if the situation is so urgent, why don't the big3 and UAW just renegotiate contracts now?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

lose some benefits now, rather than possibly losing it all later.


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[DisgruntledVirus]

Because it's a contract in place until 2010?

 

[rsd]

That implies the UAW wants a change from the status quo. Don't fool yourself into thinking that they are actually looking out for the little guy.

 

[Squisher]

The union has already accepted serious concessions. And the bulk of those savings from the concessions won't be realized until 2010.

Do I think they could give more? Yes, but negotiations are a little like playing poker, you don't let the other players see the hand you're willing to play.

 

[Lamont Burns]

The UAW is a pile of shit.

 

[dartworth]

once you give something away, more than likely you will never get it back...it is a two way street

 

[MotF Bane]

UAW sucks.

 

[Brainonska511]

The UAW hate-bandwagon wasted no time in popping into this thread.

 

[iamwiz82]

The UAW (and CAW for that matter) has said that there will be no more concessions.

 

[manlymatt83]

Whats UAW and what's the big 3? is this an economy thing?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Because the workers can't live on less than $72 an hour, and the CEOs just can't bother to show up for work for less than $20 million a year.

"Ford's Alan Mulally says: 'I think I'm ok where I am' when asked by a panel lawmaker if Mulally was willing to cut his own salary." (Forbes)

The $25 billion they already leeched from taxpayers just made both execs and the UAW think we're suckers who will shovel more money their way if they make things look bad enough.

 

[Lamont Burns]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
The UAW hate-bandwagon wasted no time in popping into this thread.

Yes, a bandwagon. OK.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Whats UAW and what's the big 3? is this an economy thing?

UAW = United Auto Workers Union
Big 3= Major American Automotive Manufacturers
UAW Haters = douche bag conservatives who hate uneducated workers making a living wage instead of corporate fat cats and fuckhead investors reaping all the profits.

 

[Drekce]

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
The UAW hate-bandwagon wasted no time in popping into this thread.

Yes, a bandwagon. OK.

Actually, it's the "UAW Hate Union". Get it straight.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
The UAW (and CAW for that matter) has said that there will be no more concessions.

i heard on the radio that the head of the CAW won't budge at all.

what a douche.

on the other hand, i heard that one of the GM execs took a paycut and will be making $1 this year. that's great but what about the other 30 guys sitting in the boardroom?

i don't think half of these twits, union or management, know what is at stake. i think if this sector goes down, it will drag a huge chunk of the economy down with it and could be the beginning of a huge domino effect.

one cannot only think of the millions employed by the big 3 but also of the people working in the spinoff industries such as tool & die and parts suppliers. we are talking about millions and millions of people suddenly without jobs.

i hate to say it but i think throwing money at the auto industry is the right thing to do RIGHT NOW, at this juncture in time. BUT ONLY IF there are stipulations attached to the money, ie. change the way you run your shitpile companies.

 

[Capt Caveman]

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[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Because it's a contract in place until 2010?

as if that can't be re-negotiated?

they're will to risk it all? guess they've never heard of the phrase biting the hand that feeds you.

 

[Lamont Burns]

Originally posted by: Drekce

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
The UAW hate-bandwagon wasted no time in popping into this thread.

Yes, a bandwagon. OK.

Actually, it's the "UAW Hate Union". Get it straight.

Haha, nice. Yeah I need to pay my dues and get my card so I can get health and dental until I'm dead.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Why doesn't the Government buy them all and call it United States Auto Corp. They can be given standard govt. wages or be laid off. Conduct all new supplier contracts like any other government bid.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Because it's a contract in place until 2010?

A contract that will be worth nothing if they wait till 2010.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Whats UAW and what's the big 3? is this an economy thing?

UAW = United Auto Workers Union
Big 3= Major American Automotive Manufacturers
UAW Haters = douche bag conservatives who hate uneducated workers making a living wage instead of corporate fat cats and fuckhead investors reaping all the profits.

I don't hate the UAW. There is plenty of blame to go around. The union workers need to come back to reality and accept a reasonable wage for the work/education/skill level they possess.

The management needs to cut their own salaries before asking others to take pay cuts. The management's philosophy of "my wage is fine it's those guys on the floor who make too much money" needs to change.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Whats UAW and what's the big 3? is this an economy thing?

UAW = United Auto Workers Union
Big 3= Major American Automotive Manufacturers
UAW Haters = douche bag conservatives who hate uneducated workers making a living wage instead of corporate fat cats and fuckhead investors reaping all the profits.

I don't hate the UAW. There is plenty of blame to go around. The union workers need to come back to reality and accept a reasonable wage for the work/education/skill level they possess.

The management needs to cut their own salaries before asking others to take pay cuts. The management's philosophy of "my wage is fine it's those guys on the floor who make too much money" needs to change.

Apparently "livable" is 35 bucks an hour. Maybe I should have dropped out of college and went the auto worker route.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Whats UAW and what's the big 3? is this an economy thing?

UAW = United Auto Workers Union
Big 3= Major American Automotive Manufacturers
UAW Haters = douche bag conservatives who hate uneducated workers making a living wage instead of corporate fat cats and fuckhead investors reaping all the profits.

ScottyB = douchebag

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Pacemaker

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Whats UAW and what's the big 3? is this an economy thing?

UAW = United Auto Workers Union
Big 3= Major American Automotive Manufacturers
UAW Haters = douche bag conservatives who hate uneducated workers making a living wage instead of corporate fat cats and fuckhead investors reaping all the profits.

I don't hate the UAW. There is plenty of blame to go around. The union workers need to come back to reality and accept a reasonable wage for the work/education/skill level they possess.

The management needs to cut their own salaries before asking others to take pay cuts. The management's philosophy of "my wage is fine it's those guys on the floor who make too much money" needs to change.

Apparently "livable" is 35 bucks an hour. Maybe I should have dropped out of college and went the auto worker route.

Better yet, would be to get happy with the fact that you didn't.

 

[SP33Demon]

They won't renegotiate b/c the situation isn't urgent until the government says "Fck Off". Then they may reneg but odds are slim.