If Obama is involved with the Chicago mess....

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: ScottMac
So, can you answer my earlier question? From what great well of wisdom are you drawing information that makes you such a staunch supporter of this unproven product of the Chicago Machine, BHO?

Sure. I believe in innocent before proven guilty. Rather than believe whisper campaigns or innuendo, I like to see at least a shred of evidence.

Best I can tell, the worst Obama has done is befriend (or be befriended by) Rezko. That said, Rezko also contributed to Clinton and served as a co-chair for a multimiliion-dollar fundraiser for Bush. Of course, Balgo pulled Rezko into his inner circle and it appears as if they'll be going down together. I haven't seen anything to suggest Rezko played any role in Obama's political life outside what's already been made public. Rezko definitely isn't in Obama's inner circle.

I do too. So Blago should stay in office and nominate (as is his right) anyone he wants for the seat, including himself, right?

This ain't no whisper campaign. I got to watch, up-close & personal, and he's was my senator (for what good that did, he was totally useless for that too, got nothing done aside from some of the Machine's bidding.

DO you live in Chicago, Cook County, or Illinois? OR do you just get your information from the press, mainstream media, and the BHO website?

Rezko is not the end-all, be-all of local corruption; he's just a small part of the problem.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: L00PY
You made the allegation but offered no proof. All I asked was which of the cabinet members Obama's surrounding himself with are from Chicago, Cook County, or Illinois?

What's the corruption link to the governor of AZ? Let me guess, you've got ironclad evidence that she's a rabid Suns fan and bet heavily on them against the Bulls? You've seen her marker of millions owed to the Chicago mob and that's how you know she's going to ruin the DHS? I'm guessing you've filed it right next to that copy of Obama's Indonesian birth certificate?

The link is that they were all early Obama supporters, except folks like HRC that were muzzled or bought off. I was not implying that he is hiring friends & family, that'll come later.

And, hey! even a stopped clock is right twice a day ... so drink your Kool Aid and relax and enjoy the ride.

And I've never challenged his citizenship, never ... not once. If you want to accuse me personally of something, try to get the story right. I only accuse him of being a typical Chicago, Cook County, Illinois politician, in the likeness of Blago, and like all the rest of the worthless piece of crap Machine Pols from this neighborhood.

So, can you answer my earlier question? From what great well of wisdom are you drawing information that makes you such a staunch supporter of this unproven product of the Chicago Machine, BHO?

Give me a break. What "great well of wisdom" are YOU drawing all your ideas about Obama from? You mock people for thinking he's a good guy, then turn around and assume he's Satan incarnate...how is that any more intelligent than what you accuse the other side of doing?

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Genx87
If Obama has any real ties to this insofar as he actually entertained the idea. Then he should be removed from power.

Right now however there doesnt appear to be anything that says he has anything to do with it.

If George W. Bush murdered Jon Benet Ramsey then he should be prosecuted for that crime.

Right now however there doesn't appear to be anything that says he has anything to do with it.

Haha, nice. :thumbsup:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Genx87
If Obama has any real ties to this insofar as he actually entertained the idea. Then he should be removed from power.

Right now however there doesnt appear to be anything that says he has anything to do with it.

If George W. Bush murdered Jon Benet Ramsey then he should be prosecuted for that crime.

Right now however there doesn't appear to be anything that says he has anything to do with it.

Haha, nice. :thumbsup:

Not really, it was kind of stupid.

A closer analogy would be "If George W. Bush knowingly lied about WMD, he should be prosecuted for that crime". Near impossible to prove without wiretaps, a confession, a direct witness, or a hard "documented" smoking gun.

But I'll disagree with Genx87 - if Obama entertained the idea, then rejected it, well that to me shows he passed the test and gets a :thumbsup: from me. We're all tempted, it's how we react to temptation.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

If you want it to be that light, sure.

I'm calling it "Guilt by participation," or "Guilt by being a chickenshit spineless "look the other way" " kinda of Chicago Machine Democrat (and for the record, there are some republicans in that group too from Chicago, Cook County, Illinois).

