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If you could have either the x800 xt pe or 6800 ultra which would you take?

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Zebo
X800XTPE- faster, quieter, smaller, less power, and cheaper. In other words it wins the price to performance ratio which every smart consumer adhears to.

Edit BTW is'nt the Ultra Extreme a little more fair of a question?
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Did you read the thread title?


So if you were a multibillionaire, you would still buy a Geo Metro rather than a Corvette because it's cheaper and gets better mileage?
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You got it.

Altough I drive an F-350 with diesel cause it gets good milage and pulls our toys. That would'nt change. Keep in mind a car or a video card is a tool not a toy to me. Nothing more nothing less. And all tool purchasing desions are based on indenitifing my needs and finding the absolute lowest cost product to fill that need.
 
X800XT-PE

1. Because 3Dc is actually quite a striking technology, and can produce significant graphical benefits over non-3Dc. (see Serious Sam 2 development photos if you dont believe me).
2. Because I can actually buy it.
3. I really dislike nVidia marketing (Hey I'm being honest, you did ask).
 
Doom 3 and games based on it's engine should run better on 6800U
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I'd say these days they'd be very close since both can render 32 z/stencil ops per cycle. nVidia may have the edge because of OpenGL but Catalyst 4.7 has promised faster OpenGL performance so it's all speculation at this point.

Here's a car analogy for BFG:
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Why are you telling me? I haven't made a decision yet because neither vendor has convinced me that their product is the one I should go with.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Doom 3 and games based on it's engine should run better on 6800U
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I'd say these days they'd be very close since both can render 32 z/stencil ops per cycle. nVidia may have the edge because of OpenGL but Catalyst 4.7 has promised faster OpenGL performance so it's all speculation at this point.

Here's a car analogy for BFG:
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Why are you telling me? I haven't made a decision yet because neither vendor has convinced me that their product is the one I should go with.
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I'm telling you because I like to kid you. I would think you would be all about the 6800 BFG, just to have the most advanced tech if for no other reason.

I'm also sticking to my admittedly speculative assertion that Doom3 is going to play better on nVidia, just a hunch. ATI has never been as good at OpenGL, I'll have to see it to believe it.
 
ATI's 64-bit drivers have no OpenGL support (Anandtech article)
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Sure they do, OpenGL 64bit apps work fine with the beta 64bit driver. It's 32bit apps that have an issue with the 64bit drivers, replacing it with the 32bit OpenGL driver fixes the 32bit OpenGL apps. The workaround was posted here at AT Link

They are beta drivers on a beta OS.
 
If money is not an issue, I'd choose the 6800Ultra cuz:
(1) It has a wider and richer feature set. It will be a longer investment.
(2) It offers excellent performance. Since I'm human, I can't see the difference between 130fps and 150fps. I don't care. So, the 6800Ultra is still good.
(3) It can be easily OC'ed on the core with a watercooling setup which I already have. Like the special BFG edition, I can OC it 450-475MHZ range probably.
(4) Better drivers.
 
Originally posted by: Optimummind
If money is not an issue, I'd choose the 6800Ultra cuz:
(1) It has a wider and richer feature set. It will be a longer investment.

Assuming those features take place in games

(2) It offers excellent performance. Since I'm human, I can't see the difference between 130fps and 150fps. I don't care. So, the 6800Ultra is still good.

Speaking of investment, You will see a differnce between 30 and 50 FPS a year from now when software comes to cripple these cards. some more than others. since one is already faster at "150" expect it to be faster later as well. time/performance = investment defined.

(3) It can be easily OC'ed on the core with a watercooling setup which I already have. Like the special BFG edition, I can OC it 450-475MHZ range probably.

And you can OC the other as well.

(4) Better drivers.

Ahhh...The infamous better nVidia drivers which I've never heard any professional reviewer claim. Nor do they claim ATI's are worse. Sounds like fud just like the supossed superoity of intel chipsets... I believe it when it's demonstrated.
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Originally posted by: Rollo
I'd take a 6800U of these two because:
1. The X800XT can't do anything a 6800U can't do as well or close to it. (unless you want to count partial
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Say hello to, 3Dc.
 
to the OP:

from every picture ive seen current generation waterblocks will only work on the X800. so that decided for me, even though im tantilized by the thought of a NF3 250 ultra and a 6800U. nvidia for some reason rerouted one trace to the memory in a zigzag to cover the hole. take my word or not, im way to tired to post all the links, but look at the back of all the 6800s at newegg. they have at least 4 different cards that have the missing mounting hole. i cant remember where i found the high res upclose pics, but im sure it was in a run of the mill 6800 review.

just passing on some info to other watercoolers out there.

i know BFG is making a watercooled card and im sure gainward is too. thats not my cup of tea though

Edit: after much research it appears as though i can use my waterblock on a 6800, just not with the original mounting hardware.

Regards,
Y.A.F.
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I would pick the 6800 ultra because the x800 xt pe is just slightly faster 9800! 😉

When SM3.0 games become available all you x800 owners with your technologically obsolete x800's will be wishing you had a 6800.
 
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I would pick the 6800 ultra because the x800 xt pe is just slightly faster 9800! 😉

When SM3.0 games become available all you x800 owners with your technologically obsolete x800's will be wishing you had a 6800.
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no we won't, it's not that big of a deal. tell me, what exaclty will i be missing? or better yet, show me. oh.. you can't back up your claim? imagine that 😛

in general, more features are certainly a good thing, however sm3 just isn't that big of a deal - it really offers nothing new, but no sense beating a dead horse, this subject has been discussed to death already...

while i would have preferred ati supported sm3, i sincerely doubt i'll be at a loss without it.
 
i'd say with the lackluster detonator support recently, i'd rather go with the catalyst department.
 
Too early to tell, as they are soooo close. In the last gen go-around it was ATI's slightly better IQ and performance with eye candy on that swayed me their way. Now that nVidia seems to have gotten that on track, it's a non-issue in my mind.

Temporal AA, SM3, or any of that jazz will not play a huge role in my decision unitl I see it's a plus rather than a maybe. Arguments about 420 being 3 year old tech doesn't factor either ( a kicka$$ chipset is a kick$$ chipset no matter how old the tech is. would you pass on a 427 cobra made 35 years years ago that can wipe the floor with most of todays cars, just 'cause it wasn't made yesterday?). Both seem to o'clock fairly well.

And the topic won't let price be a factor, so, let me get out my quarter:

ATI
ATI
nVidia
ATI
nVidia
nVidia
ATI
nVidia
nVidia
nVidia
ATI
nVidia
ATI
ATI

I see this is going nowhere fast.
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Rollo
I'd take a 6800U of these two because:
1. The X800XT can't do anything a 6800U can't do as well or close to it. (unless you want to count partial
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Say hello to, 3Dc.
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Hmmm. The posts I've read say 3Dc is a joke, why should I say Hi to it?
 
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I would pick the 6800 ultra because the x800 xt pe is just slightly faster 9800! 😉

When SM3.0 games become available all you x800 owners with your technologically obsolete x800's will be wishing you had a 6800.
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no we won't, it's not that big of a deal. tell me, what exaclty will i be missing? or better yet, show me. oh.. you can't back up your claim? imagine that 😛

in general, more features are certainly a good thing, however sm3 just isn't that big of a deal - it really offers nothing new, but no sense beating a dead horse, this subject has been discussed to death already...

while i would have preferred ati supported sm3, i sincerely doubt i'll be at a loss without it.
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Yes you will be left behind but it's okay because I am sure the half life 2 voucher will make up for owning a video card which ONLY supports SM2.0! 😀
 
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