i like the way everybody is uniting. well, not really. i just like the part where people are calling each other an 'ass.' you guys are cool. now, lets all unite, overclockers and non, and drink some corona and vodka and watch some angelina jolie films.
Originally posted by: oldfart
Hmm, if you overclock that 2.8, get rid of that SiS board, ditch that PC2100 for some nice PC3200.......you may be in good shape!
lol
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Look at it this way railer. I spend more money now for my system right? I am already running stock where all of you are striving to be with overclocking (just about anyway). When the time comes where 2.8GHz is just not enough, years down the road, I can then overclock to 3GHz plus easily, where all of you will have to go out and buy a faster processor and possibly a new motherboard to overclock. So in actuality, you have to buy 2 or more cheapy processors and MoBo to get as much scalability as I do. So who is paying way way way too much? I think it's not me.
Food for thought.
Keys
LOL, your precious 2.8 GHz CPU will be anitquated in 1-2 years. I don't think overclocking it to 3.2 GHz or whatever will help you much compared to 5+ Ghz processors with much faster platforms.
The $600 or whatever you spent on your CPU alone many people paid to get their entire rig, which is very competitive in speed to your system. Also, although you can apparently throw money away on CPUs that will give them no noticeable speed gain, many people cannot. A $50 CPU upgrade is a pricey investment for many.
If you put a 2.26 GHz processor in your machine, nobody could tell the difference... your memory and motherboard are holding you back. It's as if you systematically built your machine to be high priced yet average performing, with a picky SiS motherboard, no less (hopefully the new ones are better).
Have fun running Unreal 2 on it right now...
Huh? You've got to be kidding still, right?
Couple points about the difference between 60 fps and 160 fps.
In a year, a 60 fps card will run the newest games at 30 fps.
In a year, the 160 fps card will run games at 130 fps.
If your card does 160 fps, you can turn on more features like higher AA settings, and get better quality at 60 fps.
In a year, that card that did 60 fps will need to run at 16 bit to maintain speed in newer games, while the card
that ran 160 can still run with the big boys a little longer.
Thanks,
you have successfully proven why overclocking and more speed is a good thing.
As others have stated, life span when overclocked means ziltch. Overclocking prolongs equipment.
Parts are removed from system long before they think of failing.
And why are they removed? Because they are "TOO SLOW" even when overclocked.
At least by overclocking, some had their lifespan double.
I have ton's of CPU's and video cards like K6-III's, Duron's or 3dfx Voodoo cards, that have been overclocked to the max.
How much will you give me for these? They all still work perfectly.
Actually, the Duron 600 overclocked to 800 has a little more life left for Grandparents emailing, but even if it died,
they only cost $30 new now, and for only $20 more ($50 total), you can get a new CPU that will run as fast as a stock 2.6GHz P4.
Never heard of anyone fry a part by safely overclocking (90%-95% speed of what it can actually run at).
Unless of course they forgot to put on a normal stock fan or something.
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Hey! Don't forget about us TeAm Anandtech DC members now! We need all the power we can get and then some! Now ya'll what ain't already on the TeAm get on over to the DC forum and sign up wit yo bad overclocked systems!Originally posted by: ScrewFace
I agree with RobsTV. If you're not a gamer than you don't need to overclock but us serious gamers do need to overclock our RAM, CPU, and videocard!
I assure you that you'll soon discovered nothin' you have is fast enough for your liking Gamers aren't the only ones who need a fast PC. Try doing some video encoding work. Every bit of CPU power is needed.
That's one of the main reasons I overclock. Not to get more FPS (my Radeon VE is the limiting factor there), but to get a smaller time per frame in Folding@Home (yea, I also like Photoshop and 3dsmax to render stuff faster).Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Hey! Don't forget about us TeAm Anandtech DC members now! We need all the power we can get and then some! Now ya'll what ain't already on the TeAm get on over to the DC forum and sign up wit yo bad overclocked systems!
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Ok, Ok, you guys win. Sorry for blowing up at you but I was aggravated at the time I started this thread. It quickly escalated as you all can see.
