I don't hate Bush, CsG. I hate the decisions he's made and I despise many in his administration. This election is more than Kerry vs. Bush. It's about right vs. wrong. It's about thought/debate/facts vs. ideology/faith.
On the contrary, "neo-conservative" now refers to a specific ideology embraced by the Bush administration. Indeed, that's the point. Bush and his minions are not representative of true conservatives nor of the traditional Republican party. Instead, they are their own little breed of extremists who have co-opted the Republican/conservative umbrella for their own insidious agenda. There is nothing "conservative" about Bush & Co.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
On the contrary, "neo-conservative" now refers to a specific ideology embraced by the Bush administration. Indeed, that's the point. Bush and his minions are not representative of true conservatives nor of the traditional Republican party. Instead, they are their own little breed of extremists who have co-opted the Republican/conservative umbrella for their own insidious agenda. There is nothing "conservative" about Bush & Co.
"Neo-conservative" is a misnomer. While I'm sure many people are confused, knowledgable posters understand it as a narrow label, not a broad one. It sounds to me like you are either grossly exaggerating, or you may not understand what "neo-conservative" embodies.
Personally, I prefer the term "neo-fascist". While this also provokes knee-jerk howls of protest from the Bush supporters due to its historic stereotypes, I believe if you look at it objectively you will find it is largely accurate. I got tired of explaining this, however, so I mostly now just refer to "Bushies" as a shorthand term for Bush supporters. I can go back to "neo-fascists" if you prefer.
And Bush has chosen the vastly WRONG way to lead. One doesn't lead on faith/instinct and ignore the facts or distort or make up facts.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You're right - this is about right vs wrong. Too bad you've chosen the wrong side
Leadership is not about thought/debate - it's about being able to lead. Leaders that think too much aren't good leaders because they aren't decisive. Debate is good, but just like "thought" it can lead to indecision and delay.
You can spin "facts" to whatever you wish but kerry doesn't hold a monopoly on "facts". Don't forget that kerry is playing the "faith" card as of late. kerry also doesn't seem to be able to admit his own liberal ideology - just like so many liberals. They are the ones who have made it a "dirty word" - not anyone else. It's their ideas, views, and votes that have made it "dirty".
There is a "right" way to lead and a "wrong" way to lead. I'll take the "right" way over the "wrong" way every time. Bush is leading the "right" way.
Anyway - back to the inside joke between Bush and Rove.
CsG
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No I don't.
CsG
Yes you do.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Your track record would suggest that you are okay with this "kind of marginalization of your adversary".
Are you turning over a new leaf Don Vito? Or are you simply using tact in your role as the "adversary"?
Any-who, Cad, you have a PM. It has a link to what I think is really bothering Don Vito.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No I don't.
CsG
Yes you do.
I think that'll be a good one to pull out when we have another e-thug outbreak.
Care to explain where I am marginalizing my opponent? At best, you are making false assumptions. I question whether you actually read and understood what I said.Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
On the contrary, "neo-conservative" now refers to a specific ideology embraced by the Bush administration. Indeed, that's the point. Bush and his minions are not representative of true conservatives nor of the traditional Republican party. Instead, they are their own little breed of extremists who have co-opted the Republican/conservative umbrella for their own insidious agenda. There is nothing "conservative" about Bush & Co.
"Neo-conservative" is a misnomer. While I'm sure many people are confused, knowledgable posters understand it as a narrow label, not a broad one. It sounds to me like you are either grossly exaggerating, or you may not understand what "neo-conservative" embodies.
Personally, I prefer the term "neo-fascist". While this also provokes knee-jerk howls of protest from the Bush supporters due to its historic stereotypes, I believe if you look at it objectively you will find it is largely accurate. I got tired of explaining this, however, so I mostly now just refer to "Bushies" as a shorthand term for Bush supporters. I can go back to "neo-fascists" if you prefer.
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Your track record would suggest that you are okay with this "kind of marginalization of your adversary".
Are you turning over a new leaf Don Vito? Or are you simply using tact in your role as the "adversary"?
Any-who, Cad, you have a PM. It has a link to what I think is really bothering Don Vito.
I'm not sure what you're implying, but then I've never found you easy to understand. If you have a point, maybe you should just make it, rather than resorting to cheap innuendo.
None of us is perfect, least of all me, and I can't say I've been a model of reasonableness in every debate here, but I have tried to be fair and respectful, which is more than I can say for any number of other posters.
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Your track record would suggest that you are okay with this "kind of marginalization of your adversary".
Are you turning over a new leaf Don Vito? Or are you simply using tact in your role as the "adversary"?
Any-who, Cad, you have a PM. It has a link to what I think is really bothering Don Vito.
I'm not sure what you're implying, but then I've never found you easy to understand. If you have a point, maybe you should just make it, rather than resorting to cheap innuendo.
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