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sdifox

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I don't know if it does. How does it solve material needs? What do you mean by material needs? Things like basic material needs such as clean water, a steady food supply, and basic electrical services or does it go beyond that? What is basic for you and is that different for someone else?

It is for sure a great thought experiment. I'm just throwing these thoughts out there so don't take it personally. I'm just genuinely curious.
When you can replicate anything you want, why would you commit theft or robbery? Say you like diamonds, after replicating a 10,000 carat diamond, would you bother to make more?

You are still going to have emotion related crimes, but there is no fixing that.
 

bbhaag

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When you can replicate anything you want, why would you commit theft or robbery? Say you like diamonds, after replicating a 10,000 carat diamond, would you bother to make more?

You are still going to have emotion related crimes, but there is no fixing that.
What if I don't want a replicated diamond or a replicated 1967 Shelby Cobra with a 427? What if I want the OG? We have replicated diamonds right now but yet some people still insist that those are not real and insist on buying ones mined from the Earth.
 

sdifox

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What if I don't want a replicated diamond or a replicated 1967 Shelby Cobra with a 427? What if I want the OG? We have replicated diamonds right now but yet some people still insist that those are not real and insist on buying ones mined from the Earth.
There is no cure for stupidity. Diamonds are artificially kept out of people's hands to prop up its price.

 
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bbhaag

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There is no cure for stupidity. Diamonds are artificially kept out of people's hands to prop up its price.
See it gets more complicated than that. What if I could replicate Najeonchilgi. Would you be ok purchasing a replication made by a machine or would you prefer something more authentic?
 

sdifox

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See it gets more complicated than that. What if I could replicate Najeonchilgi. Would you be ok purchasing a replication made by a machine or would you prefer something more authentic?
I wouldn't be purchasing. I would be replicating. Not that I am interested in lacquerware. When you can reproduce items identical on the molecular level, value is out of the window.
 
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bbhaag

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I wouldn't be purchasing. I would be replicating. Not that I am interested in lacquerware.
My Najeonchilgi is better than yours because mine is authentic. Mine was produced in 600 AD by Korean artists who are renowned for producing some of the best the world has ever known.
 

sdifox

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My Najeonchilgi is better than yours because mine is authentic. Mine was produced in 600 AD by Korean artists who are renowned for producing some of the best the world has ever known.
LoL whatever makes you happy. I have no interest in lacquerware. Pretty sure we had lacquerware class in elementary arts and craft when I was a kid in Taiwan.
 
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bbhaag

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LoL whatever makes you happy. I have no interest in lacquerware.
It's not about making me happy. What is the value of something if it could just be replicated? In a way we have already replicated valuable objects such as diamonds or lacquerware so what does that mean going forward?

What I have been posting is just a thought experiment so take it for what it is worth.
 

sdifox

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It's not about making me happy. What is the value of something if it could just be replicated? In a way we have already replicated valuable objects such as diamonds or lacquerware so what does that mean going forward?

This is just a thought experiment so take it for what it is worth.
That is the entire point, when something no longer has value, you have no craving for it.
 

nakedfrog

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It's not about making me happy. What is the value of something if it could just be replicated? In a way we have already replicated valuable objects such as diamonds or lacquerware so what does that mean going forward?

What I have been posting is just a thought experiment so take it for what it is worth.
But it is about making you happy. It makes you happier to know you have an ancient artifact, most people would be satisfied having an identical item.
If I could choose between having a brand new, replicated 1967 Shelby Cobra with a 427 or a vintage one, I would take the brand new one because it eliminates all those inherent issues with a vehicle's age, all the rubber bits, aged wiring, etc.
 

bbhaag

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But it is about making you happy. It makes you happier to know you have an ancient artifact, most people would be satisfied having an identical item.
If I could choose between having a brand new, replicated 1967 Shelby Cobra with a 427 or a vintage one, I would take the brand new one because it eliminates all those inherent issues with a vehicle's age, all the rubber bits, aged wiring, etc.
I could totally see that working for the majority of people but there will always be people who want the OG. So then how do those people pay for it if money doesn't exist like was eluded to on the previous page when sdifox facetiously accused me of not being a ST fan because money does not exist in the ST universe?

Perhaps they could trade for said item but then that would go against the whole working for free for self fulfillment for the betterment of mankind.

Like I said in the post that you quoted. We have to a certain extent already replicated high value items such as diamonds but yet the higher value is still on the mined ones versus the replicated.

Anyway, it is any interesting thought experiment for sure but I do not see humanity as a whole working for free for the betterment of humanity anytime soon. I mean you have to look at the last 5,000 years of humanity as an example. It was either slave labor, trading one good for another, or some type of currency like coins or paper bank notes. Which are surprisingly a relatively new thing as far as human history goes. Even using coins as currency is kind of middle of the road in the time frame of human history. For the most part it has either been slave labor or trading one good for another and that includes people to because for most of human history they were a commodity to.
 

bbhaag

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Sentimental value items, sure. But do you really care about a car all that much?
No, I don't care about a car all that much it was just an example or metaphor for the sake of the thought experiment. Same with the lacquerware.

