headed git :|

Can you believe garry had the cheek to ring me up and blag about how amazing his comp is compared to mine now :|

Grr :|
Dan

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: MrFiTTy

Originally posted by: Confused
Can't complain with my Epox 8RDA+ and 1700+ Tbred B that's currently sitting at 2.06GHz, 206*10



Feels much snappier than my P4 2.4B @ 2.93GHz (162*18) does, with the all the same other components (WD SE 80GB hdd, gf4 ti4200)


For a £50 CPU, i can't complain!


Confused

Big headed git :|

Can you believe garry had the cheek to ring me up and blag about how amazing his comp is compared to mine now :|

Grr :|
Dan

ty... needed that lmao... ty