Do you have some evidence to the contrary? Do *you* believe he can swim in the cesspool for twenty years and never saw anything, never did anything contrary to the Machine, supported known corrupt local politicians with a smile on his face and a song in his heart?

Do you? Really?

Edit: since my conference call was pushed back .... some extra time ...

If there are three guys and a girl, and one guy rapes the girl and the other two guys hold her down. Aren't all three guilty of rape? Even though the other two didn't actually rape the girl, they helped, or at the least, they watched and did nothing. They not guilty?

Even if BHO didn't actively participate (and personally, I think he did), he's is as guilty because he was participatory at some direct level and went along for (ultimately) his own benefit. He's a bad as any of the charged / indicted / convicted. He was there, he saw it, he condoned it, he supported it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

If you want it to be that light, sure.

I'm calling it "Guilt by participation," or "Guilt by being a chickenshit spineless "look the other way" " kinda of Chicago Machine Democrat (and for the record, there are some republicans in that group too from Chicago, Cook County, Illinois).

Do you have some evidence to the contrary? Do *you* believe he can swim in the cesspool for twenty years and never saw anything, never did anything contrary to the Machine, supported known corrupt local politicians with a smile on his face and a song in his heart?

Do you? Really?

Do you really think he will be worse than Bush?

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

If you want it to be that light, sure.

I'm calling it "Guilt by participation," or "Guilt by being a chickenshit spineless "look the other way" " kinda of Chicago Machine Democrat (and for the record, there are some republicans in that group too from Chicago, Cook County, Illinois).

Do you have some evidence to the contrary? Do *you* believe he can swim in the cesspool for twenty years and never saw anything, never did anything contrary to the Machine, supported known corrupt local politicians with a smile on his face and a song in his heart?

Do you? Really?

Do you really think he will be worse than Bush?

Dave: This is not a "Bush thread," this is an Obama thread. Please move along and participate in any of the many "Bush Sucks" threads.

That, or please stay on topic.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: ScottMac
So, can you answer my earlier question? From what great well of wisdom are you drawing information that makes you such a staunch supporter of this unproven product of the Chicago Machine, BHO?

Sure. I believe in innocent before proven guilty. Rather than believe whisper campaigns or innuendo, I like to see at least a shred of evidence.

Best I can tell, the worst Obama has done is befriend (or be befriended by) Rezko. That said, Rezko also contributed to Clinton and served as a co-chair for a multimiliion-dollar fundraiser for Bush. Of course, Balgo pulled Rezko into his inner circle and it appears as if they'll be going down together. I haven't seen anything to suggest Rezko played any role in Obama's political life outside what's already been made public. Rezko definitely isn't in Obama's inner circle.

I do too. So Blago should stay in office and nominate (as is his right) anyone he wants for the seat, including himself, right?

This ain't no whisper campaign. I got to watch, up-close & personal, and he's was my senator (for what good that did, he was totally useless for that too, got nothing done aside from some of the Machine's bidding.

See above for the part for "shred of evidence". Blago has been caught on tape. There are clear charges out there detailing Blago's corruption and crimes. Where's the comparable evidence or charges for Obama's corruption? Surely if he's as dirty as you claim, something's there for you to bring up? But until you can produce some evidence, your whisper campaign is as believable as claims he was born in Indonesia.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

Guilt by association was good enough for Bush to get senselessly bashed in here for the last 8 years.

I don't buy the guilt by association argument for either Bush or Obama. But those in here demanding solid proof of Obama's complicity in this after snarking about Bush for 8 years based on nothing but a personal dislike, innuendo, and rhetoric; well...you are now reaping what you sowed. Welcome to the opposite side of the fence. Maybe now you guys can finally comprehend how idiotic the breathless bashers look?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

Guilt by association was good enough for Bush to get senselessly bashed in here for the last 8 years.

I don't buy the guilt by association argument for either Bush or Obama. But those in here demanding solid proof of Obama's complicity in this after snarking about Bush for 8 years based on nothing but a personal dislike, innuendo, and rhetoric; well...you are now reaping what you sowed. Welcome to the opposite side of the fence. Maybe now you guys can finally comprehend how idiotic the breathless bashers look?

