The Company I worked for before the schools was taken over by the same Wall Street thugs that orchestrated the Enron take down. The very same now defunct Andersen Consulting firm also cooked the books for Enron. The Compnay I worked for is where they came up with the model of how do extract the money out of the companies and take them down while making the very top officers very very rich.
People like Vic think they know everything but they don't know jack.
Republican does not equal conservative.
Nice try though.
edit to add- Since you use the term republican=conservative we can play that game.. since thats the "truth" according to you then yeah, those pesky republicans also interfered with the democrat south when you were whipping black people as well.
Faith based orgs are absolutely a freedom. There is no seperation of church and state.
JD50
Lifer
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He is right, Republican does not equal conservative. I vote mainly Republican because I believe that the majority of the time they are the lesser of two evils.
Using your logic, if a liberal voted for Bush in the last Presidential election then that would mean that liberal equals Republican.
So, like he said, nice try.
Did I disagree with that statement? I used to be a registered Republican until Bush Sr. started mucking things up. I particuarly remember when he deined that we we were in a recession for 6 months beofre he did anything about it. I also remember his infamous "No new taxes" pledge.
I simply asked who "crusader" voted for. If he/you voted for Bush that's fine, it's a free country. I just ask you have the balls to step up to the plate and admit it. My 20/20 hindsight tells me tht Kerry would have made a much better choice as President of ALL the people, not just the Bush Jr.'s elite base.
I'm not a democrat. So who was the "you were whipping black people as well" meant for? Additionally, my family came to the U.S. in the 1930s... so no one was around from the civil war.
If Republicans aren't conservative, then who is?
Repeating something that doesn't make sense doesn't make it make sense.. How are faith based organizations a "freedom." I just don't understand what that sentence is supposed to mean.
I don't see how things could possibly be worse... I mean, Republicans lost both houses, every week we hear from another top official or bipartisan analysis of how we continue to be misled about Iraq and Bush continues to do absolutely nothing to change our situation there... Every week he repeats himself that he will "consider" other options, but does nothing. What could be worse? Having our own troops start firing on one another?
President Bush is the President for all people. If you have complaints, you should have worked harder in the last election to stop him.
Complaining here and now does nothing but further your own misery.
I voted for President Bush twice. Even though its kinda rude to ask someone that.. I dont mind replying. I would vote the same way again, both times. He is the best man for the job IMO.
The only problem here isnt the President, its a large faction of the American public and media that hog-tie our efforts. Most of them are still angry that America was (during the cold war) and today the major force pushing democracy/capitalism in the world.
If you are a socialist, you definitely want the USA taken down.
I'm not saying all opponents to the War on Terror are socialists, but the aging hippies still are in amazement how Reagan ended up defeating the Soviets.. leaving little real force for socialism/communism in the world facing the USA.
So now, its "take the USA down from within" as a policy on the left, more than ever. That faction is a huge push behind the "bring the troops home" dogma.
Failing in Iraq and the overall war on terror wont make us any stronger. We need to backup the government that was voted in Iraq and that both democrats and republicans OK'd.
As far as I'm concerned, the troops definitely need pulled out of Iraq.
...and moved into Iran.
Preventing the state sponsors of terrorism such as Iran, will be a large part in stabilizing Iraq.
Worst case scenario: Iran takes Iraq (through force or a puppet government). I dont have a single middle eastern friend (most of mine are Saudi admittedly) that wants that particular scenario.
If you want a strong America moving forward into this century.. we cant fail in Iraq.
Many will tell you succeeding in Iraq is impossible, ect and so on. But thats more of a political view (not to mention a defeatist attitude).
We can achieve anything we really want to do
When we're dealing with people who will send their children out to be suicide bombers- we need to unleash the fury.
We can never win fighting people who value death more than life. When you place more value in killing and dying for 'allah'.. rather than living, raising a family and living for 'allah'.. you have a fundamental problem on your hands.
