Guy's got some balls, that's for sure. Reimburse any meals, travel/lodging, tips. Anything entertainment is a big fat NO, although some places do reimburse that.
I can almost agree with the kennel fee as well along with the grass. Those are expenses he would not otherwise incur and as such need to be paid for. So depending on policy everything he's listed could be paid for. When I travel you or the client are paying for EVERYTHING, that's part of the T/E.
Everything as in any expense that I would not normally have if I weren't traveling. Per diems are just a guideline. You can always go over as long as you have receipts and if the company doesn't pay for it (and they should, they are required to), deduct it from your taxes.
I can almost agree with the kennel fee as well along with the grass. Those are expenses he would not otherwise incur and as such need to be paid for. So depending on policy everything he's listed could be paid for. When I travel you or the client are paying for EVERYTHING, that's part of the T/E.
Everything as in any expense that I would not normally have if I weren't traveling. Per diems are just a guideline. You can always go over as long as you have receipts and if the company doesn't pay for it (and they should, they are required to), deduct it from your taxes.
olds
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I work for the State of CA, I get:
$6 Breakfast
$10 Lunch
$18 Dinner
$6 Incidentals (after the first day)
$72 a day for hotel
Actual car/taxi fare, no tip
No money for side trips or expenses I've incurred while traveling except for the $6 a day/incidentals.
$6 Breakfast
$10 Lunch
$18 Dinner
$6 Incidentals (after the first day)
$72 a day for hotel
Actual car/taxi fare, no tip
No money for side trips or expenses I've incurred while traveling except for the $6 a day/incidentals.
PlasmaBomb
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Travel expenses and expenses en-route I think are fine. Breakfast + lunch are iffy.
I have stayed at a B+B for work, so the breakfast was included, and the pay included a "food allowance" for lunch/food.
Dinner - outside work hours, and I would normally* expect to pay for it myself. Tips are discretionary, and therefore I would expect to pay for them myself. Any activities undertaken while away were at my expense... (pub/tours/entertainment/non-work related taxi's).
*normally excludes work dinners, or entertaining if required.
Since you specify "home" no. Business calls are fine.
Internet... haven't claimed for it, but then it could be legitimate if it was used for work - which he should be able to vouch for (work emails etc.), depends what the job entails.
Oh and this...
no receipt = no money, what do you think you are the gubberment?
PlasmaBomb
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Gunslinger08
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Seems like you were reasonable with the guy, especially since he didn't know the policy. Kudos for working with him and not just denying everything that was questionable, especially given his circumstances.
oogabooga
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When it's other peoples money...
I wouldn't expect to get reimbursed for many of those things.
What I found interesting was movie theater tickets were 15.. but refreshments were 5? He's been splurging on tips, three meals a day, vending machine snacks, and he showed some restraint at the movie theater?
ktehmok
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I look at it this way:
I live in Phoenix, AZ. If you (your company) want me to work for you in Chicago, New York, Atlanta, whatever, you are going to pay for every expense that comes up from me being in that place. If I wanted to work or be in any of those places, I would fucking move there. You want me there? Open the wallet, or shorten your expectations.
If you own a company and want to do work to work in a different city and want to be a cheap ass about it, then open an office there & stop bitching about travel expenses. I personally started leaving all my cash & credit cards at home before trips. The company should provide a credit card or upfront cash for you. I learned the hard way, and was stranded in Denver with a bullshit check I was given for expenses that you could have played handball with. 26 hours on a Greyhound bus will enlighten anyone on how most employers are completely full of shit and not to be trusted at all. Cash or credit card up front, or stick the road trip up your ass.
An employer is only as trustworthy as the last check that cleared. Nothing more.
I live in Phoenix, AZ. If you (your company) want me to work for you in Chicago, New York, Atlanta, whatever, you are going to pay for every expense that comes up from me being in that place. If I wanted to work or be in any of those places, I would fucking move there. You want me there? Open the wallet, or shorten your expectations.
If you own a company and want to do work to work in a different city and want to be a cheap ass about it, then open an office there & stop bitching about travel expenses. I personally started leaving all my cash & credit cards at home before trips. The company should provide a credit card or upfront cash for you. I learned the hard way, and was stranded in Denver with a bullshit check I was given for expenses that you could have played handball with. 26 hours on a Greyhound bus will enlighten anyone on how most employers are completely full of shit and not to be trusted at all. Cash or credit card up front, or stick the road trip up your ass.
An employer is only as trustworthy as the last check that cleared. Nothing more.