WTF, Bushes associations were his underlings as in people under his command.The only one looking idiotic is you though I'm sure you'll deny it and get a a long circular debate about it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

Guilt by association was good enough for Bush to get senselessly bashed in here for the last 8 years.

I don't buy the guilt by association argument for either Bush or Obama. But those in here demanding solid proof of Obama's complicity in this after snarking about Bush for 8 years based on nothing but a personal dislike, innuendo, and rhetoric; well...you are now reaping what you sowed. Welcome to the opposite side of the fence. Maybe now you guys can finally comprehend how idiotic the breathless bashers look?

WTF, Bushes associations were his underlings as in people under his command.The only one looking idiotic is you though I'm sure you'll deny it and get a a long circular debate about it.

You mean like the CIA? Bush lied, people died? Any time some obscure Republican was brought down it was a 'sign of the corruption inherent in the GOP and Bush admin.'

Obama bashing will continue to happen with increased frequency and rabidity, going long past the point of tedium, and you get to experience it from the opposite side of the street. Idiots like you will continue to attempt to draw a distinction between the Bush bashers and Obama bashers though, when it's really different sides of the same coin. I don't expect many of the Bush bashers in here to grow up and recognize that they are/were just as insipid as our fledgling crop of Obama bashers. They'd rather split hairs than admit they are/were just as foolish.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

You mean like the CIA? Bush lied, people died? Any time some obscure Republican was brought down it was a 'sign of the corruption inherent in the GOP and Bush admin.'

Obama bashing will continue to happen with increased frequency and rabidity, going long past the point of tedium, and you get to experience it from the opposite side of the street. Idiots like you will continue to attempt to draw a distinction between the Bush bashers and Obama bashers though, when it's really different sides of the same coin. I don't expect many of the Bush bashers in here to grow up and recognize that they are/were just as insipid as our fledgling crop of Obama bashers. They'd rather split hairs than admit they are/were just as foolish.

Are you still seriously aruging that Bush didn't lie about the reasons he started his war of LIES in Iraq, or about committing torture, or about illegal spying on American citizens or any of the other lies he has told about everything since he took office, and it was all the misdeeds of his associations with "some obscure Republicans???" :shocked:

If so, let us know. I can disprove your weird delusions with a serious dose of Harvey macros. Whether you're intelligent enough, or sane enough, to comprehend the truth is another question. You've failed so far. :roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

Guilt by association was good enough for Bush to get senselessly bashed in here for the last 8 years.

I don't buy the guilt by association argument for either Bush or Obama. But those in here demanding solid proof of Obama's complicity in this after snarking about Bush for 8 years based on nothing but a personal dislike, innuendo, and rhetoric; well...you are now reaping what you sowed. Welcome to the opposite side of the fence. Maybe now you guys can finally comprehend how idiotic the breathless bashers look?

WTF, Bushes associations were his underlings as in people under his command.The only one looking idiotic is you though I'm sure you'll deny it and get a a long circular debate about it.

You mean like the CIA? Bush lied, people died? Any time some obscure Republican was brought down it was a 'sign of the corruption inherent in the GOP and Bush admin.'

Obama bashing will continue to happen with increased frequency and rabidity, going long past the point of tedium, and you get to experience it from the opposite side of the street. Idiots like you will continue to attempt to draw a distinction between the Bush bashers and Obama bashers though, when it's really different sides of the same coin. I don't expect many of the Bush bashers in here to grow up and recognize that they are/were just as insipid as our fledgling crop of Obama bashers. They'd rather split hairs than admit they are/were just as foolish.

Yeah right, so when we criticized Bush and his Admin we were just being foolish and idiotic. Rumsfield did nothing wrong, Cheney did nothing wrong, Ashcroift did nothing wrong, Brown did nothing wrong, etc. They were all above reproach and we were idiots to criticize them and Bush whom they served:roll:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

Guilt by association was good enough for Bush to get senselessly bashed in here for the last 8 years.

