If only they had the balls?

[dank69]

Oh, please expound on your wisdom, what exactly did I lie about?

"That makes it pretty obvious there was absolutely no cooperation or 'give a little', it was simply 'we do it our way and you guys just STFU'."

That part right there is bullshit and you know it. If you don't know it then you are dumber than any of us have thought.

 

[fskimospy]

The saying "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind. That decision in 2013 to nuke the filibuster is now coming back to bite the dems in the butt.

We'll see if they go that route or not. As with the democrats, I'd say to the repubs, be careful what you wish for......

God I hope the Republicans kill what remains of the filibuster. It will be probably the only smart thing they do in the next two years.

 

[dank69]

What's interesting is that you have decided that Republicans' documented, conscious effort not to support anything the Democrats did is somehow the Democrats' fault. Did you forget that literally the night of Obama's inauguration they decided the correct course forward was not to agree with Obama on anything?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/

If Party A refuses to go along with anything Party B proposes, regardless of what it is, why is it Party B's fault when they accept that reality and go it alone?

Obviously Dems should have let the minority party run everything.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Prepare for.....
Low unemployment
Robust economy
Lower illegal immigration
Higher deportation
Highest GDP in years
Safety through our military strength
Decreased terrorism
Rebuilding a modern infrastructure
Repeal and replacement of the failing Obamacare
Lower taxes for the middle class
Better trade agreements
Less companies moving off shore
Industry and manufacturing revitalization
Improvement of inner cities
A big FU to globalists
Better care for our Vets

I really see a lot of daylight and, frankly, I don't get all the whining. If Trump accomplishes half of these things, I'll a happy camper.

Why credit Trump with Obama's many accomplishments? Still blaming Obama for the recession and not for the recovery?

 

[glenn1]

I think the point OP is trying to make is that if the GOP doesn't want Democrats blocking or slowing down every single thing the GOP wants to do now that they are in office they should give a little and recognize that they've been doing the same thing for the last 8 years.

"Should" is a very key word there. No matter which party holds the majority I think most legislation should be crafted to be at least tolerable by the other party. This idea that if your side wins you can use reconciliation, or change the parliamentary rules, or any means necessary to get your way is very destructive. Some of the more contentious but repetitive actions like confirmation of POTUS nominees should be streamlined as well, say by adopting negative consent rules (i.e. nominee is presumed to be confirmed unless the Senate votes 'no' within xx days).

 

[fskimospy]

Obviously Dems should have let the minority party run everything.

I don't know if it's conscious or unconscious internalization of that false narrative, but it's pretty funny that Pokerguy is trying to blame Democrats for not compromising with people who made a conscious, explicit decision to refuse to compromise.

 

[cubby1223]

It's time for democrats to play LETS MAKE A DEAL with the incoming Trump administration.
If republicans really want democrats to "go along" with their agenda and nominations (to a point), then first republicans must give Obama his US Supreme Court justice.

That ain't happening. So now what?

 

[dank69]

I don't know if it's conscious or unconscious internalization of that false narrative, but it's pretty funny that Pokerguy is trying to blame Democrats for not compromising with people who made a conscious, explicit decision to refuse to compromise.

You and I both know it is pure intellectual dishonesty. Pokerguy isn't a retard. I expect someone like Conner to swallow that narrative. Pokerguy just parrots it so he doesn't have to admit that maybe libs are right about something and conservatives are wrong.

 

[cubby1223]

"Should" is a very key word there. No matter which party holds the majority I think most legislation should be crafted to be at least tolerable by the other party. This idea that if your side wins you can use reconciliation, or change the parliamentary rules, or any means necessary to get your way is very destructive. Some of the more contentious but repetitive actions like confirmation of POTUS nominees should be streamlined as well, say by adopting negative consent rules (i.e. nominee is presumed to be confirmed unless the Senate votes 'no' within xx days).

But that type of clause wouldn't work. The party of the President, whether the majority or minority, can force no vote be held, thus nominee is always confirmed. It doesn't create cooperation, it opens up complete dismissal of the other party.

 

[PokerGuy]

What's interesting is that you have decided that Republicans' documented, conscious effort not to support anything the Democrats did is somehow the Democrats' fault. Did you forget that literally the night of Obama's inauguration they decided the correct course forward was not to agree with Obama on anything?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/

If Party A refuses to go along with anything Party B proposes, regardless of what it is, why is it Party B's fault when they accept that reality and go it alone?

