If god didnt create the universe then who did?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
And yes, galaxies collide... they collide due to a force known as gravity. Dinosaurs came from meteror rocks? That's a first that i've heard. But yes, there are different theories for many things out there... but that's the beauty of science, it's purpose is the pursuit for the truth. If we were to follow what the religious nuts want us to believe, we wouldn't be pursuing anything.

Quick clarification: I didn't say that dinosaurs came from meter rocks. I was referring to the scientific theory that the demise of dinosaurs was from a meteorite.
And much scientific advancement in the past occurred inside a religious civilization. Just not western civilization.

 

[BurnItDwn]

1. Not Who, What.
2. The universe was NOT created.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
1. Not Who, What.
2. The universe was NOT created.

Care to tell us where it came from, then?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
1. Not Who, What.
2. The universe was NOT created.

Care to tell us where it came from, then?

Where did god come from? Or does he exist outside of the universe?

 

[mfs378]

Just because science hasn't found an answer yet isn't a reason to cling to religion. Before the theory of evolution, people believed that god made man. Now, most reasonable individuals accept evolution as the process that produced human beings. What they are saying now is, 'What about the big bang?' Well, rest assured, science is on the hunt for that as well (link). But if you are not comfortable dealing with unanswered questions, don't let the rest of us stop you from coming up with your own ideas about the origin of the universe.

 

[everman]

Yet another topic people think they're experts on even though they really don't know much at all.
Politics is the other big one.

 

[idNut]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: NinjaGnome
I have always wondered what atheists thought of that. Also the fact that life cannot be formed from an inanimate object (a rock cant evolve into a human). Some sort of higher being must have created the universe and life in it. Please post your thoughts in a cilvil manner if possible.

Her'es bascially the same question in reverse:

Where did God come from?

If you're going to say "He's always existed", then why don't you think that some people who beleive there is no god would think that the universe has simply always existed? Maybe even that life has always existed in that universe.

God is outside of time.

 

[conjur]

Here's one to ponder:

Who made whatever it was that made God and who or what made that entity? And so on...and so on...and so on....

 

[idNut]

Originally posted by: conjur
Here's one to ponder:

Who made whatever it was that made God and who or what made that entity? And so on...and so on...and so on....

The architect.

<Neo>Whoa</Neo>

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: conjur
Here's one to ponder:

Who made whatever it was that made God and who or what made that entity? And so on...and so on...and so on....

No one will ever be able to answer this. As far as the Big Bang goes, it will always be theory, because you cannot conduct experiments at Planck energy scales. At some point our understanding of how this works will end, and it will forever be conjecture. True, there are predictions that can be tested, but as to the details of what happened before symmetry breaking, nope. Just guesses.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: idNut

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: NinjaGnome
I have always wondered what atheists thought of that. Also the fact that life cannot be formed from an inanimate object (a rock cant evolve into a human). Some sort of higher being must have created the universe and life in it. Please post your thoughts in a cilvil manner if possible.

Her'es bascially the same question in reverse:

Where did God come from?

If you're going to say "He's always existed", then why don't you think that some people who beleive there is no god would think that the universe has simply always existed? Maybe even that life has always existed in that universe.

God is outside of time.

And you know this how?

 

[Schadenfreude]

Just my two cents:

How can the question be answered correctly? You're asking the question assuming that the world as created by something - for now, let's just accept that and move on.

But how could god not create the world, then? Doesn't whoever that created the world then automatically become 'god' to us, regardless of whether it's by a bunch of parallel-universe beings, aliens, or some "supernatural" entity?

 

[CrazyPerson]

I AM GOD
I CREATED ALL THINGS
:beer::beer::beer::beer:

 

[Shawn]

I did.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: CrazyPerson
I AM GOD
I CREATED ALL THINGS
:beer::beer::beer::beer:

:Q

Hail the 4 beers that created the world!

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

But how could god not create the world, then? Doesn't whoever that created the world then automatically become 'god' to us, regardless of whether it's by a bunch of parallel-universe beings, aliens, or some "supernatural" entity?

doesn't have to be an entity with consciousness. may be just a natural phenomenon. somehow i doubt that could qualify as "god"

 

[her209]

When you die, where does your body go?

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: her209
When you die, where does your body go?

Into a grave/urn. Your choice! Personally, I don't believe in a god, so there.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: her209
When you die, where does your body go?

into Soylent Green -- it's people!!!

 

[NinjaGnome]

Well I posted this to find out what others ideas where and to learn something about the people here. As to the whole evolution thing I refuse to believe that life can be created from an inanimate object (with concrete evidence supporting it). Something had to give it life and then it can evolve into whatever it wants afterward. I know all about the theory of evolution. I know that we are essentially made of inanimate life. What I dont know is how we became living, breathing, and thinking beings.