I don't buy the guilt by association argument for either Bush or Obama. But those in here demanding solid proof of Obama's complicity in this after snarking about Bush for 8 years based on nothing but a personal dislike, innuendo, and rhetoric; well...you are now reaping what you sowed. Welcome to the opposite side of the fence. Maybe now you guys can finally comprehend how idiotic the breathless bashers look?

WTF, Bushes associations were his underlings as in people under his command.The only one looking idiotic is you though I'm sure you'll deny it and get a a long circular debate about it.

You mean like the CIA? Bush lied, people died? Any time some obscure Republican was brought down it was a 'sign of the corruption inherent in the GOP and Bush admin.'

Obama bashing will continue to happen with increased frequency and rabidity, going long past the point of tedium, and you get to experience it from the opposite side of the street. Idiots like you will continue to attempt to draw a distinction between the Bush bashers and Obama bashers though, when it's really different sides of the same coin. I don't expect many of the Bush bashers in here to grow up and recognize that they are/were just as insipid as our fledgling crop of Obama bashers. They'd rather split hairs than admit they are/were just as foolish.

Yeah right, so when we criticized Bush and his Admin we were just being foolish and idiotic. Rumsfield did nothing wrong, Cheney did nothing wrong, Ashcroift did nothing wrong, Brown did nothing wrong, etc. They were all above reproach and we were idiots to criticize them and Bush whom they served:roll:

All Criticism is of Equal Merit!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

You mean like the CIA? Bush lied, people died? Any time some obscure Republican was brought down it was a 'sign of the corruption inherent in the GOP and Bush admin.'

Obama bashing will continue to happen with increased frequency and rabidity, going long past the point of tedium, and you get to experience it from the opposite side of the street. Idiots like you will continue to attempt to draw a distinction between the Bush bashers and Obama bashers though, when it's really different sides of the same coin. I don't expect many of the Bush bashers in here to grow up and recognize that they are/were just as insipid as our fledgling crop of Obama bashers. They'd rather split hairs than admit they are/were just as foolish.

Are you still seriously aruging that Bush didn't lie about the reasons he started his war of LIES in Iraq, or about committing torture, or about illegal spying on American citizens or any of the other lies he has told about everything since he took office, and it was all the misdeeds of his associations with "some obscure Republicans???" :shocked:

If so, let us know. I can disprove your weird delusions with a serious dose of Harvey macros. Whether you're intelligent enough, or sane enough, to comprehend the truth is another question. You've failed so far. :roll:

We've seen your "proof" macros in here for years, Harvey, and you still can't quite grasp the fact that your own hate-fueled personal opinions ,along with a link flood, doesn't constitute any sort of solid proof. You still don't seem to comprehend that being wrong does not equal "lies." You still don't seem to understand that your off-the-scale emotionally charged blathering doesn't bring any of your spewage closer to being proof.

It's clear that rhetoric and hyperbole are all you have to hold onto though. Maybe if we get a Harvey-bot in here who spews the same type of crap about Obama you'll eventually recognize yourself and reform? I doubt it, but I'm ever the optimist and believe even lost souls like you can change if they try hard enough.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah right, so when we criticized Bush and his Admin we were just being foolish and idiotic. Rumsfield did nothing wrong, Cheney did nothing wrong, Ashcroift did nothing wrong, Brown did nothing wrong, etc. They were all above reproach and we were idiots to criticize them and Bush whom they served:roll:

The vast majority of the time, yes, you were being foolish and idiotic. That's because the criticisms were so far over-the-top that they lost any validity in the process and became little more than giant circle jerks for the usual gaggle of vitriolic haters in here. Maybe, after the Obama hate machine REALLY cranks up in here, you'll recognize how that works and see you're really no better than they are. Some won't though because they only have the small-minded capacity to recognize the other side as fools, never themselves.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: L00PY
You made the allegation but offered no proof. All I asked was which of the cabinet members Obama's surrounding himself with are from Chicago, Cook County, or Illinois?