When party B proposes something horrible and party A says "no way", and then party B decides to do it anyway without party A involvement, that's obviously on party B. There's no "give a little" in that scenario. Now the tables are turned and there's supposed to be "give a little"? I think not. Do what needs to be done to fix things, and if the dems don't want to cooperate then just ignore them and do what needs to be done.

If the republicans said "we're not doing anything you want no matter what it is" there would not have been any legislation passed over the past 8 years. Was there absolutely no legislation passed over the past 8 years?

Of course they obstructed in whatever way possible, they were trying to derail a destructive agenda. I can only assume the dems will try to do what they can to derail the Trump agenda as well.

 

[bshole]

Prepare for.....
Low unemployment
Robust economy
Lower illegal immigration
Higher deportation
Highest GDP in years
Safety through our military strength
Decreased terrorism
Rebuilding a modern infrastructure
Repeal and replacement of the failing Obamacare
Lower taxes for the middle class
Better trade agreements
Less companies moving off shore
Industry and manufacturing revitalization
Improvement of inner cities
A big FU to globalists
Better care for our Vets

I really see a lot of daylight and, frankly, I don't get all the whining. If Trump accomplishes half of these things, I'll be a happy camper.

Ok we already have low unemployment, a robust economy, one of the longest Bull markets in history (perhaps the longest) and the highest gdp ever.... those kind of drive illegal immigration.

You need to realize that Trump is inheriting an America in decidedly better shape than when he took office. Ask ANYBODY on this forum who was in the stock market during the Bush years and the Obama years, they will tell you that the Bush years were a capital destroyer and the Obama years were a capital creator.

Most sane people in the market are scared shitless about what a Trump presidency will do to their life saving that they are depending on for retirement. This combined with his pledge to attack our defined benefit plans through Social Security privatization is really scary shit.

Eight more years of an Obama economy would have allowed me to retire early, 4 years of Trump could wipe it all out.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

LOL! What is there to add? Keep pooing yourself, guy! LOL!

taking bets on who's alt this is
3:2
conner
3:2
bucky
2:1
sp33dy

 

[fskimospy]

When party B proposes something horrible and party A says "no way", and then party B decides to do it anyway without party A involvement, that's obviously on party B. There's no "give a little" in that scenario. Now the tables are turned and there's supposed to be "give a little"? I think not. Do what needs to be done to fix things, and if the dems don't want to cooperate then just ignore them and do what needs to be done.

If the republicans said "we're not doing anything you want no matter what it is" there would not have been any legislation passed over the past 8 years. Was there absolutely no legislation passed over the past 8 years?

Of course they obstructed in whatever way possible, they were trying to derail a destructive agenda. I can only assume the dems will try to do what they can to derail the Trump agenda as well.

I have to say I'm consistently impressed at your abilities of self delusion. You have somehow convinced yourself that a deliberate plan of obstruction by Republicans that started literally on the day of Obama's inauguration was actually the Democrats' fault.

Simply amazing.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have to say I'm consistently impressed at your abilities of self delusion. You have somehow convinced yourself that a deliberate plan of obstruction by Republicans that started literally on the day of Obama's inauguration was actually the Democrats' fault.

Simply amazing.

I don't find it amazing at all. It is the absolute logical position to take if you have his much greater range of moral values. It is pure logic and virtue for the good to oppose evil absolutely and without compromise. PokerGuy stands on the moral high ground defending his country from evil as his party did during the 8 years of Obama madness. It is totally wrong of you to try to convince good people they shouldn't defend the good, that they should compromise with evil. Who are you, the devil?

Personally, I salute his dedication to the good. It should be the good that is triumphant over evil.

 

[dank69]

I don't find it amazing at all. It is the absolute logical position to take if you have his much greater range of moral values. It is pure logic and virtue for the good to oppose evil absolutely and without compromise. PokerGuy stands on the moral high ground defending his country from evil as his party did during the 8 years of Obama madness. It is totally wrong of you to try to convince good people they shouldn't defend the good, that they should compromise with evil. Who are you, the devil?

Personally, I salute his dedication to the good. It should be the good that is triumphant over evil.

I personally cannot wait for all the good coming down the pike for the next 4 years.