It will take a dirty nuke to wipe out the east coast or west coast to wakeup the American people (and unpleasant as it sounds, it will happen).. but eventually we'll have to unleash General Shermans method of dealing with the south (total war).
I'm positive with our current cut-and-run policy in the middle east, we'll be hit with a nuke sooner rather than later.. these people have to be faced and better now than later.
This isnt the USSR or China, who we can negotiate with.
China might want to be the next USA, and maybe kick a little Japanese ass in retribution for WW2..but they are about 5,000 years ahead evolution-wise of blowing up their children in the name of God.
The reason we havent been hit with a nuke yet, is because our enemies know if that happens now.. they will cease to exist entirely. Which is what will happen.
North Korea, the mideast.. they dont want to be wiped off the map.
So instead, play the games they are now with terrorists and try to get us out of Iraq. No one can defeat the USA face to face, so do it from within. The leftists love it, they are playing right along.
Becoming Neville Chamberlain is the wrong way to go here, we'll figure that out one way or another eventually.
Just my opinion. But Bush is good, and he needs to be far more brutal and invasive in the mideast. This pussyfooting we've done so far is ridiculous considering what we are up against.
her209
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Well, Neville Chamberlain had the right idea but his timing was WAY off. In today's nuclear armed world we can never let things advance to the point where a goverment would purposefully nuke another country.
Coming from the "aging hippie" generation I can tell you that Iraq is nothing but your generation's Vietnam. The big difference is that today we don't have a draft and that is limiting the number of soldiers we can readily deploy. It would be interesting to see what would happen if we re-instated the draft in order to disarm Iran. You sound like a younger man, are you ready to Iran to fight? For that matter are you willing to go to Iraq for an extened stay to back up their goverment? If so for how long? Are you willing to be the person who burns the fields in your scorched earth war?
You admit we can't win without dropping a nuke. What makes you think we can win by dropping a nuke? I believe it was the leader of North Vietnam who predicted that the US would tire of killing them before they tired of being killed.
You seem reasonable, and capable of holding a decent conversation. I appreciate that, and will answer your questions because of that.
As far as Iran, I'm 100% positive the best move is to invade. We disrupted the fragile Saddam vs Ahmadimijad(sp) balance that existed before.
Theres no backing out now or we are a disgraceful nation. Yes, we had plenty of levers to pull rather than invade Iraq.. but at the time with what we knew, it was the right thing to do.
I know there are many people who hate the President and blame him entirely for nearly every problem under the sun, including this war.
But its my opinion that the President of the United States holds more right to rule and make the decisions hes made than any king ever had. Hes our representative, we chose him and we need to stand behind him.
Theres rubble rousers everywhere, always, seeking power and trying to disrupt the ruling party. Thats in their best interests, not the nations.
My President no matter who it is, is my representation of American pretiege and power. At the core, all I ask is that he defend us. Bush has done this. We havent been attacked since 9/11.
We will be, but hes done an amazing job, and all this anti-Patriot act business does is weaken us.
The only freedom I lost with the Patriot act? My freedom to plot to kill Americans.
If Bush really wants to read my emails about the new pair of undies I bought the other day, more power to him. But I sure as hell want the gov't investigating anyone they deem suspicous.. I trust them, we elected our government to power.
If you dont trust the gov't.. better work harder next time to defeat them. I for one, believe in the system and feel the republicans had what was coming to them in congress.
But I fully believe the President is still a great President and a good man with national security in mind.
Not regaining political power like the democrats have been after the past 5 years since 9/11. They pandered to the Left, used the leftist media hype machine and the useful idiots.. and now they will move to the center-right (people like me) and try to take the "We DO love America" stance. Not all of us fell for it yet.
I didnt say we had to drop a nuke to win.. we need to either pacify those people by sprinking drugs on them (some sort of happy pills, LSD something of that nature). To mellow them out a bit.. or go medieval on them.
