If Ron Paul isn't Electable, Just Who the Hell is?

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peonyu

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You don't remember the whole deal with Obama having to distance himself from some radical racist preacher?

His preacher was not racist, he was speaking out against the historical Slavery and Oppression of Africans in America. For Obama's preacher to speak out about slavery and the historical EVILS that the White man did to his people [and all people of color] - does not a racist make.

On the other hand Ron Paul is a White guy. A racist White guy, who like his ancestors, wishes to see African-Americans relegated to the back of the bus again. Just like the old days as Im sure he would say if that would not get him into trouble.

He is fit to be elected though...But only by the KKK as their Grand Wizard.
 
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xj0hnx

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His preacher was not racist, he was speaking out against the historical Slavery and Oppression of Africans in America. For Obama's preacher to speak out about slavery and the historical EVILS that the White man did to his people [and all people of color] - does not a racist make.

On the other hand Ron Paul is a White guy. A racist White guy, who like his ancestors, wishes to see African-Americans relegated to the back of the bus again. Just like the old days as Im sure he would say if that would not get him into trouble.

He is fit to be elected though...But only by the KKK as their Grand Wizard.

Wow, and people thought Birthers were crazy, you people make them, and Truthers look like pillars of the community.
 

werepossum

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This is about whether the Federal government has the right to legislate morality. At least thats how I see it in a Libertarian viewpoint and I think thats where Paul was heading with this as well. My guess is Ron Paul was trying to keep the Federal governments power restricted as intended by the Constitution. Legislating morality doesn't make it go away it only puts the sexism/racism behind a door.
All criminal law is legislating morality. I'm okay with that as long as it deals strictly with things that directly affect others; it's only laws that address ickiness factors (like prayer in school or gay marriage) with which I disagree. There is and should be no right to not be offended. On the other hand, I think there is a right to be served by any business which serves the public, as long as you behave yourself. And I have no interest in making racism go away, only in seeing that it doesn't unduly interfere with people's lives. A restaurant owner should be perfectly free to believe that blacks are an inferior race or that whites are devils created by an evil sorcerer to bedevil the superior black man, but in his business he'd better treat them just as he'd treat anyone else.

Ron Paul isn't unelectable because he might be "Racist", although what has appeared in his past Newsletters will be damning regardless of his explanations. What makes him unelectable are his positions. Every Liberal/Conservative can find RP policies that they agree with 100%, but they can also find policies that they disagree with 100%. This just makes him too radical for any widespread support as the only way to accept such divergent policy is to completely accept that starting from scratch is the only solution.

Very few are willing to go there, especially when, despite the problems, the US is still at or near the top of so many of the Demographic measurements used to measure Success. Despite the trending downwards, all encompassing change is just unnecessary, at this time anyway.
Well said.

You realize of course that it would be possible for an entire town to refuse service to black people, in effect making it prohibitive for black people to even live in said town?

Oh, you're black? No oil delivery for you!
This is why, even though I fundamentally don't like government infringing on a man's right to run his business as he sees fit, I disagree with Paul on the Civil Rights Act. I've twice heard bosses ask "You didn't hire that ni##er, did you?" And that was in the eighties, not 1964. If the only place hiring refuses to hire blacks, then blacks are effectively shut out of the whole town's job market.

Our nation's founding began with a document declaring that all men are created equal. If government has to intervene to ensure that all men are treated thusly, that's sad but necessary.

EDIT: ALL that is not to say that I think Ron Paul is a racist or a horrible person, just to say that I think he's wrong on this particular issue - and vote.
 
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His preacher was not racist, he was speaking out against the historical Slavery and Oppression of Africans in America. For Obama's preacher to speak out about slavery and the historical EVILS that the White man did to his people [and all people of color] - does not a racist make.

On the other hand Ron Paul is a White guy. A racist White guy, who like his ancestors, wishes to see African-Americans relegated to the back of the bus again. Just like the old days as Im sure he would say if that would not get him into trouble.

He is fit to be elected though...But only by the KKK as their Grand Wizard.

Excellent post. Ron Paul is pretty messed up.
 

Darwin333

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Wow, and people thought Birthers were crazy, you people make them, and Truthers look like pillars of the community.

Even though I sort of like Ron Paul (he still has some batshit crazy ideas but he would never get em by congress so shrug) I still think he isn't electable.

With that said, it is very telling of what the opposition fears when they come out to attack him like this.
 

Darwin333

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I didn't realize that the entire nation voted for some pathetic backwater district in Texas.

You do realize that he serves in a national position, don't you? This is a pretty simple concept.

And I don't know a damned thing about his district but out of curiosity, what makes it pathetic?
 

xj0hnx

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Darwin333 said:
Even though I sort of like Ron Paul (he still has some batshit crazy ideas but he would never get em by congress so shrug) I still think he isn't electable.

With that said, it is very telling of what the opposition fears when they come out to attack him like this.

Chances are he isn't going to be nominated, much less elected, but "unelectable" just doesn't mean anything when someone is already a candidate. Now you, or me, or Rabidfailgoose, we are unelectable, because we aren't even candidates and probably a few other reasons, but if enough people voted for him Ron Paul could indeed be elected, which means he isn't "unelectable".
 

Jhhnn

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Chances are he isn't going to be nominated, much less elected, but "unelectable" just doesn't mean anything when someone is already a candidate. Now you, or me, or Rabidfailgoose, we are unelectable, because we aren't even candidates and probably a few other reasons, but if enough people voted for him Ron Paul could indeed be elected, which means he isn't "unelectable".

In other words, if there were such a thing as flying pigs, they'd be flying pigs!
 
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You do realize that he serves in a national position, don't you? This is a pretty simple concept.

And I don't know a damned thing about his district but out of curiosity, what makes it pathetic?

