If she said 'yes' its still rape...

[jjones]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Alright, before people start thinking I'm a sick messed up lil' kid, hear me out. Like I said, I can totally understand this IF VIOLENCE IS INVOLVED. Example, two people are in the act, then SHE says "no, I want to stop" and makes to get out from underneath or whatever, and the guy PHYSICALLY RESISTS HER AND HOLDS HER DOWN. That is f**ked up. But if you're at a party, lookin' to score, some drunk chick is all smiles at you, she leads you upstairs to a bedroom, y'all start bangin, then halfway through she's like "maybe we shouldn't do this" and you're like "nah baby you feel so good!"...THAT'S NOT RAPE!!!!

Next morning she's all sobered up and sorry she cheated on her lame-o boyfriend and now she wants to blame the other guy??? BTW, this is the context of the original case in question in Illinois...

Didn't you know? In any case where the girl has had a drink, it's automatically rape anyway.

 

[The Sauce]

Also girls are in general unable to hold down a man and force make him to have sex. Not to mention the fact that if you were forcing a guy he would be limp and unable to have sex. With a girl...

Tell that to my fiance 😉

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
But if you're at a party, lookin' to score, some drunk chick is all smiles at you, she leads you upstairs to a bedroom, y'all start bangin, then halfway through she's like "maybe we shouldn't do this" and you're like "nah baby you feel so good!"...THAT'S NOT RAPE!!!!

It's called "date rape".

:| Well I'm glad my college days are over and I won't have to deal with that kind of sh*t. Moral of the story for guys--don't try hookin' up with drunk chicks...

Jeeze you still dont get it do you? Moral of the story is...if she says no, freaking stop!

Nothing wrong with having sex with drunk woman or sober woman. But no means no. Thats the real moral.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
But if you're at a party, lookin' to score, some drunk chick is all smiles at you, she leads you upstairs to a bedroom, y'all start bangin, then halfway through she's like "maybe we shouldn't do this" and you're like "nah baby you feel so good!"...THAT'S NOT RAPE!!!!

It's called "date rape".

Um, no. At least not in my definition or any I've seen? Date rape would pretty much be leading a girl back to her/your place and holding her down against her protests under the auspices of it being a date.

Is there a detailed case outline anywhere for this particular incident?

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Alright, before people start thinking I'm a sick messed up lil' kid, hear me out. Like I said, I can totally understand this IF VIOLENCE IS INVOLVED. Example, two people are in the act, then SHE says "no, I want to stop" and makes to get out from underneath or whatever, and the guy PHYSICALLY RESISTS HER AND HOLDS HER DOWN. That is f**ked up. But if you're at a party, lookin' to score, some drunk chick is all smiles at you, she leads you upstairs to a bedroom, y'all start bangin, then halfway through she's like "maybe we shouldn't do this" and you're like "nah baby you feel so good!"...THAT'S NOT RAPE!!!!

Next morning she's all sobered up and sorry she cheated on her lame-o boyfriend and now she wants to blame the other guy??? BTW, this is the context of the original case in question in Illinois...

Dude you're bluring the lines of a girl blaming someone for her own problems and true rape. Also if a girl says "maybe we shouldn't do this" hopefully youre smart enough to say "why" or "should we stop". Also if she is too drunk/drugged to fight against her own will, you're saying that means its not rape? As stated, if she/he (for viper 🙂 ) says no, they mean NO. It doesn't matter what you think or feel at that particular time, it's about the other party.

The law was intended for girls who say no mid act, not for someone blaming someone for their own indiscretions

The problem I see is that if they are BOTH inebbriated, it automatically becomes a man's fault for not stopping immediately. The fault lies with both parties here, but just because one 'party' might feel slightly intimated by the physical strength of the other party, SHE gets to send the other party to jail if she's in a bad mood later on.

 

[Ernieb]

if she doesn't reach to an orgasm, she can defiinately choose to sue it a as a rape or not.






j/k

 

[DurocShark]

The law isn't unclear. Pretty simple actually since they're more sharply defining the point where it becomes rape. Just kinda bizarre... I mean, I dated a girl in high school who finished quick (!) and didn't want to continue (true story). But if I tried to finish up, now it would be rape?

Wierd.

 

[Ernieb]

if she doesn't reach to an orgasm, she can definitely choose to sue it a as a rape or not.





j/k

 

[Ynog]

As I was warned by people when I was in college.

If you have sex with a girl who is drunk, no matter your state (drunk or not), and if she regrets it the
next morning. Doesn't even have to say no during the act. It can be considered rape.
Because she was not in the right mind to have made the decision.

On the other hand, if your a guy and are drunk at a bar, and a 3 ton beast comes over and you end up having
sex with it. And definately regret it in the morning. Its not rape.

 

[nitsuj3580]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Alright, before people start thinking I'm a sick messed up lil' kid, hear me out. Like I said, I can totally understand this IF VIOLENCE IS INVOLVED. Example, two people are in the act, then SHE says "no, I want to stop" and makes to get out from underneath or whatever, and the guy PHYSICALLY RESISTS HER AND HOLDS HER DOWN. That is f**ked up. But if you're at a party, lookin' to score, some drunk chick is all smiles at you, she leads you upstairs to a bedroom, y'all start bangin, then halfway through she's like "maybe we shouldn't do this" and you're like "nah baby you feel so good!"...THAT'S NOT RAPE!!!!

Next morning she's all sobered up and sorry she cheated on her lame-o boyfriend and now she wants to blame the other guy??? BTW, this is the context of the original case in question in Illinois...

you have some twisted views man. "like "maybe we shouldn't do this" and you're like "nah baby you feel so good!"...THAT'S NOT RAPE!!!!" Are you serious? That IS rape.

