its called "pragmatism". In thinking a belief to be so, that defines the reality of man . If you believe that god doesnt exist, and you are correct, then you have defined the reality of your existence. You are still stuck in the early rationalism of the 17th century.
its called "pragmatism". In thinking a belief to be so, that defines the reality of man . If you believe that god doesnt exist, and you are correct, then you have defined the reality of your existence. You are still stuck in the early rationalism of the 17th century.
Jeff7
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But God does govern a great deal of things, right. Would that not make him some form of government?
I don't see a need to pray. If you fornicate with a neighbor, God's in there with you already. No need to tell him about it later. He already knows what you'd say anyway if you were to pray. So there's no need telling God what he already knows all too well.
Paradise - maybe it's similar to the Matrix's first revision, each person could get their own world where everything's perfect.
Or else, when you reach Heaven, you're lobotomized, so that you think that a piece of fruit is the most hilarious thing in existence. Then you drop it on the floor. Suddenly you learn the meaning of euphoric laughter, but then forget it when you slip on the dropped fruit. And then you laugh some more.
I think I like the latter better. It's funny just imagining it.
Yeah, but your dad didn't condemn you to suffering for eternity. I mean really, we're given a single human lifetime to determine the nature of existence and if there's a God or not, or else we face eternal punishment? A human lifetime vs infinite time - pretty big difference there. Ask an infant what he thinks a good solution to world peace would be. He'll probably just drool on you, and I don't think that human saliva, even copious amounts, will foster peace.
God has all the mathematical proofs in the world yet he does not share.This is why he is fascist.
Edited for clarity
for people that didn't know what fascism is ...
and to specifize what God we're talking about
for people that didn't know what fascism is ...
and to specifize what God we're talking about
meltdown75
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Cerpin Taxt
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This anology really bears so little resemblence to our alleged relationship to God that its untenable. My dad wasn't creator of the universe and he didn't have unlimited miraculous powers or exhaustive and infallible foreknowledge. The question really is, if God did not want us to commit certain actions, why did He even create us so that we're capable of doing them? Free will certainly doesn't excuse it, because not only is it inconsistent with His foreknowledge, but one does not need to be able to do ANYTHING in order to have free will. One must only have the freedom to choose among a certain set of possible actions, none of which need to include acts of sin.
-Garth
Jeff7
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God is aware of how each human will turn out before they are born - omniscient.. God has the power to change the future - omnipotence. If God knows what is going to happen, and easily has the power to change it, is that not the same as sending someone to Hell? He's knowingly creating a defective person, and then punishing that person for being defective.
God is neither fascist nor republician...God does not even "exist". The idea of existence is human and temporal. You can't apply human logic and ideals to God.
I agree that Men are fallible - we all make mistakes. However, if you read the foreward in a Bible it shows that it is translated (or it should show or you shouldn't use it) from the earliest possible texts into English or whatever. So they translate from Aramaic or Latin or whatever to English. Not through a bunch of other languages first. Sure...I'm sure there are errors...but again we can't be perfect.
This is also why I am not a fan of Religion. Religion was created solely by men, not God. Things get too political and it's just nuts. I'm more of a read your Bible and try to follow the example set type of person rather than say to listen to whatever some preacher says - they are not all right and some are even way way off.
Why are there no more Prophets? I think because all of the prophecy that God wanted to be revealed is in the Bible...and we won't hear from him again until the second coming. There are plenty of devoted people out there that I believe have a...dialogue of a sort with God. But the Bible is a complete work...it says in the Bible that anyone who adds to it or takes away from it is going to be false. That's why there are no other people adding to it (legit anyway).
bamacre
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Satan has no power to make anyone do anything. He can only tempt man. If you have seen The Wizard of Oz, it is similar to the wicked witch's inability to physically take Dorothy's ruby slippers (or whatever they were). She only had the power to terrorize Dorothy into giving them to her. The Good witch symbolized God, the wicket witch, Satan, and the shoes, Dorothy's Soul.
Not true. If He were controlling us, we would have no choice. He decided to give us freedom of choice - whether it benefits us or not. He does not simply "make" us do whatever he wants. Sure...He knows what will happen and He CAN change it, but that would be taking away our freedom of choice, something that is a gift.
You're trying to understand something that isn't understandable. This is almost like asking the question "Can God create a rock so heavy that He can't move it?"
As miniMUNCH said, you cannot apply human logic to God...it's just too far beyond human understanding for that to work. Even though we as humans think that we can eventually understand and unlock the secrets of everything.
faith = "a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence"
I believe you can have faith that God does not exist just as easily as he does ...
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear mostly just checking about if you can copy and paste a segment of the reply, but to answer; god being in the same room with you while you are fornicating with your neighbor. Doesnt that make him a Swinger? wow, god is a pervert! If hes not , than he should get the hay out o there and give you some privacy.this god concept definitly needs work.
The new testament was not officially deemed as such until the council of Carthage (406 if memmory serves me).
According to christian doctrine...the Bible is not the word of God...the Bible even says so...it says Jesus is the logos of God (logos translated word in english although that hardly includes the same meaning).
By extension, the church is the body of christ and, thus, in some portent, the logos of God. Don't confuse this statement with papism...the Pope does not hold ultimate authority over anything or anyone although roman catholics will say differently, of course.
It is not to say that the Bible is not very important...
Of ccourse this analogy is bad...you can't really make a good one to compare anything of this earth with God.
Why did He create us with the capability to sin? Ask Him, not me. I'm not the one who did the creating. He simply gave us freedom...not partial freedom, but total freedom to do what we desired. I do not understand His plan...nobody truly does, so yes there are a lot of questions that cannot be answered fully or to a capacity to which would satisfy some.
Originally posted by: russianpower
How did I know you were going to reply to my post?
You're god???
Brilliant. (Partially) sigged.
Sorry russianpower, yours went hours ago.
A spanking is one thing...
I think if your Dad sent you off to be burned for eternity , he be arrested on child abuse charges
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