If you never traveled for work (updated with resolution)

kranky

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I have a situation where a guy was sent to New York City for a week to a client's office. He had never traveled for work before.

Here's his expenses (not including base hotel bill/airline ticket). Would you expect everything to be reimbursed?

$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
$13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
$10 in-flight meal
$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
$15 movie theater (ticket)
$5 movie refreshments
$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
Lunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
Dinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
$30 hotel charges for phone calls home
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
$10/day hotel charge for internet use
$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone

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UPDATE - resolution

So here's the rest of the story.

Nobody had reviewed the company travel policy with the guy. He didn't even know there was a policy, since he had never traveled before. All he was told was something to the effect that "expenses related to your trip will be reimbursed."

The employee is in an entry-level position (=low-paid) and I feel I have to take that into account. I reviewed the expenses with him and it was quickly obvious that he was completely in the dark about what is "expected". He just didn't have any idea how this worked.

I disapproved the $25 grass cutting and the $42 Rockefeller Center trip. He's going to feel some pain over $67 but it won't be crippling. You can argue it's totally arbitrary to allow some of those things but not the ones I disapproved, and you'd be right. I am in effect "splitting it" with him somewhat. He would never have done some of those things if he didn't think he would be repaid, and he didn't go wild either so I felt he was not trying to abuse the system, otherwise he would have been out every night doing something. But I could not allow all of that either, even though he didn't know the policy. I should have disallowed more but I think it would have caused him serious financial hardship and I don't think that's fair to do after the fact.

According to the policy, he should have driven to the airport (mileage reimbursable) and parked there (reimbursable) vs. the more expensive cab. No future reimbursement for movie theater, in-room movie, snacks/vending or sightseeing.

The tips were really on the high side and I asked him to cut down a little in the future.

He was satisfied with the outcome and actually relieved knowing that according to the policy he could have been stuck with a lot more. Can't reimburse kennel fees in the future and he said he could get someone to watch his dog if he had to travel again.
 

Koing

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wtf @ grass cut!

WHO is this JOKER?

I'd bill travel to and from the airport, no tips (uk, much less of a tipping culture) and meals. Not snacks and all the other BS.

Koing
 

FoBoT

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i never expense tips
no way on the movie or movie popcorn
no way on the vending machine stuff
no on the in room p0rn
only pay the internet if he doesn't have a cell phone card for his laptop
no on the taxi for siteseeing (rockefeller center)
no on the dog sitter and no on cutting his grass , he couldn't be serious on those two

the phone calls is iffy, back in the day before everyone had cell phones, then phone charges were normally paid, but does the guy seriously not have a cell phone? what the heck did he use the in room phone for?


the IRS has guidelines
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p535/ch11.html
 

yinan

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Alot of the stuff looks ok and are legitimate business expenses. But the pet thing and grass definately arent. The movie ticket and movie refreshments arent. His food and stuff should come out of per diem, or can actually be billed like this if there is no per diem.
 

phreaqe

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i would not pay for the movie, or snacks while at the movie or the inroom movies, and i doubt i would pay for the phone calls in the hotel unless they were business related. i also would not pay for the rockefeller trip or the grass cutting. the rest are things i think should be taken care of.
 

wiredspider

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Not on tips, movies, dog kennel, grass cutting, or the trip to Rockefeller Center.

His meals, snacks and beverages should of came out of his per diem. I would think the company would set XX amount per day.

I don't get why he used the hotel phone for $30 in a WEEK! I find it hard to believe he didn't have his own cell phone or something.
 

mcurphy

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Yes$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
Yes$13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
Yes$10 in-flight meal
Yes$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
Yes$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
No$15 movie theater (ticket)
No$5 movie refreshments
Yes$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
YesLunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
YesDinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
No$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
Yes$30 hotel charges for phone calls home
No$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
No$10/day hotel charge for internet use
Yes$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
No$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
No$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
No$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone


The ones I answered yes to, my company would reimburse me for. Does your company not have a policy that outlines which expenses are covered? If not, you may want to draft one up so you won't have to argue with employees over what is and isn't covered in the future.
 

SacrosanctFiend

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Originally posted by: kranky
I have a situation where a guy was sent to New York City for a week to a client's office. He had never traveled for work before.

Here's his expenses (not including base hotel bill/airline ticket). Would you expect everything to be reimbursed?

