If you are divorced, have a teenage daughter who is pregnant and a subscription to internet porn...

[Phokus]

No big surprise, red states are chock full of hypocrisy. Oh no, gay marriage will bring down our nation! *ignores everything else straight people do*

Maybe if conservatives started teach real sex-ed instead of abstinence only education, they could start to get that teen prego thing down.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Phokus
No big surprise, red states are chock full of hypocrisy. Oh no, gay marriage will bring down our nation! *ignores everything else straight people do*

Maybe if conservatives started teach real sex-ed instead of abstinence only education, they could start to get that teen prego thing down.

So have you looked at any statistics to determine just what happens, to whom, and when?

Explain how "abstinence only" (which I think is silly) had any significant impact on black teen pregnancy rates, where in Arkansas (Hey a McCain state- he must have done it) a staggering 3/4 of black children are born to single moms. Do you think they listened to McCain? Do you think they couldn't get contraception?

Like your extreme right counterparts many here aren't interested in truth and how things are in the real world. They just have to find any excuse to attack.

In that they are complete failures at rational thought. Both sides could make credible arguments for their positions or raise credible objections. Instead we get this stuff.

That's why both sides are marginalized leaving the rest of us to wade through all the crap trying to figure out what things are what.

 

[DealMonkey]

Surely this "blowchart" tells us something. What is it? Come on people, think!

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepa...06/27/opinion/20090627blowchart.html

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Here?s some correlation for you.

Poor states have higher rates of these things and the Republican states are typically poorer than the Democrat states.

Kahlifornia begs to differ!





Yeah, I know you said typically, but can't control myself.

california is both one of the richest states and consistently liberal, do you have a point or were you just combining words to make a sentence?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is about as meaningful as saying if you're a poor black person you voted for Obama. Two pretty isoteric and vapid statistics to demonize a group of people. I'm not surprised techs latched onto it like a blood-starved leech sucking on a warm nut sack it found itself next to but I am surprised that NY times found relevance in it.

I spend some time on a forum that is so far right leaning it's amazing that they can make left hand turns when they drive. They do precisely the same things. They pull statistics right out of their butts, invent wonderful straw men, practice being critical government when they embraced their own party but excoriate it now that government isn't what they wanted.

In short it's a lot like what I see here, but just directed at the opposite side.

I like to slap them beside the head too

your argument to techs only applied to about 5 states. look at the ones at the top:

wyoming, ok, idaho, west virginia, Kentucky, tennesee, utah, northdakota

none of those have substantial black-liberal-minorities to blame this on. your argument only really applies to ark, mississippi, lousiniana, alabama and Georgia, and if you seriously think that all those things are problems only for black people, then i have an excellent banana plantation to sell you in north dakota.

 

[dyna]

Chances are you will have higher divorce, pregnancy rates in states where there are greater percentages of heterosexuals.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Not even surprised. All the teen/out of wedlock pregnancies on my mothers side of the family have been from the most "devout" religious right families. The forbidden fruit is that much more enticing when you have someone constantly fearing you away from it.

Are you saying that nationally, the religious are more likely to have children out of wedlock?

Stats, stat!

What is being said is that some people need a God to tell them not to rob, rape and murder thier neighbors.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is about as meaningful as saying if you're a poor black person you voted for Obama. Two pretty isoteric and vapid statistics to demonize a group of people. I'm not surprised techs latched onto it like a blood-starved leech sucking on a warm nut sack it found itself next to but I am surprised that NY times found relevance in it.

I spend some time on a forum that is so far right leaning it's amazing that they can make left hand turns when they drive. They do precisely the same things. They pull statistics right out of their butts, invent wonderful straw men, practice being critical government when they embraced their own party but excoriate it now that government isn't what they wanted.

In short it's a lot like what I see here, but just directed at the opposite side.

I like to slap them beside the head too

your argument to techs only applied to about 5 states. look at the ones at the top:

wyoming, ok, idaho, west virginia, Kentucky, tennesee, utah, northdakota

none of those have substantial black-liberal-minorities to blame this on. your argument only really applies to ark, mississippi, lousiniana, alabama and Georgia, and if you seriously think that all those things are problems only for black people, then i have an excellent banana plantation to sell you in north dakota.