Kind of how you thought that "Having access to almost limitless energy is a very big dream. But it does solve material needs problem." and I countered with what kind of material needs? You still didn't answer that question or the one I posed about how your material needs might be different than say your neighbors.
 

nakedfrog

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Like I said in the post that you quoted. We have to a certain extent already replicated high value items such as diamonds but yet the higher value is still on the mined ones versus the replicated.
That's 100% marketing at work.
Anyway, it is any interesting thought experiment for sure but I do not see humanity as a whole working for free for the betterment of humanity anytime soon. I mean you have to look at the last 5,000 years of humanity as an example. It was either slave labor, trading one good for another, or some type of currency like coins or paper bank notes. Which are surprisingly a relatively new thing as far as human history goes. Even using coins as currency is kind of middle of the road in the time frame of human history. For the most part it has either been slave labor or trading one good for another and that includes people to because for most of human history they were a commodity to.
That's getting into a whole mess of resource scarcity and colonialism and capitalism and tribalism.
 
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I would like a cargo van, mainly so I could put a mattress in the back and have a bed on wheels so I could travel and always have a place to sleep.
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My apartment doesn't allow RVs in the parking lot, also I think a RV is a little hard to park in the street do to its size. And I think riding a RV is very unprofessional, it makes you look homeless.
Don't live in an RV if you're not about that lifestyle. It's probably also more expensive than it might seem given parking restrictions, maintenance and upkeep (including fuel), and all the other logistics that would come into play (mail forwarding, loss of privacy, upfront purchasing costs...).
 

bbhaag

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That's getting into a whole mess of resource scarcity and colonialism and capitalism and tribalism.
Oh for sure that is why I said on Friday "It is for sure a great thought experiment." because IMO an almost limitless energy would not solve those problems. At least not right away. Who knows how long it would take. 200 years, 500, 1,000? Who knows that is why I posed it more as a thought experiment more than a literal interpretation of my words.

Anyway, I guess I did a poor job of putting my thoughts into words.
 

lxskllr

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Oh for sure that is why I said on Friday "It is for sure a great thought experiment." because IMO an almost limitless energy would not solve those problems. At least not right away. Who knows how long it would take. 200 years, 500, 1,000? Who knows that is why I posed it more as a thought experiment more than a literal interpretation of my words.

Anyway, I guess I did a poor job of putting my thoughts into words.
This is what I wrote elsewhere...

The whole Federation thing is really glossed over, and kind of falls apart if you think about it. I keep running into showstopping bugs when I try to flesh it out.

I guess everyone gets east bloc housing by default? Who gets the Château Picard? Maybe I want a château. Does that mean I have to make wine for the Federation, or can I rip out the vines and plant trees? How special do I have to be to get the special house?
 

sdifox

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No, I don't care about a car all that much it was just an example or metaphor for the sake of the thought experiment. Same with the lacquerware.

Kind of how you thought that "Having access to almost limitless energy is a very big dream. But it does solve material needs problem." and I countered with what kind of material needs? You still didn't answer that question or the one I posed about how your material needs might be different than say your neighbors.
Any and all material need can be addressed with the replicator, except for gold pressed Latinum. But that is really more of a Ferengi thing.

 
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Don't live in an RV if you're not about that lifestyle. It's probably also more expensive than it might seem given parking restrictions, maintenance and upkeep (including fuel), and all the other logistics that would come into play (mail forwarding, loss of privacy, upfront purchasing costs...).
Cause London is drowning and I live (in a van!) down by the river
 

bbhaag

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This is what I wrote elsewhere...

The whole Federation thing is really glossed over, and kind of falls apart if you think about it. I keep running into showstopping bugs when I try to flesh it out.

I guess everyone gets east bloc housing by default? Who gets the Château Picard? Maybe I want a château. Does that mean I have to make wine for the Federation, or can I rip out the vines and plant trees? How special do I have to be to get the special house?
So I'm not a huge ST fan more of a fair weather fan so I did not remember if Château Picard is actually a thing in the ST universe.

Turns out it is and someone has turned it into a real thing. I can buy a bottle of Chateau Picard 2386 for the low price of $60 plus shipping. LOL...wow...

Chateau_Front_800x.jpg
 
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sdifox

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So I'm not a huge ST fan more of a fair weather fan so I did not remember if Château Picard is actually a thing in the ST universe.

Turns out it is and someone has turned it into a real thing. I can buy a bottle of Chateau Picard 2386 for the low price of $60 plus shipping. LOL...wow...

Chateau_Front_800x.jpg

Apparently, the very real Chateau Picard produced the wine (label) for the Trekkies.

 
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