Since sprinkling LSD on them is far-fetched, we'll probably have to go medieval and end the east vs west war once and for all. Hopefully the world isnt destroyed due to it, but thats why we need to do it while America is still the greatest superpower.. I think we can prevent that, and have the worlds best interest (peace and preservation) more-so than anyone else. Thats why I'm a patriot and love the country.
No one "wins" dropping nukes.
Thats why I said why we havent been hit yet, they do that and they are dead meat because we have 50 hundred more nukes than anyone else. And a good nation like ours who did the right thing in WW1/2 by getting involved in EUROPES' bullshit, should def have that authority.
I'm never going to run away from a draft. Thats a part of my obligation by choosing to live here. Part of being an American means you enjoy freedoms and the priviledge to be an American.. but you have to register for selective service and do what your elected government tells you to do.
I think it was Socrates who was sentenced to death by a jury of his peers and said that if you choose to live somewhere you are also obliged to go along with their judgement of you.. being as you chose to live/support the system.
Thats a principle I cant deny and couldnt live with myself to turn back on.
One of my grandfathers told me to run to Canada if I'm ever drafted, the other said basically to go of course but to not sign up for the current war (both are WW2 vets with purple hearts). Now, dont assume the one grandfather is against the current war, he is just old (90) and cares about me just as I will about my kids someday.
I havent signed up because I'm still in school.. I'm constantly debating joining the military as an officer after I finish my masters degree which I'm currently working on.
While I'm not going to strap a bomb on my children (which sickens me to even type).. I have honor, I'm not going to turn my back on my nation. No way, and I'd rather be dead than no longer be a man.
Not all of us believe honor and chivalry died with the middle ages.
But I fully support our elected officials and our troops. And I am EXTREMELY angered when our troops kill someone they feel is a threat, and they are brought home on MURDER charges.
This is a war. We voted to send them there through our officials and if anyone has a problem with a soldiers conduct, I think they automatically should get to take their place.
Maybe some of these bleeding heart liberals can show us how to fight a "proper war".. since our boys kill "innocents".
Theres no innocents in war, the soldier is acting on our authorization and if he felt someone was a threat (and over there that can be a child).. then I stand behind him all the way.
No more troops charged for crimes during war. They are doing our nations will. And thats my biggest problem with the current administation.
Untie our militarys hands, and lets rock these mother-fvckers. We have been pussyfooting since 9/11. The Patriot Act is far to weak to protect America, and we need a Patton over there.
The biggest injustices going on under the USAs control is prosecuting our own troops.. and not doing the world a favor (again) and defeating these people who value death more than life. We did the world a favor in WW1/2 and are still hated.
I just hope we can defeat this islamic driven threat, and continue to be hated. Our presence in the world ensures Pax Romana.. whether that means keeping China out of Japan.. or Russia out of Europe.. though thats one thing we do need to do though, is remove alot of our old military bases and get the Europeans to start to look over their shoulders again, create some destability in that region. We're paying for their stability anyway. India and Pakistan need to be prodded into conflict as well, I think that could be used to help us fix the islamic problem.
And yes I am 25 so I'm young, but probably not for this message board.
As far as Iran, I'm 100% positive the best move is to invade. We disrupted the fragile Saddam vs Ahmadimijad(sp) balance that existed before.
Theres no backing out now or we are a disgraceful nation. Yes, we had plenty of levers to pull rather than invade Iraq.. but at the time with what we knew, it was the right thing to do.
I know there are many people who hate the President and blame him entirely for nearly every problem under the sun, including this war.
But its my opinion that the President of the United States holds more right to rule and make the decisions hes made than any king ever had. Hes our representative, we chose him and we need to stand behind him.
Theres rubble rousers everywhere, always, seeking power and trying to disrupt the ruling party. Thats in their best interests, not the nations.
My President no matter who it is, is my representation of American pretiege and power. At the core, all I ask is that he defend us. Bush has done this. We havent been attacked since 9/11.
We will be, but hes done an amazing job, and all this anti-Patriot act business does is weaken us.
The only freedom I lost with the Patriot act? My freedom to plot to kill Americans.