So If I have offended anyone here, please accept my apologies. Just to "save face" I will overclock my system and post results. Fair enough?
I hope so.
Thanks,
Keys
So If I have offended anyone here, please accept my apologies. Just to "save face" I will overclock my system and post results. Fair enough?
I hope so.
Thanks,
Keys
If your machine is fast enough to play your games, then who cares if you've overclocked it or not.
It's all down to what you enjoy doing; I like to play games like UT and, to be honest, when I'm playing, I couldnt give a toss if all the extra video details are set to full-on or not. Why? 'Cos I'm too busy enjoying the game. That's the whole point of it to me.. to get absorbed into the 'moment' and have a great time fraggin and dodgin...
It's like watching a good movie; sure if I watch it on DVD it will look better than on a VCR, but once you're in to the actual movie, you don't notice and just enjoy the film.
(hopefully) At the end you think 'wow that was a great movie' and move on.
I think all that Keys is saying is that there are others around who put too much emphasis on the delivery rather than the message - if u know what I mean.
But each to their own; we are all entitled to have our own hobbies and preferences. I too overclock my stuff - but only to save money.
God speed !
It's all down to what you enjoy doing; I like to play games like UT and, to be honest, when I'm playing, I couldnt give a toss if all the extra video details are set to full-on or not. Why? 'Cos I'm too busy enjoying the game. That's the whole point of it to me.. to get absorbed into the 'moment' and have a great time fraggin and dodgin...
It's like watching a good movie; sure if I watch it on DVD it will look better than on a VCR, but once you're in to the actual movie, you don't notice and just enjoy the film.
(hopefully) At the end you think 'wow that was a great movie' and move on.
I think all that Keys is saying is that there are others around who put too much emphasis on the delivery rather than the message - if u know what I mean.
But each to their own; we are all entitled to have our own hobbies and preferences. I too overclock my stuff - but only to save money.
God speed !
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well LordGord, if your machine is cappable of running every game you want with ever option maxed, 1600x1200, 6xaa and 16xaf or whatever the best settings your card has and run all that at a constant 30fps+; then there is no reason to overclock. however, unless you play only realy old games then that is not the case, hence you might as well use what you have to get as close it goes to all the way up.
Keys,
I do see your point. Some people around here are just rabid about overclocking, even tho it buys them nothing. I'm getting set to spring for an Athlon 1700 0302 B stepping myself , when I already have a perfectly working pally 1600. I don't need the speed. Nobody in here does. Just a fun hobby I guess. The feeling that you're getting something for nothing, even tho you never needed that 'something' in the first place, and it takes extra time and tweaking to get it. It's a waste of time, but we all do it. Better than watching TV, right?
I do see your point. Some people around here are just rabid about overclocking, even tho it buys them nothing. I'm getting set to spring for an Athlon 1700 0302 B stepping myself , when I already have a perfectly working pally 1600. I don't need the speed. Nobody in here does. Just a fun hobby I guess. The feeling that you're getting something for nothing, even tho you never needed that 'something' in the first place, and it takes extra time and tweaking to get it. It's a waste of time, but we all do it. Better than watching TV, right?
Originally posted by: rbV5
In my world "overclock" would be one cycle above which it will operate at all, therefore I never overclock, and neither should anyone else
Look whos talking. Look at your PC stats, your 2100 is OC'ed by 420MHz! You call that a one cycle OC?
Not sure if I'm understanding, but I think he means that he runs each processor at the maximum speed it will run...whether or not that is what speed is printed on the box it came in. Overclocking would be running it beyond the maximum speed, thus introducing Prime95 and Memtest86 errors.Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Look whos talking. Look at your PC stats, your 2100 is OC'ed by 420MHz! You call that a one cycle OC?Originally posted by: rbV5
In my world "overclock" would be one cycle above which it will operate at all, therefore I never overclock, and neither should anyone else
Speed up Folding @ Home !!!!
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I can't tell the diff between 60fps-160fps but I can tell the diff between 3:30hrs and 2:30hrs when I am doing video editing.
