Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
If I set a budget that high, I sure could think of better AVR's to buy IMHO. The Elite's are not junk so don't get me wrong.
LOL, go ahead and list the AVRs then.
And I'll let you in on a little secret, no you can't.
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NAD, Arcam, have a nice day.
😀 You and I have different ideas for a AVR, to me the only thing I care about is SQ, I see you use it for video also, so we will never agree on which are better. I feel both NAD and Arcam produce better SQ, that's why I said I could do better in that price range. I bet if we both had unlimited budget we would also come up with different choices, of course mine would be better though. :laugh:
LOL, I love how you say, "better" AVR and then you try and backpedal by saying sound quality is the only thing you are concerned about. If that was the case, you should have made that clear in your first statement. Only after my reply did you try and backpedal out by saying you are only concerned with SQ. :roll:
The fact is, NAD and Arcom products are great for audio. However, the Pioneer Elite SC-05 and SC-07 are amazing all around AVRs. The HDMI is untouched (no processing) so what you get is up to the source. In my case, for video, you don't get any better at any price range. The HDMI switching is also flawless (well it could always be faster, but that technology isn't here yet). As for audio, the SC series do a great job powered by their ICE amps and nice DACs. But when deciding on an AVR or pre/pro, you have to take a few thing into consideration:
1) What are you going to be using it for? Music, movies.
2) What speakers are you going to use (some speakers require more power to drive than others)?
3) The size of the room.
For me, the SC-07 was the perfect fit. It has a great balance between video and audio. I'm not using the receiver for the audio though. The audio source is the 09FD connected via its analog connections. This utilizes the player amazing audio output, and quite honestly, you are going to need a MUCH more expensive set up to surpass what I already have. And the extra cost would come in higher end AMPs and larger, higher end speakers, which is something I don't need in my current set up. The Elites' ICE amps are PLENTY for the room they are being used in. I'd actually say they are overkill for me. If I had different speakers, a larger room and high end projector, I'd recommend a different AVR or pre/pro. But what I have now, I chose for a reason. And no, you can't do better for less. The only thing you can do is
maybe be on par. I'm talking about the whole package here. You can't say, "yes I can do better for less" and then only be better in one area. If all you wanted was audio (2 channel to be more specific), NAD is a great choice and cheaper. But for an all around HT set up, the Pioneer Elite receivers are hard to beat in its price range. Hell even much higher end systems will have problems outperforming a Pioneer SC receiver and 09FD combo.
And by "come up with" a high end system with an unlimited budget? You mean type on your computer and list high end components? Wow, that is amazing! There aren't very many people that can type that kind of information into a computer and post it on a forum. :roll: Unfortunately for you, typing is all you'll be doing. I'll actually be
enjoying a nice system.
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