If Bush really wants to read my emails about the new pair of undies I bought the other day, more power to him. But I sure as hell want the gov't investigating anyone they deem suspicous.. I trust them, we elected our government to power.
If you dont trust the gov't.. better work harder next time to defeat them. I for one, believe in the system and feel the republicans had what was coming to them in congress.
But I fully believe the President is still a great President and a good man with national security in mind.
Not regaining political power like the democrats have been after the past 5 years since 9/11. They pandered to the Left, used the leftist media hype machine and the useful idiots.. and now they will move to the center-right (people like me) and try to take the "We DO love America" stance. Not all of us fell for it yet.
I didnt say we had to drop a nuke to win.. we need to either pacify those people by sprinking drugs on them (some sort of happy pills, LSD something of that nature). To mellow them out a bit.. or go medieval on them.
Since sprinkling LSD on them is far-fetched, we'll probably have to go medieval and end the east vs west war once and for all. Hopefully the world isnt destroyed due to it, but thats why we need to do it while America is still the greatest superpower.. I think we can prevent that, and have the worlds best interest (peace and preservation) more-so than anyone else. Thats why I'm a patriot and love the country.
No one "wins" dropping nukes.
Thats why I said why we havent been hit yet, they do that and they are dead meat because we have 50 hundred more nukes than anyone else. And a good nation like ours who did the right thing in WW1/2 by getting involved in EUROPES' bullshit, should def have that authority.
I'm never going to run away from a draft. Thats a part of my obligation by choosing to live here. Part of being an American means you enjoy freedoms and the priviledge to be an American.. but you have to register for selective service and do what your elected government tells you to do.
I think it was Socrates who was sentenced to death by a jury of his peers and said that if you choose to live somewhere you are also obliged to go along with their judgement of you.. being as you chose to live/support the system.
Thats a principle I cant deny and couldnt live with myself to turn back on.
One of my grandfathers told me to run to Canada if I'm ever drafted, the other said basically to go of course but to not sign up for the current war (both are WW2 vets with purple hearts). Now, dont assume the one grandfather is against the current war, he is just old (90) and cares about me just as I will about my kids someday.
I havent signed up because I'm still in school.. I'm constantly debating joining the military as an officer after I finish my masters degree which I'm currently working on.
While I'm not going to strap a bomb on my children (which sickens me to even type).. I have honor, I'm not going to turn my back on my nation. No way, and I'd rather be dead than no longer be a man.
Not all of us believe honor and chivalry died with the middle ages.
But I fully support our elected officials and our troops. And I am EXTREMELY angered when our troops kill someone they feel is a threat, and they are brought home on MURDER charges.
This is a war. We voted to send them there through our officials and if anyone has a problem with a soldiers conduct, I think they automatically should get to take their place.
Maybe some of these bleeding heart liberals can show us how to fight a "proper war".. since our boys kill "innocents".
Theres no innocents in war, the soldier is acting on our authorization and if he felt someone was a threat (and over there that can be a child).. then I stand behind him all the way.
No more troops charged for crimes during war. They are doing our nations will. And thats my biggest problem with the current administation.
Untie our militarys hands, and lets rock these mother-fvckers. We have been pussyfooting since 9/11. The Patriot Act is far to weak to protect America, and we need a Patton over there.
The biggest injustices going on under the USAs control is prosecuting our own troops.. and not doing the world a favor (again) and defeating these people who value death more than life. We did the world a favor in WW1/2 and are still hated.
I just hope we can defeat this islamic driven threat, and continue to be hated. Our presence in the world ensures Pax Romana.. whether that means keeping China out of Japan.. or Russia out of Europe.. though thats one thing we do need to do though, is remove alot of our old military bases and get the Europeans to start to look over their shoulders again, create some destability in that region. We're paying for their stability anyway. India and Pakistan need to be prodded into conflict as well, I think that could be used to help us fix the islamic problem.
And yes I am 25 so I'm young, but probably not for this message board.