$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned. We only reimburse for 15% tips
$13 breakfast at airport restaurant. Yep
$10 in-flight mealYep
$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport. We only reimburse for 15% tips
$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving Nope.
$15 movie theater (ticket) Nope
$5 movie refreshments Nope
$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day) We only reimburse for 15% tips
Lunch varies $12-$20 (each day) Yep
Dinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service. Yep
$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site Nope
$30 hotel charges for phone calls home Nope
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies Nope
$10/day hotel charge for internet use Depends if it was used for business
$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day) Nope
$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center Nope
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone This one is iffy, but we would probably allow it
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was goneHell no.

Just based on my company.
 

KMFJD

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Originally posted by: kranky
I have a situation where a guy was sent to New York City for a week to a client's office. He had never traveled for work before.

Here's his expenses (not including base hotel bill/airline ticket). Would you expect everything to be reimbursed?

$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
ok
$13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
ok
$10 in-flight meal
ok
$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
ok as long as he has reciept
$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
no
$15 movie theater (ticket)
no, wtf is he thinking
$5 movie refreshments
no, wtf is he thinking
$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
ok
Lunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
ok
Dinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
ok
$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
no, wtf is he thinking
$30 hotel charges for phone calls home
no
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
no, wtf is he thinking
$10/day hotel charge for internet use
$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
no
$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
no, wtf is he thinking
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
no, wtf is he thinking
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone
no, wtf is he thinking


And he better have a reciept for everything he wished to have expensed.
 

sswingle

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Originally posted by: mcurphy
Yes$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
Yes$13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
Yes$10 in-flight meal
Yes$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
Yes$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
No$15 movie theater (ticket)
No$5 movie refreshments
Yes$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
YesLunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
YesDinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
No$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
Yes$30 hotel charges for phone calls home
No$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
No$10/day hotel charge for internet use
Yes$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
No$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
No$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
No$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone


The ones I answered yes to, my company would reimburse me for. Does your company not have a policy that outlines which expenses are covered? If not, you may want to draft one up so you won't have to argue with employees over what is and isn't covered in the future.

Mostly agree, but I would say no to the phone calls home, and yes to the internet (assuming he got online to connect to VPN or something)
 

theknight571

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Originally posted by: kranky
I have a situation where a guy was sent to New York City for a week to a client's office. He had never traveled for work before.

Here's his expenses (not including base hotel bill/airline ticket). Would you expect everything to be reimbursed?

$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
$13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
$10 in-flight meal
$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
$15 movie theater (ticket)
$5 movie refreshments
$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
Lunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
Dinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
$30 hotel charges for phone calls home
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
$10/day hotel charge for internet use
$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone

The bold items would be reimbursed by my company. The movie and Rockefeller Center items might be, depending on circumstances... they would sometimes cover entertainment (to a certain amount) if you had to be there over the weekend. The meal on the plane would be covered if the flight was over 4 hours... or if it were submitted as your lunch for that day (as opposed to in addition to your 3 other meals)... the rest I lol'd at. :)
 

IronWing

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$60 taxi to airport? Where in Montana does he live?

Anyway, this is why strict per diem should established. Employees spend more wisely if they know they are going to eat exorbitant, unjustifiable expenses. For expensive cities, a higher per diem is warranted than for cheaper locales.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Taxi yes, tip not that much. $60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
Yes. $13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
Yes. $10 in-flight meal
See first line. $40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
No. $5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
No. $15 movie theater (ticket)
No. $5 movie refreshments
Yes, same about the tip. $22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
Yes. Lunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
Yes. (though the amounts are pushing it) Dinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
No. $23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
Maybe. $30 hotel charges for phone calls home
No. $15 hotel charges for in-room movies
If needed for his job. $10/day hotel charge for internet use
Maybe. $10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
No. $42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
If pre-arranged. $135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
No. $25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone
 

bignateyk

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Is this guy serious? There is a thing called per-diem. That means you get $X/day for food and incidentals, and $Y/day for hotels. Anything more than that, you pay the difference, anything less, you get the difference.

Incidentals encompass all the bullshit like tipping the hotel staff, mowing your grass, etc...

Where I work, it depends on the city of travel, but in the US, the most we get is $69/day in DC for food/incidentals, and $200/day for hotel.

I'd probably fire someone who tried to get reimbursed for in-room movies, movie tickets, etc...
 

Kntx

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I think these 3 are the only suspect ones. Maybe the trip to the Rockefeller center is OK.