Most of that looks OK, but I would expect people to think a little about what they're doing rather than just turning it into a spending spree.
I'm traveling to Secaucus next week on business. My g/f will drop me off at the airport and pick me up. She will take care of the cat while I'm gone. I have my own cell phone with unlimited roaming + long distance. I will pay for my own excursions in Manhattan. I will try to get my personal internet needs taken care of during the day. Vending machine/snacks are my own problem.
The meals & tips all look OK to me, PlasmaBomb has to be smoking something to think that dinner should be the employee's responsibility. I would at least leave my room & go down to the hotel restaurant to avoid the room service fees, but it's not my responsibility to go traipsing around an unfamiliar city to save you $20 on my dinner.
Viper GTS
I'm traveling to Secaucus next week on business. My g/f will drop me off at the airport and pick me up. She will take care of the cat while I'm gone. I have my own cell phone with unlimited roaming + long distance. I will pay for my own excursions in Manhattan. I will try to get my personal internet needs taken care of during the day. Vending machine/snacks are my own problem.
The meals & tips all look OK to me, PlasmaBomb has to be smoking something to think that dinner should be the employee's responsibility. I would at least leave my room & go down to the hotel restaurant to avoid the room service fees, but it's not my responsibility to go traipsing around an unfamiliar city to save you $20 on my dinner.
Viper GTS
He's a nice tipper especially in taxis. I think it's a bit excessive. There are cheaper ways to the airport, but maybe he didn't know or he didn't care.
Does his responsibilities include travel to out of state/remote clients? If not, I'd said pay for everything or state what the coverage is upfront. You basically put him in a position to do things that he isn't expecting to do.
I think he wanted to enjoy his trip and took FULL advantage of it. He must have really enjoyed his dinners. Next time you need to let them know exactly what the policy is for reimbursement prior to the trip.
Does his responsibilities include travel to out of state/remote clients? If not, I'd said pay for everything or state what the coverage is upfront. You basically put him in a position to do things that he isn't expecting to do.
I think he wanted to enjoy his trip and took FULL advantage of it. He must have really enjoyed his dinners. Next time you need to let them know exactly what the policy is for reimbursement prior to the trip.
BoomerD
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Some of the expenses he thought he should be remibursed for were ROFL funny...BUT, after reading your update that explained things, it made a bit more sense. IMO, you were more than fair in how you reimbursed him for what he was out of pocket.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
$15 movie theater (ticket)
$5 movie refreshments
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
$?? ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone
I would have paid for everything except for the above, and told him not to use hotel phone ever again.
$5 movie refreshments
$15 hotel charges for in-room movies
$?? ticket to visit top of Rockefeller Center
$25 to pay someone to cut his grass while he was gone
I would have paid for everything except for the above, and told him not to use hotel phone ever again.
Yep while I wouldn't have taken the taxi to/from the airport $60 for dinner sounds completely reasonable to me and I would be utterly shocked to hear a word about it if I expensed it.
Viper GTS
The thing that sucks about hiring morons is you always pay one way or the other. You either pay for all his idiot expenses on the business trip, or you deny him and have a disgruntled worker on your hand slacking off and stealing office supplies to make up the difference.
Originally posted by: Hacp
HAHAHAHAH this is too funny
seriously, who actually expects some of that shit in reimbursement?
and who sends off a low-paid employee to travel without telling them what expenses they will recoup after the trip?
i call double-fail, really. i worked for a half ass shitty company and when they booked us hotel rooms and gave me a company card, i was given a strict per diem for meals, unrestricted gasoline usage (field service crew) expense, amd told no other expenses would be covered.
The personal entertainment expenses are bs, and the tipping is a bit generous... but otherwise, who the fuck cares.
If the guy is worth anything at all (presumably at least worth the effort to fly out to the client...), the travel expenses will be a pittance compared to the time you guys charged the client for one of your guys to be with the client for a week.
And besides, where I work, most of those get passed straight through to the client anyway.
It sounds like you handled this with him pretty well given the policy.
If the guy is worth anything at all (presumably at least worth the effort to fly out to the client...), the travel expenses will be a pittance compared to the time you guys charged the client for one of your guys to be with the client for a week.
And besides, where I work, most of those get passed straight through to the client anyway.
It sounds like you handled this with him pretty well given the policy.
My company pays for transportation costs, bedding in a reasonably priced place, $12 each for lunch and breakfast, and $20 for dinner max. You go over, you pay it.
Then make sure to save your receipts and deduct the difference from your taxes. I'd tell a company to go screw themselves over that kind of insane travel policy.
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