Originally posted by: BFG10K
I am no more biased today than I was then, which is "not at all"?
I don't know how biased you were in the past but your nVidia bias has been clearly visible ever since your fetish with the 5800U began about a year ago.
Err, I've never said anything untrue about 5800Us. All I've ever said is that up to 12X10 4X8X it's they are generally comparable to 9700Pros, on non DX9 games. (and that I like the engineering of them) You can believe me, if ATI was still making MAXXs I'd be all over them as well. For that matter, I was much
less biased than you.
I bought a 9700P (used 8 months) 5800 (used 2 months) 9800 Pro (used 7 months) 5800U (used 3 months)
So I actually knew what I was talking about. You used a 9700Pro for those two years and quoted articles as justification for your skewed exaggerations. :roll:
You're right, a year ago I said over and over that PS2 was irrelevant because there were no PS2 games.
But there were SM 2.0 games out already. The problem is that you dismissed them because you didn't like them, you don't stop to look at pixels and/or "smack smack smack, oohhh... ahhhh... shiny pipes".
Ironically you used the last "reason" on Far Cry but now you're claiming SM 3.0 matters because Far Cry is a good game and because the SM 3.0 patch is due.
No there weren't SM 2 games out last year, other than Wallet Raider: She Won't Go Where I Point Her. Like I said all along, there would be no relevant SM2 games until a year after the nV3X series were launched/available, and by the time there would be, new cards would make R300/nV3X irrelevant. The "shiny pipes" comment you refer to was made this April, a year after nV30 availability.
Rollo=Nostradamus BFG="Well, the games might have come out during the year and a half I needlessly pimped SM2"
So when ATi had the Far Cry advantage in SM 2.0 it was a crap game and didn't matter. But when nVidia potentially has the Far Cry advantage in SM 3.0 it's not only a good game but the fact that the patch isn't even out yet doesn't matter.
Jury's still out whether I like Far Cry, I just started it. It's a popular game though and I recognize that. It seems a lot better than my original opinion of the demo. (and I said at the time I only knew the demo was bad)
The cards that you can buy now far outperform the first gen PS2 parts.
Likewise the next gen cards will kill the current generation in SM 3.0 performance. Why then do you recommend nVidia?
There will be actual SM3 games that come out in the year I consider a vid cards life. Rollo=Nostradamus
For
sure there will be SM3 games out by the time the usefull life of the SLI nV40 is over. Rollo=Not in Denial
The difference with SM3 is there are two good games out right now (Far Cry/Painkiller) that will be patched to SM3 in a couple months.
There are
no SM 3.0 games at all right now. The only difference here is that your nVidia bias has caused you to do a complete 180 in your position.
LOL- it doesn't take much to guess the SM3 patches for two games sitting on my desk will probably be done a lot sooner than the year it took for a couple games to show up back when I made those comments.
There are nine more games in development that will be SM3, some of which will come out in the next year.
And?
And I'd like to hear the logic of why someone would deny themselves the ability to see what they're like in SM3, deny themselves the possibility of SLI power and longevity, for a few more frames at levels a few more don't matter. (and even that only on some games)
At the very high level of performance of the R420 and nV40 cards, I don't see a reason to deny yourself the ability to see what SM3 offers to get a few more frames at a level of performance you won't be able to tell the difference anyway.
And just how exactly would you know what the performance hit of running SM 3.0 would be? Do you have a link to a single game showing the difference between running SM 2.0 and SM 3.0 paths?
Who knows? I'm giving it a chance at least. If I bought a X800XT I might regret the choice as the games come out.
Likewise, why deny yourself the ability to run ATi under SM 2.0 and both double nVidia's SM 2.0 performance and marginally decrease from SM 1.x (I'm referring to the last gen)?
There weren't games BFG. Now that there are, my $300MSRP 6800, that some people are getting for $200, smacks a $400 9800XT around.
I don't see anything "biased" about that, it seems like common sense.
That's the problem - you don't see anything wrong with your behaviour. You also don't see anything wrong with your 5800U shenanigans and have somehow convinced yourself that what you did is normal behaviour.
LOL- my head hangs low for my crimes of liking to try video cards, especially enthusiast setups like SLI, MAXX, 5800U. LOL
I think it's deceptive ATI advised reviewers to disable it for comparison, and when called on their fraud, stated they consider their brilinear true trilinear.
Yet when nVidia secretly slipped in brilinear into all Direct3D games your answer was that you don't spend your days looking at still screenshots and instead play games.
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That is true, and remains true to this day. The only reasons I make a big deal about "Trylinear" is the 8,034,266X guys like you shoved brilinear down my throat as if it's some proof nVidia are Nazi war criminals. Damn skippy you're going to hear about it when your beloved, championed, put on pedestal Canadian Gods not only do the same thing but compound it by a. denying it b. telling reviewers to turn off nVidia optomizations c. refuse to remove it in their drivers.
Sue me for not just chuckling and saying,"What a wacky turn of events".
Yeah, I didn't mind pointing that out at all.
BTW- I got GnR Live Era yesterday, if you don't have it, it's worth your money. Brings back a lot of good memories of my own youth.
Please take no offense at the "heated" debate, it reads more hostile than I mean it to.
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