BTW, my amd 1700+ is at 2.1ghz.
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You are lucky BFG10K isn't here to tell you how much fps matters.
I can tell the difference between 60 and 100, but frankly I dun care much about fps, I don't game much. But overclocking is the best thing about computers. A) Saves money, B) Makes it faster, C) Saves an upgrade--why buy a new processor when you can OC the current one?Seriously, don't give me that crap. OCing hasn't effected the life of any of my stuff, and no one is going to keep around tehir parts long enough to see them die.
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I upgrade once every 5 years. That's why I buy high. If you walked up a mountainside, you might make it to the top without stopping. If you ran up the mountainside, you may have to stop a few times (crash) to catch your breathe or may even decide not to continue. Weird analogy I know, but it was the first thing to pop into my head. A lot of the work that I do is critical to my livelyhood so I need the most stable rig I can get. Crashing is not an option. Gaming is quite another subject. Who cares if your rig freaks out in the middle of a quake fest. You just restart the thing and continue playing. No harm no foul. IMO.
Keys
Keys
I think overclocking really took off with the Celeron 300a (@450). At that time, it made sense because you were getting such an enormous gain, and your chip was performing at the top of the line. Of course, some real hardcore folks were doing it earlier (At least as early as the 486, from what I understand.) But it didn't really hit the masses until the Celeron. That was the glory days.
Now, I never overclock at all on my main machine. I still have a system downstairs that I has a P3-600 running at 800, but that's without increasing the voltage at all, and it has run like that for almost 4 years now. To me, it's just not worth it. My time is too valuable to come home and be constantly troubleshooting. And in the end, the cost/benefit just doesn't add up to me. Either you overclock to a point where you see noticable gains, and you are constantly tinkering with the system...or you overclock more modestly and you have stability, but then it isn't noticable to bother.
I know many of you will tell me how I'm wrong, and how you have drastically overclocked systems that are "rock solid." I'm sure some of those cases will be true (just as many will be wishful, biased assessments). But my experience tells me it's just not worth it.
Good luck.
Now, I never overclock at all on my main machine. I still have a system downstairs that I has a P3-600 running at 800, but that's without increasing the voltage at all, and it has run like that for almost 4 years now. To me, it's just not worth it. My time is too valuable to come home and be constantly troubleshooting. And in the end, the cost/benefit just doesn't add up to me. Either you overclock to a point where you see noticable gains, and you are constantly tinkering with the system...or you overclock more modestly and you have stability, but then it isn't noticable to bother.
I know many of you will tell me how I'm wrong, and how you have drastically overclocked systems that are "rock solid." I'm sure some of those cases will be true (just as many will be wishful, biased assessments). But my experience tells me it's just not worth it.
Good luck.
My 1.6A @ 2.4 has been rock stable for almost a year. It is no less stable than a non overclocked system. If you choose the proper components, there is no reason to not have a stable system just because you run speeds faster than what is on the box. I did a stretch of SVCD video encoding that lasted for ~ a month 24X7. 100% CPU utilization for a month. Never a single burp.
. Nothing wrong with that. Next time, go high on the memory too, not just the CPU. PC2100 is slowing you down. You should be running at least PC2700. The only thing the SiS 645 has going for it is a 4:5 mem ratio which you are not using.
rbV5
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LOL, I'm just playing along.....Actually its just a "modest" clockspeed upgrade
not even close to overclocked. I've got it trimmed back 200MHz and dropped the vcore to 1.65 from the 2.350 GHz this chip will run @ 1.85vcore. It'll run the full memtest suite of tests nonstop with no errors, 12 hour loops, and prime95 as long as you want.I've got a drawer full of perfectly good chips from 650 durons up to XP 1600+ all waiting for boards to drop them in, all veteran's of my shenanigans, never "overclocked" any of them ( I did upgrade the clockspeed of all of them of course)... Geez, I need to build some DC rigs!
I'm a bit more conservative with my AIW clocks though, but if not for increasing the FSB of this particular board...it would not be much of performer.
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