If I sell an item, do I have to refund it?

[Ubiquity]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Personally, I wouldn't want to deal with the guy. It sounds like you haven't shipped it yet -- Paypal has a 'refund' option which refunds the entire dollar amount including fees, and nobody is out anything. If it hasn't shipped, and if it hasn't taken much of your time, I would personally just use the refund button and stop the deal immediately.

IMHO, it's not worth the hassle he could bring you later on.

That would have been more than acceptable to me. Once this trade had obviously turned sour, I wanted out. He refuses.

Originally posted by: blazert40

Do NOT ship until the money clears!

Don't let him bully you into caving into his demands.

I never expected him to ship until the money cleared. If he implied that I tried to 'bully' him then he is being manipulative.

I'm also somewhat amused how he never actually answered repeated requests in this very thread to confirm if the item shipped or didn't ship. Let me repeat myself: THE ITEM DID NOT SHIP YET.

Also, he has here and other places tried to make some argument that he really needs the money and he has no other buyers and is in dire need of money, yadda yadda. Yet my original email to him in which I made an offer of $200 was greeted with:

Sry, already received offers with video cards and such, resulting in totals more than 200$. I can do 210, but I keep the headphones. LMK.

I payed for the item on Monday, and since then has continued to bump his For Sale thread an take offers on the item from people. Why is he taking offers on an item that I sent payment on?

Why, if as he says, he is in dire need of the funds to pay off his credit card, is he accepting trades of video cards for the item? I wasn't aware that Visa accepted video cards as a form of payment.

 

[xSeongminx]

Well, for the last part, I bumped and edited my "sold" cause I was going to try to sell it again and just refund your money. The item was paid for with an eCheck, hence I had to wait till it clears and you acknowledged that.

Anywhos, this is almost settled, pending an email to him right now.

 

[deadlierchair]

Originally posted by: xSeongminx
Well, for the last part, I bumped and edited my "sold" cause I was going to try to sell it again and just refund your money. The item was paid for with an eCheck, hence I had to wait till it clears and you acknowledged that.

Anywhos, this is almost settled, pending an email to him right now.

A lot of people avoid places like eBay because forums for the community are a lot nicer. Anyhow, that is my rule. People are in general more understanding, not so worried about the business, becuase people almost all the time are trustworthy.

In this case I would say, keep the easy-going forum style going! People come here because everyone is nice! A hot item like a PSP should sell in like 10 seconds if you list it again, if I were you I would take a step back and avoid all this legal BS and sell it elsewhere, it will make everyone more happy.

 

[Steve]

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=917933

 

[mrchan]

just give him a refund xSeongminx. you're pretty close to making my DNT list, and i dont even have one!

 

[Banana]

Originally posted by: mrchan
just give him a refund xSeongminx. you're pretty close to making my DNT list, and i dont even have one!

I agree. I may have to start a DNT list too!

 

[dethman]

no. refunds are the stuff of retail. if you didn't do your research before you bought then it's your own fault. you already paid regardless of whether the funds are cleared or not. it's entirely the seller's discretion to refund or not.

 

[xSeongminx]

Thank you, at least someone agrees with me. Err, I don't mind if you don't trade with me. Also, isn't it funny that this "eCheck" hasn't cleared yet (it's supposed to clear today, yet it's 10:20 p.m.)

 

[xSeongminx]

LOL, now I get why you wanted me to ship first... Your eCheck hasn't cleared and it's passed the clearing date. And you called me a scammer...

 

[Ubiquity]

Originally posted by: xSeongminx
LOL, now I get why you wanted me to ship first... Your eCheck hasn't cleared and it's passed the clearing date. And you called me a scammer...

Don't you know how to read time?

The playment was made at 1:30AM Eastern on Tuesday (10:30PM Pacific Monday). I'm going to assume you're just retarded and think that the last 1:30 hours of Monday count as a full business day.

That means that that the fourth business day is the end of Friday. Paypal clearly states that it 'normally' takes 3-4 business days.

Nevermind the fact that I have no control over how long it takes to clear. You do understand that right?

Quit making a fool of yourself already, its sad and pathetic.

 

[mike2fix]

xSeongminx

I have seen this name many times in F/S Forums with this type of issue.

 

[Ubiquity]

I find it amusing that xSeonminx made a thread on here recently in which he bought and paid for an item with Paypal and then asked for a refund on his money

Apparently when he wants a refund on an item, thats just fine, but if someone else wants a refund on their purchase its the end of the world.

What a hyprocrite.

From his thread:

So, I just paid someone 120$ for an item but decided not to get it due to specific reasons. However, when the person refunded me, I got a message stating that Paypal had placed a temporary hold on the amount (120$) due to me paying with an Instant Funds transfer. It says that I will have to wait a few days until the hold is released, but after contacting my bank today, they said that the 120$ payment had left my checkings account this morning at 8:10. Now.. shouldn't paypal have released the fee by now or is paypal usually slow when it comes to giving up money... I have heard too many horror stories so please help me sleep well tonight!

 

[Ubiquity]

Originally posted by: mike2fix

xSeongminx

I have seen this name many times in F/S Forums with this type of issue.

I found two similiar incidents over at HardOCP after the fact. I wish I had known about all of this beforehand.

 

[tami]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: tami
just send him his PSP. but i don't understand: why does he want his money back? is the shipment taking so long?

Normally I respect your posts, but sending the PSP when the eCheck hasn't cleared and he hasn't transfered the funds to a safe account is just downright stupid. Especially the way this guy has been acting.

i'm sorry i didn't make myself clear. i'd definitley advise to wait until the check clears. what i should have said more clearly is that once his check DOES clear, you should send him the PSP, naturally.

but i'm still curious to know why he wants his money back anyway. i don't see what his issue is.

