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If John Boehner Made Deal Paul Ryan Did, Conservatives Would’ve Called For His Head

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senseamp said:
Looks like the usual GOP, pass a bunch of tax corporate tax breaks without any offsets to pay fro them.
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Behave at least there wasn't a ton of drama and people wanting everything without compromise because it helps the other party.
This deal isn't perfect but it worked they way its supposed to
 
boomerang said:
Not being content with how they feel, the left continues to command the right how they should feel.
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Like I said- let it all hang out. Show us your values, common decency obviously not being a part of it. Reveal petty hearts seething with resentment. Rave on until the rest of us get really sick & tired of your shit.
 
eskimospy said:
The GOP is the most conservative major national party in the developed world by a wide margin. The idea that their policy stances are still so unacceptably liberal to the conservative base in America is frankly disturbing. How nuts have people gone?
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You are forgetting that freedom and American independence were ideas from a small, enlightened urban population, with most of them in the Northeast. The stock of most Americans probably does not actually hold those ideas with any true support. That is why somethings like freedom to say what you want, or freedom from undue persecution, are known as liberalism, as they have nothing to do with conservatism.

Most Republicans, possibly including many here, probably do not even know that Republicans and traditional American Conservatism is actually known as Conservative Liberalism. But I think it was very obvious most right wing Americans were not actually Conservative Liberals.
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
Yet you certainly didn't see many Dems bitching about delaying the ACA Cadillac tax a couple years. But hey, that's different!
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No, not at all.

I am wondering what the balance of all this is going to end up looking like. But then again going without a working government might cost us more than some unbalanced budgeting legislation.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
These things are somehow significant in their tiny brains...no matter how trivial or nonsensical the point.
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Do you mean that I should get all excited when the Republican house evolves from shoveling cow shit to picking up horse dung. Isn't it the fact that the change is so trivial the reason I shouldn't be impressed? We're talking about a party here that is going through incredible gyrations trying to prevent itself from being as crazy as it wants to be so that it has some chance of winning national elections where they can't gerrymander or block minorities from going to the poles. I just watched a room full of fucking imbeciles offer to bomb the rest of the world back to the stone age so chicken little cowards could feel safe. The Republican party is full of fucking insane monsters. I wish them a swift extinction. They are against every principle this country used to stand for. Hideous fucking worthless scum, sorry about that. The Republican party is a bigger threat to the US than ISIS will ever be.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I agree that it's a positive step. My comment was directed towards the OP, and the negative way in which he framed this.
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Such a delicate little flower!

How else would you put it- "Repubs calculate that obstructionist raving won't look good on anybody come the election"?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I agree that it's a positive step. My comment was directed towards the OP, and the negative way in which he framed this.
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Meh. It seems pretty mild by P&N standards, but I agree it would have been more productive to present this story without the dig, especially not in the title.
 
I think bohner retiring was the slap in the face the GOP needed. they were acting like children and now they know it. they should act like adults for a while.

both sides need a good slap. to many on both sides see compromise as a failure.
 
waggy said:
I think bohner retiring was the slap in the face the GOP needed. they were acting like children and now they know it. they should act like adults for a while.

both sides need a good slap. to many on both sides see compromise as a failure.
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I'd suggest flogging, personally, but I suppose a slap is a good start.
 
Republicans - the champions of demacracy!

And the righties here have the nerve to say dems are the corporate shills while never even voicing a concern when shit like this gets added on, let alone pointing it out in the first place.

blankslate said:
It'll possibly cut domestic supplies and raise gas prices... perhaps just in time to affect the 2016 elections </tinfoil hat>




I'm more concerned about the possibility of banning the SEC (or perhaps it's another gov't regulatory body) from requiring publicly traded companies from disclosing which candidates or public office holders they donate money to. Pretty it would have a similar effect of putting corporate logos on politicians' suits so we knew who owned them

The above could have been done a long time ago but wasn't.... it's a pity because more information and transparency is better than less.

It's funny how with each spending bill passed we get more restrictions on things that could let voters be more informed. Of course, we can also wonder at the SEC's lack of action on something they should have done before this bill included that section.