Cheney donated his Halliburton blood money to take advantage of the 2005 Katrina tax loop hole that allowed 100% of his gift to reduce his tax burden. He is no saint, but neither are the Democrats or any politician for that matter. So can we stop the page long posts of name calling and "just all try to get along"?
Well, not that it is a proportional relationship, but Cheney is worth about 100mm vs Gore's 1.5mm
You said in an earlier post that republican does not equal conservative and I asked who you voted for. You have vigorously defended Bush and all his policies and want to attack yet another country and expand the Patriot Act.
Obviously you are a republican, not a conservative and that was what I was wondering about.
My Dad is a WW2 vet and has 2 purple hearts. He is very conservative and he was against invading Iraq from the get go. He didn't vote for Bush in the last presidential election and it was probably one of the few (possibly the first) time he never voted a straight GOP ticket. Although he didn't want the GOP to lose control of the House, he was hoping they would lose control of the Senate.
Are you dead, retarded, or do you just like to ignore the facts, which were clearly laid out for you.
Cheney's donation had absolutely no effect whatsoever on his tax rate. He would have paid exactly the same amount in taxes on his income had he not made the donation. Katrina had nothing to do with it. If you look at the numbers, he received a 25% tax write off on that donation, which directly offset the portion of the donation
which he was taxed on. This left it a tax neutral transaction.
You saw the math, you tried unsuccessfully to dispute it, and now you keep spouting your BS like it never happened. We can't "all get along" as long as you keep posting lies.
Stop talking about something if you obviously have no intent of representing the truth of the matter.
I feel myself forced to wonder, how are the hands of our military tied? I was in the military for almost seven years, I know tons of people that are in Iraq. None of them have ever said that their units have been prevented from doing anything. In fact, for a long time commanders were being pushed to be MORE aggressive then they thought wise. Look how well it's worked.
When leftists show how innocents are being killed, lives destroyed, etc, it is more of a reason to say "This is why we shouldn't get involved in wars of choice... look at the consequences of your actions". I think for you to say that there are no innocents in war however is obviously wrong. People are not guilty or innocent based on the geographical location of their home.
I know of no soldier that has fired in good faith and been brought home on murder charges. (are you thinking of one in particular that I don't know about?). That being said, yeah... it does suck the way our rules of engagement are structured. They definitely serve to screw the soldier over. (Pretty much they are written so that no matter what happens, after the fact if the outcome is bad the soldier can be blamed)
As far as voting out the government if you don't trust them... that doesn't work. I don't trust ANYONE with the powers that the congress has passed for Bush (and especially not the ones he has just taken in violation of acts of congress). Those powers once granted, are extremely difficult to take away, as you are essentially asking someone to voluntarily give up power. This is an infrequent occurance.
I may have just spent a lot of time responding to what could be a joke or a troll post... but if you seriously have using nuclear weapons as an option, then you need to seriously re-examine your premise of us doing "what is best for the world"
When leftists show how innocents are being killed, lives destroyed, etc, it is more of a reason to say "This is why we shouldn't get involved in wars of choice... look at the consequences of your actions". I think for you to say that there are no innocents in war however is obviously wrong. People are not guilty or innocent based on the geographical location of their home.
I know of no soldier that has fired in good faith and been brought home on murder charges. (are you thinking of one in particular that I don't know about?). That being said, yeah... it does suck the way our rules of engagement are structured. They definitely serve to screw the soldier over. (Pretty much they are written so that no matter what happens, after the fact if the outcome is bad the soldier can be blamed)
As far as voting out the government if you don't trust them... that doesn't work. I don't trust ANYONE with the powers that the congress has passed for Bush (and especially not the ones he has just taken in violation of acts of congress). Those powers once granted, are extremely difficult to take away, as you are essentially asking someone to voluntarily give up power. This is an infrequent occurance.
I may have just spent a lot of time responding to what could be a joke or a troll post... but if you seriously have using nuclear weapons as an option, then you need to seriously re-examine your premise of us doing "what is best for the world"
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