What's the corruption link to the governor of AZ? Let me guess, you've got ironclad evidence that she's a rabid Suns fan and bet heavily on them against the Bulls? You've seen her marker of millions owed to the Chicago mob and that's how you know she's going to ruin the DHS? I'm guessing you've filed it right next to that copy of Obama's Indonesian birth certificate?

The link is that they were all early Obama supporters, except folks like HRC that were muzzled or bought off. I was not implying that he is hiring friends & family, that'll come later.

And, hey! even a stopped clock is right twice a day ... so drink your Kool Aid and relax and enjoy the ride.

And I've never challenged his citizenship, never ... not once. If you want to accuse me personally of something, try to get the story right. I only accuse him of being a typical Chicago, Cook County, Illinois politician, in the likeness of Blago, and like all the rest of the worthless piece of crap Machine Pols from this neighborhood.

So, can you answer my earlier question? From what great well of wisdom are you drawing information that makes you such a staunch supporter of this unproven product of the Chicago Machine, BHO?

Give me a break. What "great well of wisdom" are YOU drawing all your ideas about Obama from? You mock people for thinking he's a good guy, then turn around and assume he's Satan incarnate...how is that any more intelligent than what you accuse the other side of doing?

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

Since you seem to want play the inside information game, when in fact you have none, i'll play along. I grew up in Chicago also. As a matter of fact, I was born and raised in Hyde Park, less than a mile from where Obama's house is. I worked for years over at Hyde Park Computers over on 53rd & Harper. After college I worked at the University of Chicago (in Hyde Park). I moved back to Hyde Park after that and lived on 55th street until August of this year. I know that neigborhood as well as you or anyone else here. His neighborhood is my neighborhood.

I disagree with just about everything you wrote. Obama didn't mysteriously rise through the ranks, he worked his way up it. If you were suprised, it's because you weren't paying attention. Without a doubt Obama had to deal with shady characters on his way up, as all polticians do. What I saw is that he used them, they didn't use him. Obama never embraced their politics or their morals, and he wasn't embraced by them either. Politicians out of Hyde Park have always been outside of the system and simply "tolerated" by the machine. Maybe sitting in the Burbs, you painted everyone with a broad brush, but from inside I can certify that there are real differences between people and places in my city.

Machine dude for Daley? I'm going to call you an outright liar on that one. Anyone who pays attention should know that Obama's not a Daley guy. So you're either lying about how much you know and pay attention, or you know the truth and are misrepresenting it. Beyond all of your innuendo, and smear tactics, there lies a simple question:

What exactly did he do? What exactly are you accusing him of?

If you can't answer that simple question, other than he grew up in a place with bad people, you have no point. In all of that diatribe, the only thing that I saw you complain about specifically is that he endorsed the front-running Democrat. Well....welcome to the American two party system. If you're a democrat, you endorse whichever Dem your party nominates, if you're a republican you do the same thing. There's nothing that's "chicago politics" about something so basic. Frankly I have no reason to belive that the Republican counterparts that he didn't endorse were any better. Being from here, surely you know that a Republican Governor went to jail before Blago. If Obama's crime is that he didn't endorse some righteous third party and doom himself to political obscurity, then i'll take it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

We've seen your "proof" macros in here for years, Harvey, and you still can't quite grasp the fact that your own hate-fueled personal opinions ,along with a link flood, doesn't constitute any sort of solid proof.

We've seen all of your denials, here, for years, TLC, and you still can't quite grasp that the facts I've listed, and the links to sources confirming them, DO constitute proof to anyone with a rational mind.

Of course, that still excludes you. :laugh:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ScottMac

I got to watch him "grow up" politically in Chicago. I've been in Chicago and 'burbs (Cook County) for over thirty years, so I got to experience Chicago-style politics "close up." I lived next door to the precinct, we weren't friends, but we talked occasionally and the stuff that rolled downhill to his level for execution was amazing.