 

[Ubiquity]

Originally posted by: tami

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: tami
just send him his PSP. but i don't understand: why does he want his money back? is the shipment taking so long?

Normally I respect your posts, but sending the PSP when the eCheck hasn't cleared and he hasn't transfered the funds to a safe account is just downright stupid. Especially the way this guy has been acting.

i'm sorry i didn't make myself clear. i'd definitley advise to wait until the check clears. what i should have said more clearly is that once his check DOES clear, you should send him the PSP, naturally.

but i'm still curious to know why he wants his money back anyway. i don't see what his issue is.

The issues is that I don't want to trade with this person. I don't trust him to fulfill his end of the deal. I don't trust that the PSP will be even functional. Having problems with items is bad enough, having problems with people that you don't trust in the first place is something completely different. I'll sleep better at night knowing that I don't have to worry about this guy. Any decent trader would accept a polite request for a refund when:

a) the request was made promptly
b) the item had not shipped yet
c) neither party would incur any financial penalty

The fact that he flat out refused to even THINK about allowing me a refund (and told me he would be shipping the item no matter what I said or did) showed me that this is someone I don't want to have dealings with, ESPECIALLY since he has asked for refunds from other traders in the past.

 

[pclstyle]

Originally posted by: xSeongminx
LOL, now I get why you wanted me to ship first... Your eCheck hasn't cleared and it's passed the clearing date. And you called me a scammer...

wow just stop talking man. you look like a fool.

i'm not trying to get personal but buddy, you're a garbage seller. you're the type that makes me wary of utilizing FS/FT forums.

 

[Ubiquity]

eCheck has now cleared.

Payment To Terry Cho Jun. 19, 2005 Cleared Details -$210.00 USD $0.00 USD
Payment To Terry Cho Jun. 19, 2005 Completed Details -$5.50 USD $0.00 USD

Now, I'll expect my refund within the next few hours.

Edit:

Ironic that Husker Du "I Apologize" just started playing:

All these crazy mixed up lies
Floating all around
Making these assumptions brings me down
And you get tight-lipped, how do I know what you think?

Is it something I said when I lost my mind?
Temper too quick, makes me blind

I apologize...
Said I'm sorry, now it's your turn,
Can you look me in the eyes and apologize?

*waits for apology*

 

[pclstyle]

Originally posted by: Ubiquity
eCheck has now cleared.

Payment To Terry Cho Jun. 19, 2005 Cleared Details -$210.00 USD $0.00 USD
Payment To Terry Cho Jun. 19, 2005 Completed Details -$5.50 USD $0.00 USD

Now, I'll expect my refund within the next few hours.

Edit:

Ironic that Husker Du "I Apologize" just started playing:

All these crazy mixed up lies
Floating all around
Making these assumptions brings me down
And you get tight-lipped, how do I know what you think?

Is it something I said when I lost my mind?
Temper too quick, makes me blind

I apologize...
Said I'm sorry, now it's your turn,
Can you look me in the eyes and apologize?

*waits for apology*

pucker your lips and get a kiss while you're at it. MAN LOVE.

 

[Ubiquity]

Huzzah, got my money back (sans $5.50 which still hasn't been refunded).

Of course, he couldn't leave without a nice threat!

You know, your really agrivating and I didn't have to refund you. You lucky, and if you want to push your luck, keep talking.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: xSeongminx
This item was 210$. I don't want to give him a refund, unless he wants to lose 20% of that, which is 42$. This really sucks. Btw, whats the worst that can happen? I don't think anything can xP. Btw, I am waiting for the eCheck to clear, then sending him my regards with the item .

paypal can take the money from you and then you'll be out the product and the money.

 

[Ubiquity]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: xSeongminx
This item was 210$. I don't want to give him a refund, unless he wants to lose 20% of that, which is 42$. This really sucks. Btw, whats the worst that can happen? I don't think anything can xP. Btw, I am waiting for the eCheck to clear, then sending him my regards with the item .

paypal can take the money from you and then you'll be out the product and the money.

You seem to have missed the 40 times I clarified that he never shipped it. And he just refunded (most of) my money.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Ubiquity

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: xSeongminx
This item was 210$. I don't want to give him a refund, unless he wants to lose 20% of that, which is 42$. This really sucks. Btw, whats the worst that can happen? I don't think anything can xP. Btw, I am waiting for the eCheck to clear, then sending him my regards with the item .

paypal can take the money from you and then you'll be out the product and the money.

You seem to have missed the 40 times I clarified that he never shipped it. And he just refunded (most of) my money.

sorry i have a habit of replying as i go. now that i've read the entire thread the OP has made my DNT list (i've dealt with him in the past, a bad memory but he did come through eventually). regardless of this situation, it's still the same answer. 9 times out of 10 paypal seems to side with the buyer, and the worst case is he could be out money and an item (if he had in fact shipped it).

 

[Anonemous]

wow so much drama in one of those hard ocp threads with xSeongminx
link to thread

 

[tami]

thanks for the clarification, Ubiquity. it is nice to know both sides of the story, and it looks like he was only presenting his. if there are doubts in someone's credibility, don't buy from them.

i find it hard to believe that xSeongminx is having SO many problems with several buyers of his "products." i've done over 250 sales on ebay over the last 4 years or so (sorry, no heat yet -- it wasn't hardware anyway) and i may have run into a problem with a buyer, uh, once? obviously there are some serious issues if all forums are hearing about this guy and he has to complain about multiple buyers in multiple locations.

i'm not researching this issue much further (at least for the time being, i'm on my way offline), but i would like to know if this guy is a troll. does anyone have further information?

 

[Ubiquity]

Edit: Nevermind