 

[Lucky]

Also girls are in general unable to hold down a man and force make him to have sex. Not to mention the fact that if you were forcing a guy he would be limp and unable to have sex.

Tell that to my ex...

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
I understand. if you continue and other person is unwilling-sure does sound like rape to me.

 

[Gaard]

JIGGA, are you unable to stop until you've climaxed? You remind me of that kid on American Pie who messed himself just from touching the chick's leg.

 

[The Sauce]

Is it still rape if she says no and then comes? Or just happens to say "no" while coming? (Maybe she doesn't like to say "yes") What about the old "please........don't........stop........." Then what do you do? What if she says "oh!" and it sounds like "no!" or vice versa?? It's all so confusing.

 

[AdamSnow]

Of course it's aimed at guys. Girls have sex, guys want it. When's the last time you've honestly heard of a girl forcing a guy have to sex? Come on now 🙂

All girls have to do is walk into a bar.....

Also girls are in general unable to hold down a man and force make him to have sex. Not to mention the fact that if you were forcing a guy he would be limp and unable to have sex. With a girl...

My girlfriend often requests sex...

and she can hold me down and fvck my brains out any time she wants!! w0000t!
😀

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: Gaard
JIGGA, are you unable to stop until you've climaxed? You remind me of that kid on American Pie who messed himself just from touching the chick's leg.

No, but I've slept with a girl at a party when we were both piss drunk, and she was just trying to get back at her boyfriend, and the next day she wouldn't talk to me at all. She never said 'no' (otherwise I'm sure she would've left my bed much sooner? didn't leave till morning?) but she was f**king bitter about it the next day...heard from her girlfriends that she blamed me for the whole night. Now, I just know there are thousands of men who've been in that situation with thousands of girls, a few of those girls wouldn't hesitate to use the courts to get back at someone they blamed for ruining another relationship...

 

[arcas]

I don't dispute either party's right to withdraw consent but it seems to me that it becomes very difficult to defend such an accusation unless you have the entire act on video tape. A buddy in college used to get a signed consent letter before sex and I believe Chuck Berry went so far as to take a picture of the girl naked and smiling in his arms so he couldn't be later accused of rape. Under this new law, these become useless gestures. The trial will deteriorate into your word against their's.

So perhaps videotaping the entire act is the only solution...

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
...if she says 'no' before you're spent??? WTF?? Women can change their minds about having sex DURING THE ACT, in which case it becomes non-consensual???

I know MichaelD's with me, but does anyone else think this is just ABSURD??? I can understand the logic behind it if violence is involved only, (in which case, they'll have other evidence to file assault charges) but otherwise this law is absurd!!!

Linky

The spirit of the law is not absurd, IMO.

What must be going through your mind if you continue after she says stop or no? Isn't that rape?

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: arcas
I don't dispute either party's right to withdraw consent but it seems to me that it becomes very difficult to defend such an accusation unless you have the entire act on video tape. A buddy in college used to get a signed consent letter before sex and I believe Chuck Berry went so far as to take a picture of the girl naked and smiling in his arms so he couldn't be later accused of rape. Under this new law, these become useless gestures. The trial will deteriorate into your word against their's.

So perhaps videotaping the entire act is the only solution...

Or as feather pointed out, avaoiding sex with women you haven't first established as non-litigious. If that's the effect of the law then it's probably not a bad one.

 

[Descartes]

The law was inspired by a California case involving two 17-year-olds who had sex at a party. The girl changed her mind about having sex, but the boy did not stop immediately.

Imo, that's the part to be worried about. Immediately; 1 second, 2 seconds? If she feels that the time withdrawn after uttering her state of discontent exceeds her patience threshold, you could be accused of rape.

This is all way too damn ambiguous.

 

[PG]

I sort of feel for the guy, but no means no and he shouldn't have put himself in that position. Don't go sleeping around with drunk girls at parties.

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: Descartes

The law was inspired by a California case involving two 17-year-olds who had sex at a party. The girl changed her mind about having sex, but the boy did not stop immediately.

Imo, that's the part to be worried about. Immediately; 1 second, 2 seconds? If she feels that the time withdrawn after uttering her state of discontent exceeds her patience threshold, you could be accused of rape.

This is all way too damn ambiguous.

Just make sure she is always on top, end of problem!

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Descartes

The law was inspired by a California case involving two 17-year-olds who had sex at a party. The girl changed her mind about having sex, but the boy did not stop immediately.

Imo, that's the part to be worried about. Immediately; 1 second, 2 seconds? If she feels that the time withdrawn after uttering her state of discontent exceeds her patience threshold, you could be accused of rape.

This is all way too damn ambiguous.

Hence a jury.

Patience threshold?

Remember it's an act of sexual congress, presumably an act of passion.

 

[Encryptic]

On the one hand, the woman has the right to say no if she feels like it, but this is such a slippery slope. If that's all it takes to get a guy charged with rape, a girl could claim that she said "No" in the middle of having sex and the guy gets locked up, no questions asked. Burden of proof is on him, not the girl, since of course the man is always going to be wrong in this situation. I can easily see this happening if a girl wants to get back at her boyfriend or something.

What if I was still in high school and I started having sex with a girl? She decides "OK, I don't want to do this," in the middle of the act. It takes a few seconds before I realize what she's saying and comply with her wishes. Would I get charged with rape because I didn't comply with her immediately? Or does it only qualify if I keep on going and deliberately ignore her/hold her down/etc.? That's such a gray area, I think.

 

[Scouzer]

Ugh, the only way to do it is have a detailed consent form written up by a lawyer, have her sign it before, then when the act is done, have her sign it again (under a different part) saying that she did not change her mind through the act of sexxing...

Then again, the courts will still find a way to blame the guy if the girl regrets it in any way, shape, or form.