If a district continuously votes for a racist troll of a man, then it's a pretty pathetic district.
 

Darwin333

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Chances are he isn't going to be nominated, much less elected, but "unelectable" just doesn't mean anything when someone is already a candidate. Now you, or me, or Rabidfailgoose, we are unelectable, because we aren't even candidates and probably a few other reasons, but if enough people voted for him Ron Paul could indeed be elected, which means he isn't "unelectable".

Would you prefer I say that he is "unable to obtain the amount of votes required to win over any of his reasonably potential adversaries and therefore absurdly unlikely to win an election for President of the United States"? Unelectable is so much shorter....
 

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You realize of course that it would be possible for an entire town to refuse service to black people, in effect making it prohibitive for black people to even live in said town?

Oh, you're black? No oil delivery for you!

A bit much, do you have any faith in people? How the hell would this happen? If a single business in a town started to refuse people of X race word would get out quick. Do you think average person these days finds that acceptable? Would they go to a resteraunt they heard refuses black people? I sure as shit don't think so. In fact I'm pretty sure you'd be costing yourself a lot of fucking money, probably costing your business to crash n burn in 99% of cities

Sure maybe that'd happen in a tiny backwards southern town, but so what? They're loveless assholes, but they have a right to do that! They can live their crappy lives while the rest us live ours and make as little contact with them as possible. Anywho has a brain/heart will just move away



Honestly just registered to say how surprised I am at all the Ron Paul haters here. Didn't browse the forums till today, but based off the comments I considered this site a little more well read than most. Guess I was wrong lol You people need to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Ron Paul is not a racist gay hater, you believe that cause mainstream news told you that? The same people who long ignored and openly berate him? tbh I fail to understand how people see anything, but a kind old man after watching him speak. Look that man in the eye and tell me he's that kind of person.

Try getting your information from a lot of different places instead of w/e mainstream news source. Don't take ANYONE'S word as fact
 
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haha fail!

How is it a failure? Ron Paul is a racist. It's pretty simple. If you've released a racist newsletter under your name for years and then defended the racist remarks in those racist newsletters, then you're a racist.

I can't wait until that racist clown retires and we never have to hear from or see him again.
 

Plugers

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How is it a failure? Ron Paul is a racist. It's pretty simple. If you've released a racist newsletter under your name for years and then defended the racist remarks in those racist newsletters, then you're a racist.

I can't wait until that racist clown retires and we never have to hear from or see him again.

I agree with Kadomot, RP is not racist at all. Your just a loudmouth uneducated D-bag that wants attention.
 

TechBoyJK

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How is it a failure? Ron Paul is a racist. It's pretty simple. If you've released a racist newsletter under your name for years and then defended the racist remarks in those racist newsletters, then you're a racist.

I can't wait until that racist clown retires and we never have to hear from or see him again.

Wow you seem pretty crazy bro. Like actually really a foaming at mouth crazy rabid mongoose..
 

repoman0

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A bit much, do you have any faith in people? How the hell would this happen? If a single business in a town started to refuse people of X race word would get out quick. Do you think average person these days finds that acceptable? Would they go to a resteraunt they heard refuses black people? I sure as shit don't think so. In fact I'm pretty sure you'd be costing yourself a lot of fucking money, probably costing your business to crash n burn in 99% of cities

Sure maybe that'd happen in a tiny backwards southern town, but so what? They're loveless assholes, but they have a right to do that! They can live their crappy lives while the rest us live ours and make as little contact with them as possible. Anywho has a brain/heart will just move away



Honestly just registered to say how surprised I am at all the Ron Paul haters here. Didn't browse the forums till today, but based off the comments I considered this site a little more well read than most. Guess I was wrong lol You people need to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Ron Paul is not a racist gay hater, you believe that cause mainstream news told you that? The same people who long ignored and openly berate him? tbh I fail to understand how people see anything, but a kind old man after watching him speak. Look that man in the eye and tell me he's that kind of person.

Try getting your information from a lot of different places instead of w/e mainstream news source. Don't take ANYONE'S word as fact

This is a good post, and pretty much what I was thinking as I read through this thread. Some of the people (trolls) here in this section of the forum are completely insane.

It's painfully obvious which members are here for an intelligent discussion and which are here to spread their own political agenda.
 
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fskimospy

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A bit much, do you have any faith in people? How the hell would this happen? If a single business in a town started to refuse people of X race word would get out quick. Do you think average person these days finds that acceptable? Would they go to a resteraunt they heard refuses black people? I sure as shit don't think so. In fact I'm pretty sure you'd be costing yourself a lot of fucking money, probably costing your business to crash n burn in 99% of cities

Sure maybe that'd happen in a tiny backwards southern town, but so what? They're loveless assholes, but they have a right to do that! They can live their crappy lives while the rest us live ours and make as little contact with them as possible. Anywho has a brain/heart will just move away



Honestly just registered to say how surprised I am at all the Ron Paul haters here. Didn't browse the forums till today, but based off the comments I considered this site a little more well read than most. Guess I was wrong lol You people need to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Ron Paul is not a racist gay hater, you believe that cause mainstream news told you that? The same people who long ignored and openly berate him? tbh I fail to understand how people see anything, but a kind old man after watching him speak. Look that man in the eye and tell me he's that kind of person.

Try getting your information from a lot of different places instead of w/e mainstream news source. Don't take ANYONE'S word as fact

Some of us are better read than most, that's why so many people on here find Ron Paul's ideas ridiculous. The whole newsletter thing doesn't mean that he's racist. (although it does mean the alternatives are that he's a cynical profiteer or an incompetent manager) The reason people on here don't like him though are because his actual political policies are horrible and juvenile. They simply wouldn't survive contact with reality.