I wasn't mocking him or anyone else on this board. I still find it hard to believe how the BHO supporters can assume this man to be able to swim through a cesspool for twenty years or so, and never saw anything, never did anything ... he just mysteriously rises through the ranks ... clean as the day he was born. Are BHO supporters *really* that friggin' naive and / or stupid and / or ignorant?

Again, at the least, he saw it, condoned it, supported it. He's a Machine Dude for Daley. He is no different than any other Machine Dude for Daley (including our pals Dave and Rahm .. they are and were some of cogs that made the machine work). He's as dirty as any of them, not by association, but because he was part of them (still is) and fully supported them all.

So we've got a good 'guilt by association' logical fallacy going here.

Guilt by association was good enough for Bush to get senselessly bashed in here for the last 8 years.

I don't buy the guilt by association argument for either Bush or Obama. But those in here demanding solid proof of Obama's complicity in this after snarking about Bush for 8 years based on nothing but a personal dislike, innuendo, and rhetoric; well...you are now reaping what you sowed. Welcome to the opposite side of the fence. Maybe now you guys can finally comprehend how idiotic the breathless bashers look?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Bush was responsible for the actions of his subordinates. You ever remember that little desk reminder Truman had that said 'the buck stops here'? Obama is being held responsible for some nebulous corruption that is being asserted against a city and a state. You're so desperate to equate the two and find partisan hypocrisy that you jumped the gun... and it's totally absurd.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Bush was responsible for the actions of his subordinates. You ever remember that little desk reminder Truman had that said 'the buck stops here'? Obama is being held responsible for some nebulous corruption that is being asserted against a city and a state. You're so desperate to equate the two and find partisan hypocrisy that you jumped the gun... and it's totally absurd.

So Obama was not involved in this at all and had no knowledge whatsoever of the goings on? He has to be a direct boss to be held accountable? That's piss poor reasoning and very nearly apologism. If one of the Bush bashers in here even had the suspicion that Bush was involved in something similar the usual suspects would be asking that he be perp walked and strung up for it, long before any pronunciation of guilt was handed down.

Now you're seeing the other side do what you guys have done for 8 years. Suddenly you recognize how moronic it is, but only when that other side does it? Wow. What a surprise.

:roll:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Now you're seeing the other side do what you guys have done for 8 years. Suddenly you recognize how moronic it is, but only when that other side does it? Wow. What a surprise.

:roll:

You are so full of shit, you may have cornered the world market. You have nothing but unsubstantiated guilt by association. We have documented crime. after crime, after crime committed by your Traitor In Chief and his terrorist gang of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers.

I know... I know... you don't accept the validity of the evidence. You might be able to see it... if you ever pulled your head from between your gluteal cheeks, but I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

We've seen your "proof" macros in here for years, Harvey, and you still can't quite grasp the fact that your own hate-fueled personal opinions ,along with a link flood, doesn't constitute any sort of solid proof.

We've seen all of your denials, here, for years, TLC, and you still can't quite grasp that the facts I've listed, and the links to sources confirming them, DO constitute proof to anyone with a delusional mind.

Of course, that still excludes you. :laugh:

fixed

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah right, so when we criticized Bush and his Admin we were just being foolish and idiotic. Rumsfield did nothing wrong, Cheney did nothing wrong, Ashcroift did nothing wrong, Brown did nothing wrong, etc. They were all above reproach and we were idiots to criticize them and Bush whom they served:roll:

The vast majority of the time, yes, you were being foolish and idiotic. That's because the criticisms were so far over-the-top that they lost any validity in the process and became little more than giant circle jerks for the usual gaggle of vitriolic haters in here. Maybe, after the Obama hate machine REALLY cranks up in here, you'll recognize how that works and see you're really no better than they are. Some won't though because they only have the small-minded capacity to recognize the other side as fools, never themselves.

Funny it was always you who I thought was foolish and idiotic. I'm sure my opinion of you holds as much water with you are yours does with me.

Anyway the nightmare from the last 8 years is almost over, hopefully Obama will fare better but that's to be seen

 

[WHAMPOM]

Are we comparing Barack surviving a sea of political corruption and George wallowing in it??