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If people are so big on deporting illegals, why not their kids?

MadRat

MadRat

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It just seems to be a double standard that parents that are here illegally get deported yet their kids get to stay if they have family that is legally present. We've had a number of families split up like that here in the Midwest. Do you people on the coasts allow the same double-standards?
 
It depends. If the parents want their child to stay with relatives in the States, then it's great. If they would rather have their children with them, then it depends on what is best for the child. That is hard to determine though, and I have no idea what the best political option is.
 
Were those children born here? If so, they are legally US citizens and shouldn't be deported. If they were not born here, they should only be allowed to stay if the relatives they are staying with can afford to keep them w/o gov't assistance.
 
If you're born in the United States, are you not considered a US citizen despite the citizenship of the parents? I don't think it's a double standard. Is it the law that you don't like? I'm a bit confused by the question.
 
Gotta love the compassion of the xenophobic conservatives- deporting our own citizens, children and teens, because their parents aren't citizens... then claiming it's OK because the Constitution is "obsolete and useless"...

If you don't like the Constitution the way it is, then there is a mechanism to change it- go for it. Don't have the votes to get it done? Too bad, so sad- call the wahmbulance.

In case nobody noticed, this whole song and dance about illegal immigration doesn't mean that Repubs actually intend to do anything about it, other than suck up votes... and waste money building fences... Illegals come here to work, with the complicity of American employers. Take away the ability to work, and the complicity, they'll go home...

Corporate America definitely doesn't want that to happen...
 
Why should you deport their kinds. First, if the kids are born here they automatically become US Citizens regardless of the citizenship of the parents. Unless in rare circumstances when the parents are foreign diplomats and other circumstances. If the parents jumped the border and their child was with them in the process and this was a true child >18yo how can you pennilize the child. For it was the actions of the parents that put them in that situation. There are amnesty programs as a matter of fact in those situations when you have illegal children present in the United States. The illegal parents of a legal child also presents a situation of an anchor baby. In which case the child can actually give the parents certain benefits even the situation of citizenship for the entire family.
 
14th Amendment, Section 1...Let us please remove the word born.

There should be no anchor babies that let unarmed invaders gain legal entry.

Bleeding hearts...Please list the countries of the world that grant citizenship via birthright.
I'm looking forward to this list 😀

...Galvanized
 
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
14th Amendment, Section 1...Let us please remove the word born.

There should be no anchor babies that let unarmed invaders gain legal entry.

Bleeding hearts...Please list the countries of the world that grant citizenship via birthright.
I'm looking forward to this list 😀

...Galvanized
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Argentina, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, India, Jamaica, Mexico, New Zealand, Pakistan, Spain, United States, Venezuela.

Though I'm not a bleeding heart.
 
What I find when dealing with a lot of peole who totaly oppose immigration or are against illegals jumping the boarders. These are the type of people who have deep rooted reasons which they would rather not say because they would be seen as obsene. Most of these people have racism or prejudice twoards those people. The United States have one of the most lax immigration policies probably in the world. If you have such hatred twoards the policy you can only blame yourself. The History of this country made the policy where it is today. And it were those immigrants that made this country what it was today.
 
The parents broke laws. The kids didn't. Why should we punish people who never broke a law?

What if the kids have NO citizenship in any country? Where do we send them?
 
steppin, legal immigration is how both my parents families came to be here.
I am not a squat & drop child nor am I a racist.

Racism is the tired trump card that is played in every discussion about unarmed invaders.
I have lived in SoCal for 52 years and have seen a thing or two 😛

I say send every illegal packing for home, Mexican, Centeral or South American, Asian.
European or Middle Eastener.

The word born should be removed from Sec.1 of the 14th 😉
 
This is obviously an area where the Law does not make sense. If you deport the parents then they claim there is a hardship on the children. This ties up the courts with useless continuances, and Leagal Maeuvers desigened to make it harder to deport the Parents.

Women literally try to get to the United States just so that a child on the way will be born here and they can receive State Aid for their child.

These people are just basically invading the United States. We dont know who they are or where they come from or if they are escaped criminals.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
This is obviously an area where the Law does not make sense. If you deport the parents then they claim there is a hardship on the children. This ties up the courts with useless continuances, and Leagal Maeuvers desigened to make it harder to deport the Parents.

Women literally try to get to the United States just so that a child on the way will be born here and they can receive State Aid for their child.

These people are just basically invading the United States. We dont know who they are or where they come from or if they are escaped criminals.
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:thumbsup:
 
I'm part of the "evilcommieislamofacist'muhrikahatin'liberalleft" because I oppose the war in Iraq and corporate welfare on common sense grounds, (but vote libertarian/democrat on a national level and republican on the local level), and I think there's a simple way to solve the problem of illegal immigrant children obtaining citizenship by birth. Put it on the ballot and let the states vote on a change to the 14th:

All persons, born to a parent that is already a United States citizen, or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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Fixed [in bold].

Now, as for deporting illegal children - that's such a nasty PR hit that few people are willing to take it on. Best to just ship entire families back.
 
