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I'm going to guess that you don't subscribe to the early Monkey like beings that conceived "man".

Don't know? Is there 100% scientific proof either way? I personally like to believe I'm better than having come from a monkey? It would be a sad world if there is no God and we are just intelligent evolved apes that just die and turn into maggot food. I feel we have a spirit inside of us that is our being. Our bodies nothing more than transportation. What God is I don't know. What happens after death I'm not sure. To be closed minded about it is ignorant.
 

dud

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In 10 years of AT membership I've seen many "religion/God/Jesus" bashing threads. They come and go but over time they seem to have gotten more vicious and just plain mean. These types of threads are people's only avenue to vent to the world that they simply don't believe in something.

In 10 years I cannot remember reading an "athiest" bashing thread. Why? Because you cannot prove the existance of God ... you believe by faith. You CAN believe in atheism because it exists all around us. It is the rejection of belief.

Continue to make fun of and mock those who believe if it makes you feel better about yourselves.

I once asked (I can't remember who) what hell was. The answer I received will affect the rest of my life:

"Hell is the absence of God."


If true then this must be hell ...
 

shiner

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Don't know? Is there 100% scientific proof either way? I personally like to believe I'm better than having come from a monkey? It would be a sad world if there is no God and we are just intelligent evolved apes that just die and turn into maggot food. I feel we have a spirit inside of us that is our being. Our bodies nothing more than transportation. What God is I don't know. What happens after death I'm not sure. To be closed minded about it is ignorant.

So you're happier having come from dirt?
 

MJinZ

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Don't know? Is there 100% scientific proof either way? I personally like to believe I'm better than having come from a monkey? It would be a sad world if there is no God and we are just intelligent evolved apes that just die and turn into maggot food. I feel we have a spirit inside of us that is our being. Our bodies nothing more than transportation. What God is I don't know. What happens after death I'm not sure. To be closed minded about it is ignorant.

I don't know, some of the less evolved non-Asians sure look a lot like monkeys. :sneaky:

Look at Neanderthal brow ridge and hairy backs. George W Bush is a good example as well.
 
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totalnoob

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -Albert Einstein

Nice out of context quote there.. Einstein was referring to the "faith" scientists have that the universe is intelligible.. A poor comparison on his part considering all the evidence ever discovered points in that direction, which means little 'faith' is required to believe that. On the other hand, we don't have a shred of evidence for a magical being who reads minds and answers prayers..

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Drako

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I don't care what they may say
I don't care what they may do
I don't care what they may say
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
Jesus is just alright

Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright
 

GhettoPeanut

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Don't know? Is there 100% scientific proof either way? I personally like to believe I'm better than having come from a monkey? It would be a sad world if there is no God and we are just intelligent evolved apes that just die and turn into maggot food. I feel we have a spirit inside of us that is our being. Our bodies nothing more than transportation. What God is I don't know. What happens after death I'm not sure. To be closed minded about it is ignorant.

Why would it be sad? just becuase you believe that your so superior to everything else around you doesn't actually mean a damn thing. Get off your un-evolved high horse. You're going to die one day, get over it, have some fun. God(s) was(were) invented to help people feel superior to the world around them IMHO. I think we all just rot in the ground. you die, that's it. in a few generations it'll be as if you never existed. But you can't let it get you down. To much fun stuff to do like Tubing down a river.
 

BAMAVOO

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Nice out of context quote there.. Einstein was referring to the "faith" scientists have that the universe is intelligible.. A poor comparison on his part considering all the evidence ever discovered points in that direction, which means little 'faith' is required to believe that. On the other hand, we don't have a shred of evidence for a magical being who reads minds and answers prayers..



The following excerpt is taken from Dukas and Hofmann, pp. 32 - 33


I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being.


However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe — spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
 

BAMAVOO

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The following comes from "What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck,"The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17. The questions are posed by Viereck; the reply to each is by Einstein.


"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"

"Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus."

"Ludwig Lewisohn, in one of his recent books, claims that many of the sayings of Jesus paraphrase the sayings of other prophets."

"No man," Einstein replied, "can deny the fact that Jesus existed, nor that his sayings are beautiful. Even if some them have been said before, no one has expressed them so divinely as he."
 

child of wonder

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The following comes from "What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck,"The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17. The questions are posed by Viereck; the reply to each is by Einstein.


"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"

"Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus."

"Ludwig Lewisohn, in one of his recent books, claims that many of the sayings of Jesus paraphrase the sayings of other prophets."