 

[thraashman]

What's interesting is that you have decided that Republicans' documented, conscious effort not to support anything the Democrats did is somehow the Democrats' fault. Did you forget that literally the night of Obama's inauguration they decided the correct course forward was not to agree with Obama on anything?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/

If Party A refuses to go along with anything Party B proposes, regardless of what it is, why is it Party B's fault when they accept that reality and go it alone?

One third of all filibusters in this nation's history were done by the GOP in Obama's first 6 years. That's insane and shows they never had any intention of working with Obama. If democrats are even a quarter as obstructive as republicans were under Obama, the GOP will cry like it's the most unamerican thing ever done. Because being self aware is something conservatives fail at.


Thing is, even if democrats let republicans have their way in absolutely everything, when it inevitable fails like it ALWAYS does when we let conservatives make rules, they'll blame the democrat that comes in to fix it, or minorities, or anyone but themselves. And the fucktarded dipshits that vote for them will eat it all up like they always do.

 

[Moonbeam]

One third of all filibusters in this nation's history were done by the GOP in Obama's first 6 years. That's insane and shows they never had any intention of working with Obama. If democrats are even a quarter as obstructive as republicans were under Obama, the GOP will cry like it's the most unamerican thing ever done. Because being self aware is something conservatives fail at.


Thing is, even if democrats let republicans have their way in absolutely everything, when it inevitable fails like it ALWAYS does when we let conservatives make rules, they'll blame the democrat that comes in to fix it, or minorities, or anyone but themselves. And the fucktarded dipshits that vote for them will eat it all up like they always do.

The gift of a lack of self awareness is the whole point for having a conservative brain defect. Just imagine if the two conjoined......mass suicides everywhere............

 

[Moonbeam]

I personally cannot wait for all the good coming down the pike for the next 4 years.

Get used to it if Democrats can't craft a message that has universal moral appeal and effectively tout its benefits.

 

[raildogg]

Prepare for.....
Lower illegal immigration
Higher deportation
Safety through our military strength
Decreased terrorism
Better trade agreements
Less companies moving off shore
A big FU to globalists

I really see a lot of daylight and, frankly, I don't get all the whining. If Trump accomplishes half of these things, I'll be a happy camper.

Lower illegal immigrant:

Well, if Trump will supposedly improve the US economy so much, will that not create even more incentive for the so-called "illegals immigrants" to come? If the jobs going to Mexico and elsewhere are not going there and the US economy is growing greatly, will that not be attractive?

Higher deportation:

What does that mean? Just kick out whatever person you happen to find?

Safety through our military strength:

Your military is the greatest the world has ever seen. Your military has killed countless innocent Muslims since 9/11. Your military is creating destruction upon the entire planet. If that makes you feel safe, then go right ahead. It makes many Americans feel safe.

Decreased terrorism:

If you're really concerned with fighting real terrorism, you'd first look at the conduct of America's armed forces and other agencies. You reap what you sow. (By the way, America has countless military bases near Syria and Iraq, along with ground forces nearby. Why could they not repel 1,500 ISIS fighters when they took over Mosul? Is America scared of old pickup trucks?)

Better trade agreements:

Remember, these will only be better for the parties involved. These trade agreements will benefit Trump and the ones directly benefiting from them. The interest of the average person is not considered or is considered at the very far back.

Less companies moving off shore:

How will this happen? By giving them more incentives (bribes)?

A big FU to globalists:

This is really funny. Please elaborate what you mean. Trump is part of the game (globalist). His cabinet is and will be full of the elite (globalists). There is no way a man can be selected President without being part of the game.

 

[dank69]

Get used to it if Democrats can't craft a message that has universal moral appeal and effectively tout its benefits.

Doesn't matter what we say or do. We're disgusting liberals, which is worse than cancer obviously. Any Democratic leader that emerges will be immediately torn down by an avalanche of fake news from the liberal mainstream media.

 

[Moonbeam]

Doesn't matter what we say or do. We're disgusting liberals, which is worse than cancer obviously. Any Democratic leader that emerges will be immediately torn down by an avalanche of fake news from the liberal mainstream media.

In order for a leader to emerge, he or she wwill have to craft a message that has universal moral appeal and effectively tout its benefits.

 

[Thebobo]

LOL! What is there to add? Keep pooing yourself, guy! LOL!

Spidy?