If you could have either the x800 xt pe or 6800 ultra which would you take?
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nitromullet
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I'd take a 6800U of these two because:
1. The X800XT can't do anything a 6800U can't do as well or close to it. (unless you want to count partial precision)
2. The 6800U can do many things a X800XT can't do, which may be usefull within it's lifespan.
3. Doom 3 and games based on it's engine should run better on 6800U
The X800XT PE is a fine card as well, but it lacks the feature set of the 6800 series, and only gives you a little more speed at times that doesn't matter much at the level of performance of these cards.
Here's a car analogy for BFG:
If you can have a CamaroZ28 or a MustangGT, and one goes 130mph and the other 140mph, how much does that matter? But if one had a stereo that sounded twice as good as the other....
1. The X800XT can't do anything a 6800U can't do as well or close to it. (unless you want to count partial precision)
2. The 6800U can do many things a X800XT can't do, which may be usefull within it's lifespan.
3. Doom 3 and games based on it's engine should run better on 6800U
The X800XT PE is a fine card as well, but it lacks the feature set of the 6800 series, and only gives you a little more speed at times that doesn't matter much at the level of performance of these cards.
Here's a car analogy for BFG:
If you can have a CamaroZ28 or a MustangGT, and one goes 130mph and the other 140mph, how much does that matter? But if one had a stereo that sounded twice as good as the other....
it would depend on what it cost me... if one were simply being 'given' to me, i'd take the ultra, but since currently most are well over $500, i'm waiting on a $435 XT.
that being said, at this point it's looking like i'll also get a GT (specifically a BFG - that company's customer service rocks), as the early indications are it's going to provide almost all the performance of an ultra, at a far more reasonable cost.
your analogy should read, "But if one had a stereo that might sound twice as good before newer, faster models make both cars somewhat obsolete....
you would then also have to consider who could deliver the car first, as well as whether one or the other is being sold well above sticker price.
if deliver and cost were the same however, i'd take the one with the most features and most potential (current performance being similar, of course).
Two people in a race, one has the 140mph car and one has the 130mph car. When more speed critically matters, even the smallest amount of extra power can really help in some rare situations. Therefore the hardcore and serious racer might go with the faster car that doesn?t have the bells and whistles.
Here?s a scenario, your playing your favorite game and many players come on to the screen at once. The FPS instantly drops, but the faster card manages to slightly stay ahead, hence, making the situation slightly better. For most people this doesn?t matter, but for some, like me, it does. So, I'd go for the XT PE. Again, that's just my opinion.
Schadenfroh
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The fact of the matter is there isn't enough difference in these cards performance to make a difference, and he said cost was irrelevant.
I would take the 6800U because ATI's OpenGL support really sucks balls. Stop by the Rage3D forum and look at how many people can't get higher than 20fps in Quake2, NWN, KOTOR, and CS. Another problem with ATI is that the drivers do not always see the video card. There are a lot of posts in that Rage3D forum about people not being able to install drivers for their X800.
Generally Opengl games seem to be less GPU demanding as well. So while ATI might not be as good as Nvidia at games like Call of Duty, you're still getting loads of FPS even at the highest settings. Doom 3 might be demanding, but I don't think it will be as stressing as Farcry is.
Whomever makes the quietest one. Performance of either card would be fine for me. But I must admit that I do like the fact that ATI consumes less power..... Also would like some reviews that state that Nvidia driver glitches are solved. Also today I saw an oem sapphire x800xt (does this mean non pe?) for sale $680.00 Canadian - cheapest price yet. Competition is good.
A few days ago I tested my GF2 Ti against my 9600XT in Neverwinter Nights: SOU. All in-game settings were at their highest (except antialiasing), AA was off, AF was 2x quality. Resolution was 1024x768. Setup was an Athlon 3200+, 1gb RAM.
GF2 Ti
average: 27.8
minimum: 9
maximum: 39
Radeon 9600XT
average: 36.2
minimum: 8
maximum: 60
That is pathetic performance for a card that should be at least 4x as fast.
quake 2 performance sucks
"Yeah, even on my X800pro the performance is pretty bad. I'm gonna be submitting a bug report on it since I got a chance to try it out after a fresh install of windows and Quake2."
KOTOR performance sucks
"i replaced a 9800 pro where i was avg roughly 30 fps no AA 2x AF 1024x768.now with the x800 in heavily populated bars or cantinas as low as 6 fps! no matter what i turn on or off in the game settings.I am assumming this must be a driver issue."
MOH performance sucks
"When they all seen how my was running even my pal with a geforce2mx400 was like omfg at the lagginess"
Shall I continue?
Please do, makes me feel good to see someone is getting poorer performance from an x800pro than I do with a 9700pro. As they say most driver problems are 2 feet from the windshield.
:beer:
Alrighty then
General rant about OpenGL performance
More NWN ranting
"I just dusted off NWN, since we're nearing completion of IWD, and fired it up. LORD DOES IT SUCK WITH A RADEON!"
ATI's 64-bit drivers have no OpenGL support (Anandtech article)
"One thing that needs to be mentioned right off the bat is OpenGL support. While we could run most of the OpenGL based games that we had on NVIDIA hardware, ATI's drivers couldn't load up a single OpenGL based game that we tested. While just about everything here is pre-release beta software, the fact that Warcraft III (which ran fine under DirectX) couldn't start up in OpenGL mode seems to indicate that it isn't a game support issue, but an API support issue."
It appears that Rage3D is upgrading the forums. When trying a search it says this:
This is it... vB3 here we come. *crosses fingers* - Ichy
This is it... vB3 here we come. *crosses fingers* - Ichy
I will take whichever one that somebody gives me for free. Otherwise, I'm not spending $400+ for a video card that'll be outperformed by a refresh in about 3 months.
Did you read the thread title?
So if you were a multibillionaire, you would still buy a Geo Metro rather than a Corvette because it's cheaper and gets better mileage?
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