Yep, we need to do away with the "anchor baby" clause. If the parents are here illegally, then the child is also illegal, regardless of where it's born, and remains a citizen of the parent's home nation.
We need also to stop giving ANY kind of government support to illegal immigrants. Not sure how to best improve our immigration policies, but rolling over ahd letting them come in unchecked sure doesn't seem to be the right way.
Of course, I also support rounding ALL illegal immigrants up, and sending them back to where ever they came from, and making them apply for entry, just like everyone else.
Start hitting those who employ them with hefty fines, and even jail time will help reduce the reasons they come in the first place, and while at first, the economy will take a hit, we can recover and be stronger for it. Make welfare recipients who are able to work take jobs to earn that check...Granted, there will always be some people who can't work for whatever reason...those are the people welfare was meant to help, not those who are too fcvking lazy to work...
http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/WYB.2006.06.22.html
"During the eight years of the Clinton Administration, 5,587 employers were fined for violating the laws against employing illegal workers, an average of 698 per year. During the first four years of the Bush Administration, only 218 fines were issued?less than 55 per year. In 2004 only three fines were imposed on employers. This record of non-enforcement raises serious doubts whether new laws will be enforced or ignored."
 
Originally posted by: MadRat
It just seems to be a double standard that parents that are here illegally get deported yet their kids get to stay if they have family that is legally present. We've had a number of families split up like that here in the Midwest. Do you people on the coasts allow the same double-standards?
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You'd be deporting around 20 million legal US citizens. The public will not stand for that and thus it is not done.
 
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
steppin, legal immigration is how both my parents families came to be here.
I am not a squat & drop child nor am I a racist.

Racism is the tired trump card that is played in every discussion about unarmed invaders.
I have lived in SoCal for 52 years and have seen a thing or two 😛

I say send every illegal packing for home, Mexican, Centeral or South American, Asian.
European or Middle Eastener.

The word born should be removed from Sec.1 of the 14th 😉
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funny how if that section wasn't in the constitution from the beginning most of us today would not be "citizen".
 
Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I'm part of the "evilcommieislamofacist'muhrikahatin'liberalleft" because I oppose the war in Iraq and corporate welfare on common sense grounds, (but vote libertarian/democrat on a national level and republican on the local level), and I think there's a simple way to solve the problem of illegal immigrant children obtaining citizenship by birth. Put it on the ballot and let the states vote on a change to the 14th:

All persons, born to a parent that is already a United States citizen, or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Click to expand...

Fixed [in bold].

Now, as for deporting illegal children - that's such a nasty PR hit that few people are willing to take it on. Best to just ship entire families back.
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Exactly! Atleast one parent should be a US citizen inorder to have a child be born a citizen.

CRIPES!! My father's grand father and my mother's great grand father came over on the boat.
They became citizens through the legal process. Not smuggled inside a container from China or fleeing across our southern border.
 
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
steppin, legal immigration is how both my parents families came to be here.
I am not a squat & drop child nor am I a racist.

Racism is the tired trump card that is played in every discussion about unarmed invaders.
I have lived in SoCal for 52 years and have seen a thing or two 😛

I say send every illegal packing for home, Mexican, Centeral or South American, Asian.
European or Middle Eastener.

The word born should be removed from Sec.1 of the 14th 😉
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funny how if that section wasn't in the constitution from the beginning most of us today would not be "citizen".
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You mean those of us who had ancestors who came here legally? Those who were legal US citizens when they had children? What about those who came here as children, legally, and obtained legal citizenship, legally? What do they teach you in middle school these days that makes you so ignorant?
 
I was under the impression that they could change this with just a law, not an amendment.
For one thing people who are here illegaly are not given the same rights and protections as everyone else since they are not citizens. So therefore, could they not pass a law saying that children born of parents that are no legally in the country are not citizens.
I am sure this would end up in the courts in the long run.

Anyone else have any hard facts about this idea?

EDIT: From wikipedia
Under United States law, any individual born within the United States is automatically recognized as legally being a US Citizen, regardless of the legal status or the citizenship of that individual?s mother or father. Most people who use the term ?Anchor Baby? either believe that current law is based on a faulty interpretation of Citizenship Clause of the US Constitution, or believe that the interpretation is valid but outdated and that the Constitution should be amended to eliminate what is commonly known as Birthright Citizenship.

Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution states that:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

This is sometimes referred to as the Citizenship Clause of the US Constitution, with the interpretation of the phrase ?subject to the jurisdiction thereof? being the main point of debate.
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So there is some debate on this issue.
 
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
14th Amendment, Section 1...Let us please remove the word born.

There should be no anchor babies that let unarmed invaders gain legal entry.

Bleeding hearts...Please list the countries of the world that grant citizenship via birthright.
I'm looking forward to this list 😀

...Galvanized
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I suppose we could all be like germany abd france where its practically impossible for an imigrant to obtain citizenship and now have huge race and class conflicts as a result.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
14th Amendment, Section 1...Let us please remove the word born.

There should be no anchor babies that let unarmed invaders gain legal entry.

Bleeding hearts...Please list the countries of the world that grant citizenship via birthright.
I'm looking forward to this list 😀

...Galvanized
Click to expand...

I suppose we could all be like germany abd france where its practically impossible for an imigrant to obtain citizenship and now have huge race and class conflicts as a result.
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Actually most of the French youth rioters are 2nd generation immigrants and their families have citizenship. Passport policy is just one factor when it comes to social frictions.
 
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