 

[PLaYaHaTeD]

Originally posted by: gopunk
i don't know how or by whom the universe was created, but i do know that the lack of human knowledge on this subject does not imply the existence of a god. it just means we don't understand it, nothing more, nothing less.

I agree. Humans do not have the capacity to know the bigger picture. It's important to understand that some things you just can't understand.

 

[Shimmishim]

Some people are so indifferent... that is the problem with people these days...

"oh who cares how the earth was created.. all i know is that i'm here and that's all that matters..."

can we say a little selfish?

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Nobody did. You're going from the presumption that "someone" did it, which implies a god in some form or another. Atheists don't necessarily believe in a god. Strong atheists specifically believe there is/was no god. Weak atheists just don't see any evidence to make them believe there is/was a god, but they don't assert that that necessarily means there isn't one. Agnostics believe there is a god but they don't know the nature of it (that's why they're different from weak atheists).

Atheists believe that the nature of the universe can be explained on the basis of science, and that there is no need to make up a deity to explain things we don't understand; anything we don't understand is just evidence that we don't know everything yet, not that a god performed a miracle that has no rational basis or explanation. Example: lightning might have been considered a product of the gods, produced on a whim, simply by wishing it. We now know that lightning is due to differences in charge between ground and air. Example: the stars were thought to be points of light encircling the Earth, and beyond that was heaven. We now know the stars are far away and are objects like our sun. Beyond the universe simply doesn't exist as we understand it. It can't even be described as nothing, because nothing implies an empty space; beyond the universe simply doesn't exist for us, you can't reach it, as you go farther and farther, the universe just goes farther as well.

An inanimate object can't simply become alive. However, life is nothing more than inanimate particles interacting in such a way that the tenents we use to define "life" are created. There is nothing going on that can't be explained by the interaction of particles based on physical laws. The way your body functions is scientifically explainable; the way your brain cells communicate is explainable, the way memory is stored is explainable; the way thoughts occur is explainable. Just because we don't currently have the knowledge to explain it does not mean it's "magic" that just happens because a god wishes it.

Religion and atheism are simply fundamentally different belief systems. Religion uses sacred texts or songs or whatever, passed on through the generations, and people simply are told that that's the way things are and they have to have faith. It's human nature to try to explain things, so if a person is raised without any mention of religion and is not taught how the world works, he or she would naturally attempt to find reasons for the things that happen, and would probably decide that someone outside of him or herself is creating the things. That would qualify as religion in terms of believing in a greater being. Atheists simply don't have faith without evidence. Obviously, the word faith by its definition means evidence is not needed, but simply stating that does not mean there's no need for evidence. Religions use their texts and songs as evidence, believers accept these things as proof of God's existence. Atheists see those things as proof only that someone once believed and wrote things down.

nice explanation but I disagree with the first two words.

 

[tRaptor]

I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. ~Frederick Douglass, escaped slave

How ignorant we are to believe that our perfect God could create such a terrible reality.

"The only difference between God and Adolf Hitler is that God is more proficient at genocide."

Surgeon General's Warning: Quitting Religion Now
Greatly Increases the Chances of World Peace.

A zealot's stones will break my bones, but gods will never hurt me.

Nine out of ten priests who have tried Camels, prefer young boys.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - - Stephen Roberts

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." - Napoleon Bonaparte

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." - Clarence Darrow

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin

"Jesus' last words on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" hardly seem like the words of a man who planned it that way. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure there is something wrong here." - Donald Morgan

"Among mammals, a virgin birth (parthenogenesis) can only produce female offspring, for chromosomal reasons. Messiahs are mammals. Therefore, Jesus was... On the other hand, among turkeys, the chromosomal situation is such that all products of virgin birth are males. So if Jesus was a male, he might also have been..." (Zindler's own punctuations) - Frank Zindler (In a note to the debate Does god exist? with John Koster)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. ~Seneca the Younger, c. 4 BC - 65 AD

"God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom."

"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized I was talking to myself."
Peter O'Toole.

"Traveler: 'God has been mighty good to your fields, Mr. Farmer."
Farmer: 'You should have seen how he treated them when I wasn't around.'"

"On the sixth day God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favor."

If we are going to teach creation science as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the stork theory as an alternative to biological reproduction.

"If god doesn't like the way I live, Let him tell me, not you."

"The fact that there is a general belief in a future life is no evidence of its truth." - [Clarence Darrow]

"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian."

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish. ~Author Unknown

Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

 

[Toasthead]

No one knows! get over it already!