$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone

edit: Your company requires a documented policy for travel expenses. You can't pick and choose what to reimburse after the fact.
 

bignateyk

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Originally posted by: Kntx
I think these 3 are the only suspect ones. Maybe the trip to the Rockefeller center is OK.

$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone

edit: Your company requires a documented policy for travel expenses. You can't pick and choose what to reimburse after the fact.

Why the hell should he be reimbursed for movie tickets and in-room movies?? Should he be reimbursed for the $1000/hour hooker he picked up too?
 

Titan

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If it were not in my job description or contract that travel was part of my job, I would ask to be reimbursed for all my expenses for the trip. Okay, maybe not the movie and sightseeing unless that was with the client.

You're making me travel and I have to put my dog up. it's out of the ordinary and expenses related to my trip should be covered. I would be pissed if my job made me travel suddenly and wouldn't absorb the associated surprise costs. So it all depends on how the job is defined or how big your company is.

The dog and grass are borderline ridiculous. But jobs are also ridiculous at many many times so it's all a game. It just depends on how you choose to play.

It sounds like this guy gave you that list just because he is new to it and is being thorough.
 

slag

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Originally posted by: Titan
If it were not in my job description or contract that travel was part of my job, I would ask to be reimbursed for all my expenses for the trip. Okay, maybe not the movie and sightseeing unless that was with the client.

You're making me travel and I have to put my dog up. it's out of the ordinary and expenses related to my trip should be covered. I would be pissed if my job made me travel suddenly and wouldn't absorb the associated surprise costs. So it all depends on how the job is defined or how big your company is.

The dog and grass are borderline ridiculous. But jobs are also ridiculous at many many times so it's all a game. It just depends on how you choose to play.

It sounds like this guy gave you that list just because he is new to it and is being thorough.

x2

If I live by myself and have a pet, the company needs to pay to have the pet boarded. Same with lawn. Yes, its my responsibility to mow the yard, but if I'm required to be out of town and the HOA requires that its mowed, then it should be the responsibility of the company to pay for it since I cannot be there (away on work).

There should have been a conversation beforehand where the employee expressed his concerns about where his pet would go while he was away. I really dont think the yard should be covered, nor should any of the entertainment expenses, but I am just seeing what everyone else thinks.
 

Linflas

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Nonsense like that list are why many companies just give you a flat per day amount for meals and expenses rather than requiring an itemized list of expenses.
 

Cattlegod

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yes to all. you are ripping this guy from his home and sending him on the road.

oh, and the grass cut is totally valid too. what if he is single and has no one to cut the grass while on travel?
 

rudder

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I used to travel all the time.

Got hotel expenses paid for.
Paid a per diem for food and other expenses.
I was reimbursed for tips since my only mode of transportation was the hotel van.

Now if I were a business man and I had to entertain potential clients I would expect more items to be reimbursed... but a movie ticket? fire his ass.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Nonsense like that list are why many companies just give you a flat per day amount for meals and expenses rather than requiring an itemized list of expenses.

damn right, $22 for breakfast buffet? and $5 tip on top of that? per day?!? wtf?
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: kranky
I have a situation where a guy was sent to New York City for a week to a client's office. He had never traveled for work before.

Here's his expenses (not including base hotel bill/airline ticket). Would you expect everything to be reimbursed?

$60+$15 tip taxi ride from home to airport, and $60+$15 tip taxi ride from airport to home when he returned.
$13 breakfast at airport restaurant.
$10 in-flight meal
$40+$10 tip taxi from airport to hotel, and again on the way back to the airport.
$5 tip to bellhop on arrival, $5 to bellhop when leaving
$15 movie theater (ticket)
$5 movie refreshments

$22+$5 tip buffet breakfast at hotel (each day)
Lunch varies $12-$20 (each day)
Dinner varies $25-$60 (each day). Some were room service.
$23 (total) for vending machine snacks/beverages for the week while at client site
$30 hotel charges for phone calls home
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
$10/day hotel charge for internet use
$10 tip to hotel housekeeper ($2/day)
$42 taxi plus ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$135 kennel fee for his dog while he was gone
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone

I bolded the items that I definitely wouldn't expect to be reimbursed.

I've never put cash tips on expense reports, but I understand wanting to be reimbursed for them.

He does seem to spend a lot on food, but it is NYC.

I said no on the airport breakfast because it was before the start of the trip. He should have eaten breakfast at home. That $13 breakfast bought him an extra 10 minutes of sleep.