And I bet that if you look at the other states you would find a greater link to economics and such. There are no doubt a number of factors which can be found from information which is out there. I've found some, I'm not particularly inclined to find out everything about all states for you. Nevertheless, I'd wager that if you were to find the main reason, it wouldn't be because those states voted for McCain. Would you like to take me up on that bet?

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Not even surprised. All the teen/out of wedlock pregnancies on my mothers side of the family have been from the most "devout" religious right families. The forbidden fruit is that much more enticing when you have someone constantly fearing you away from it.

Are you saying that nationally, the religious are more likely to have children out of wedlock?

Stats, stat!

Well considering the majority of the U.S. is religious.....

How can you even "measure" religion? There's no way to objectively determine religiosity or dedication. People don't practice their beliefs anymore; the only "religion" America has today is tradition.

 

[seemingly random]

This http://www.nytimes.com/imagepa...20090627blowchart.html is pretty scary. Among other things, it tells me that there are people out there that have subscriptions to porn sites. Apparently, this spans parties. If someone can't find enough free porn to satiate themselves, we've got big problems.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Not even surprised. All the teen/out of wedlock pregnancies on my mothers side of the family have been from the most "devout" religious right families. The forbidden fruit is that much more enticing when you have someone constantly fearing you away from it.

Are you saying that nationally, the religious are more likely to have children out of wedlock?

Stats, stat!

Well considering the majority of the U.S. is religious.....

How can you even "measure" religion? There's no way to objectively determine religiosity or dedication. People don't practice their beliefs anymore; the only "religion" America has today is tradition.

In America we have something called a "Census", we ask you if you are religious, what religion you are, etc... and this gives us measurable facts.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: alchemize
If you're a high school drop out, have multiple babies by multiple mothers, and have a criminal record you probably tried to vote for Obama/Biden but GOP-aligned bus services drove you in circle all election day.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
This http://www.nytimes.com/imagepa...20090627blowchart.html is pretty scary. Among other things, it tells me that there are people out there that have subscriptions to porn sites. Apparently, this spans parties. If someone can't find enough free porn to satiate themselves, we've got big problems.

QFT

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Ummm... Alaska doesn't have "strongly religious right policies".

Utah, yeah. Mississippi, probably. The rest of them I don't see as being run by the church. They're just conservatives. But but for some reason you Castro huggin' lefties seem to insist on putting conservatism and religion into the same blender... like a bad margarita.

It doesn't work that way.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Ummm... Alaska doesn't have "strongly religious right policies".

Utah, yeah. Mississippi, probably. The rest of them I don't see as being run by the church. They're just conservatives. But but for some reason you Castro huggin' lefties seem to insist on putting conservatism and religion into the same blender... like a bad margarita.

It doesn't work that way.

Gee. No clue why anyone would think that cons = fundies = repugs. No. For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone could make that leap. Well, unless you have watched any tv or read about any political positions in the last 15 years.

You might wish this wasn't true but maybe you should wake and smell the ...

btw, I know you can to do better than castro huggin'. That's so sixties.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Ummm... Alaska doesn't have "strongly religious right policies".

Utah, yeah. Mississippi, probably. The rest of them I don't see as being run by the church. They're just conservatives. But but for some reason you Castro huggin' lefties seem to insist on putting conservatism and religion into the same blender... like a bad margarita.

It doesn't work that way.

Gee. No clue why anyone would think that cons = fundies = repugs. No. For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone could make that leap. Well, unless you have watched any tv or read about any political positions in the last 15 years.

You might wish this wasn't true but maybe you should wake and smell the ...

btw, I know you can to do better than castro huggin'. That's so sixties.

Does Castro even like hugs?

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Not even surprised. All the teen/out of wedlock pregnancies on my mothers side of the family have been from the most "devout" religious right families. The forbidden fruit is that much more enticing when you have someone constantly fearing you away from it.