"No man," Einstein replied, "can deny the fact that Jesus existed, nor that his sayings are beautiful. Even if some them have been said before, no one has expressed them so divinely as he."

And where does Einstein claim Jesus is the son of god and only through giving yourself to him can you receive eternal salvation?
 

BAMAVOO

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And where does Einstein claim Jesus is the son of god and only through giving yourself to him can you receive eternal salvation?

He doesn't, but wouldn't you rather have faith and believe, thus having eternal life? What do you give up? So, you stop drinking, you stop smoking, you stop cursing; is it not for the better? We all struggle with life everyday, noone is perfect, but it does help to have Jesus to cling to.
 

SlitheryDee

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Don't know? Is there 100% scientific proof either way? I personally like to believe I'm better than having come from a monkey? It would be a sad world if there is no God and we are just intelligent evolved apes that just die and turn into maggot food. I feel we have a spirit inside of us that is our being. Our bodies nothing more than transportation. What God is I don't know. What happens after death I'm not sure. To be closed minded about it is ignorant.

I don't know about the rest, but we are apes. If you consider a chimp to be an ape for certain physiological, morphological, and genetic reasons then you must consider us to be apes for the same physiological, morphological, and genetic reasons. Once you identify apes as a certain category of animal, you must include humans in that category because it's the only place we fit. You don't get a choice in that matter.

If you can't look at that fact and realize the necessity of a common ancestor then you are willfully ignoring the obvious. Or at least something that is obvious when the theory of evolution is one of the things you happen to have heard of.
 
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totalnoob

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He doesn't, but wouldn't you rather have faith and believe, thus having eternal life? What do you give up? So, you stop drinking, you stop smoking, you stop cursing; is it not for the better? We all struggle with life everyday, noone is perfect, but it does help to have Jesus to cling to.

Can you explain why one needs to believe in a magic zombie to do these things? Some of us don't need that crutch.
 

surfsatwerk

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Hold up... what in hell is wrong with drinking, smoking, and cursing? Sounds like this "god" is some bullshit con for a boring life.
 

BAMAVOO

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Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process. This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be “in between,” as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these “transitional forms,” as they are called, should be abundant. However, many fossil experts admit that not one unquestionable transitional form between any group of creatures and another has been found anywhere. If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else. However, there is no proof of this anywhere. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!
 

child of wonder

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He doesn't, but wouldn't you rather have faith and believe, thus having eternal life? What do you give up? So, you stop drinking, you stop smoking, you stop cursing; is it not for the better? We all struggle with life everyday, noone is perfect, but it does help to have Jesus to cling to.

A modification of Pascal's Wager.

I can manage my own life without any god. I am responsible for my decisions and actions. I do not need any gods to cling to in order to improve myself or better my life.
 

shiner

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Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process. This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be “in between,” as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these “transitional forms,” as they are called, should be abundant. However, many fossil experts admit that not one unquestionable transitional form between any group of creatures and another has been found anywhere. If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else. However, there is no proof of this anywhere. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!

Love is blind.
Ray Charles is blind.
Therefore Ray Charles is God.
 

child of wonder

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Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process. This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be “in between,” as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these “transitional forms,” as they are called, should be abundant. However, many fossil experts admit that not one unquestionable transitional form between any group of creatures and another has been found anywhere. If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else. However, there is no proof of this anywhere. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!

You do, of course, realize the terms "dinosaur," "reptile," "amphibian," etc. are man made designations to describe a grouping of animals that share enough common traits to classify them together under a single heading.

Richard Dawkins explained this well when he stated in his latest book that our designation "rabbit" today is that of what we recognize as the "standard rabbit." With each new generation of "rabbit" there are minute changes but, if we place a mother next to a daughter rabbit or a grandmother next to a granddaughter rabbit, we would not see enough changes to say one is a rabbit and one is not.

However, as you stretch the timeline out to hundreds and thousands of generations of rabbits the changes begin to pile up and the animal you categorized as "rabbit" in the beginning is now, after thousands of generations, so different you are forced to reclassify the animal as something else.
 

SlitheryDee

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Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process. This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be “in between,” as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these “transitional forms,” as they are called, should be abundant. However, many fossil experts admit that not one unquestionable transitional form between any group of creatures and another has been found anywhere. If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else. However, there is no proof of this anywhere. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!

That's utter bullshit. There are thousands of verified transitional forms in the fossil record. As a matter of fact, every animal alive now will someday be seen as a transitional form between something that came before it and something it's descendants will become. You want something that is part dinosaur and part something else? Here ya go.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx


Now if you're looking for a duckagator I think you need to adjust your expectations.