*e2a*
found a link relevant to my point.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/deal-re...fcorporate-political-contributions-1450268159



It's a convenient excuse... because you don't have to be wildly cynical to realize that political spending can yield significant return on investment that affects a company's bottom line.


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Jhhnn said:
How else would you put it- "Repubs calculate that obstructionist raving won't look good on anybody come the election"?
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Or you could put it this way - "Democrats calculate that a significant tax increase adversely affecting a major portion of their union constituency will likely not help them this election cycle." Psst....I'll let you in on a little secret that has apparently eluded you...both sides do it.
 
Jaskalas said:
SESSIONS: THIS is why voters in 'open rebellion'...
I for one am with Sessions and stand opposed to Ryan.

And just think, Ryan was the "Conservative" VP for Mitt Romney. If Ryan gives the Democrats everything they want, what would Romney have done? Don't need to ask, Obama copied Romney for the ACA. Republican and Democrat leaders, the establishment, are the same.

They are the same and if you want change in Washington you need to destroy the GOP and form a new opposition party.
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In what way is this bill giving Democrats "everything they want"? From my limited reading it seems like the GOP got more than the Dems did...
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Or you could put it this way - "Democrats calculate that a significant tax increase adversely affecting a major portion of their union constituency will likely not help them this election cycle." Psst....I'll let you in on a little secret that has apparently eluded you...both sides do it.
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Lame assertion is lame the first time, worse when you drag it back to the front. Cadillac health plans are more of feature of the executive suite than the shop floor.

Anybody with a lick of sense knows that.

Remember what prompted Boehner's resignation? It was another extortion attempt by the Freedom Caucus, this time the threat to shut down the govt over continued funding of PP, A feature of our healthcare system for 40 years.

By Repubs' own rules, he couldn't get around them. They're only 9% of the HOR. Lacking the necessary strength to avoid that, he quit rather than being a part of it. That, in turn, forced the FC to back down, at least for awhile. They still have the party by the short & curlies, bet on that.
 
dank69 said:
You have at least one person in this very thread calling Ryan a RINO for this. The title is spot on accurate. If this was Boehner, the RINO chants would be deafening.
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You're most likely correct...but you fail to mention that Boehner had accumulated a ton of political baggage over the years which Ryan doesn't have. Your failure and the OP's failure to recognize or even acknowledge this obvious and significant difference is quite curious. But perhaps I'm missing something profound here. What exactly is your point? Because all I can see is the idiotic partisan drivel of slack-jaws.
 
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Jhhnn said:
Lame assertion is lame the first time, worse when you drag it back to the front. Cadillac health plans are more of feature of the executive suite than the shop floor.

Anybody with a lick of sense knows that.
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Link?

Jhhnn said:
Remember what prompted Boehner's resignation? It was another extortion attempt by the Freedom Caucus, this time the threat to shut down the govt over continued funding of PP, A feature of our healthcare system for 40 years.

By Repubs' own rules, he couldn't get around them. They're only 9% of the HOR. Lacking the necessary strength to avoid that, he quit rather than being a part of it. That, in turn, forced the FC to back down, at least for awhile. They still have the party by the short & curlies, bet on that.
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Thanks for the info Capt. Obvious.
 
dank69 said:
In what way is this bill giving Democrats "everything they want"? From my limited reading it seems like the GOP got more than the Dems did...
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We'll see. Senatorial Repubs will likely put the tax bill ahead of the spending bill to assure passage. If they don't, Dems might filibuster the tax bill. I doubt that Senatorial Repubs would vote down the spending bill. McConnell is too smart. Senate Repubs already carry more liabilities than he'd like & carrying HOR freedom caucus bullshit is currently more than he'll likely take on.

But, you go, Trumpsters! As the Repub presidential nominee he might drag the whole party down with him. I can't imagine how bitter it would be for McConnell & friends to have to endorse the Donald. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Or you could put it this way - "Democrats calculate that a significant tax increase adversely affecting a major portion of their union constituency will likely not help them this election cycle." Psst....I'll let you in on a little secret that has apparently eluded you...both sides do it.
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Don't bother, when you get as indoctrinated as he is you are just talking to a brick wall with graffiti that says "They are worse though" on it. You will never get a rational or objective conversation out of that twit.
 
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