Are you saying that nationally, the religious are more likely to have children out of wedlock?

Stats, stat!

Yes, because they are less likely to get an abortion, due to their brainwashing.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Ummm... Alaska doesn't have "strongly religious right policies".

Utah, yeah. Mississippi, probably. The rest of them I don't see as being run by the church. They're just conservatives. But but for some reason you Castro huggin' lefties seem to insist on putting conservatism and religion into the same blender... like a bad margarita.

It doesn't work that way.

It is not just the lefties that insist on putting the two together....its republicans themselves. They have been reaching for the religious vote for awhile now. You would have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.

If the party dumped the religious lunatics and went back to being strict upholders of the constitution, they would have my vote.

 

[Trevelyan]

Anyone here care to actually read the sources for these statistics for themselves?

If so, here is the study (used for the graph in the article) on teenage birth rates and abortions by the Guttmacher Institute: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs...e_pregnancy_trends.pdf

I took the liberty of using these statistics to present another trend.

Here are the 10 states with the highest abortion rates, along with the candidate they voted for:

1) New Jersey <- Obama
2) New York <- Obama
3) Maryland <- Obama
4) Nevada <- Obama
5) California <- Obama
6) Hawaii <- Obama
7) Florida <- Obama
8) Delaware <- Obama
9) Connecticut <- Obama
10) Illinois <- Obama

So what does this prove? That liberals like killing babies? That liberal policies on abortion will actually lead to more abortions, not less? That people who vote for Obama are more likely to get an abortion themselves?

No. It proves nothing. It only shows that statistics can be found to prove any point if you just look hard enough. These kinds of things are simply insulting to my intelligence. It lacks credible or thoughtful research. And furthermore, it just distracts people from real issues and enables them to stereotype, label and group one another.

 

[Trevelyan]

As a followup, yes, I am suggesting that the statistics in the graph are purposefully misleading.

For instance, Nevada (blue state) is listed on the chart as the 8th highest for teenage birthrate. However, Nevada is ranked #1 for teenage pregnancy. The reason for the drop is because of the large number of abortions in the state.

If the chart wanted to be honest, it should rank the states by teenage pregnancy, not teenage birthrate. But then the "journalist" wouldn't be able to make his point because the facts would get in the way...

This is the kind of misleading presentation of facts that I find absolutely irresponsible.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Ummm... Alaska doesn't have "strongly religious right policies".

Utah, yeah. Mississippi, probably. The rest of them I don't see as being run by the church. They're just conservatives. But but for some reason you Castro huggin' lefties seem to insist on putting conservatism and religion into the same blender... like a bad margarita.

It doesn't work that way.

The irony is you complain about lefties connecting conservatives and religion yet you just connected lefties to Castro.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282[/i]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Not even surprised. All the teen/out of wedlock pregnancies on my mothers side of the family have been from the most "devout" religious right families. The forbidden fruit is that much more enticing when you have someone constantly fearing you away from it.

Are you saying that nationally, the religious are more likely to have children out of wedlock?

Stats, stat!

Well considering the majority of the U.S. is religious.....

[/quote]

Actually, the majority isn't, but claims to be, because they percieve it to be the socially-respected response.
Some interesting reading

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282[/i]
...
Well considering the majority of the U.S. is religious.....

Actually, the majority isn't, but claims to be, because they percieve it to be the socially-respected response.
Some interesting reading

I've long suspected that people claim to be religious because they think it's what others want to hear.

Also:
"Men over-report sexual partners...". I've heard that women under-report...

 

[Medellon]

New York Times, nothing to see here.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Because you touch yourself at night?

Maybe those who aren't religious are trying to make up for the rest?

Maybe this is a correlation without causation that someone decided to link to with no real world relevance?

States with an average higher education level have a higher average income level.
Yep. Correlation without causation pretty much explains everything.
:roll:

Don't you just love graphs that don't really say anything. How about numbers? So utah has a higher percentage of people with porno subscriptions, but California has more PEOPLE that subscribe to them. Rankings like the one in your OP ( and thusly like most of your posts) are useless without numbers to back them up.