If fermi flops what happens to Nvidia

[dguy6789]

GTX 480 might be a limited edition card too

 

[Piotrsama]

GTX 480 might be a limited edition card too

Hehe, true that.

 

[Kenmitch]

GTX 480 might be a limited edition card too

When you think about it that's the easiest way to get rid of your product. Release it with the rumor of limited availability which is probably gonna be true anyways.

The nvidia fanboys will be homesteaded on all online sites hitting refresh every 2 seconds as they have been waiting for 6 months for the fermi. The impulsenometer will be off the scale and will outway the brains reasonability mechanism.

The ATI fanboys will be doing the same. But just putting them in the cart and laughing with no intent to purchase. Or will purchase with the intent to make a few bucks off the I just gotta have it as I waited 6 months for it guys

 

[Kuzi]

But those cards are limited editions.

You guys are right. Very limited quantities for these cards.

 

[Munky]

I wouldn't mind if it flops... you'd think with the fx5800 and the 2900xt people would have realized the absurdness of holding out 6 months for a piece of quickly-depreciating hardware with unknown specs and performance, but apparently that's not the case. They probably won't learn the lesson this time either if it flops.

 

[v8envy]

Well, it's not like the 58xx series were widely available until recently. And in my case, I'd like to run Linux. So waiting a year (for Fermi II) while running games at low settings is my only viable option.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I wouldn't mind if it flops... you'd think with the fx5800 and the 2900xt people would have realized the absurdness of holding out 6 months for a piece of quickly-depreciating hardware with unknown specs and performance, but apparently that's not the case. They probably won't learn the lesson this time either if it flops.

Except it wasn't supposed to be 6 months at all. First it was supposed to be out mid-October, then it was before/around Christmas, then it was at CES...

 

[Munky]

Except it wasn't supposed to be 6 months at all. First it was supposed to be out mid-October, then it was before/around Christmas, then it was at CES...

Thanks to the NV marketing machine. For all you know, it could be another 2-3 months. Given how little semi-credible info was leaked last September, my best educated guess would have put it no earlier than Christmas, and that's being optimistic.

 

[NoQuarter]

Except it wasn't supposed to be 6 months at all. First it was supposed to be out mid-October, then it was before/around Christmas, then it was at CES...

But it was clearly going to be at LEAST January or February and that was evident in Sept when the 58xx came out.

We know it takes at least 3-4 months from getting silicon back to getting it tested, production ramped up, AIB supplied, and products shipped and that Nvidia sent in the A1 revision first week of Sept so there was no way it would make it in stores before end of the year even if everything went perfectly.

Whatever people think of Charlie all you needed from him was the date nVidia sent in the order to TSMC and some common sense.

 

[taltamir]

as much as people say nvidia is "just branding", I repeatendly end up finding gems in its lineups offered well below MSRP. Sure, MSRP-wise AMD has better offers... and a lot of the nvidia lineup is rebranded stuff thats overpriced for its performance and features, but there are some really good cards at some really nice prices out there.

Although, at the moment the advantage AMD holds a huge advantage with the 5 series.

And if fermi flops, nothing happens to nvidia. It is still doing very well financially.

 

[tommo123]

couldn't we be better off in the long run if the 470/80 flops? ATi get stronger and nearer to a balanced market share with nvidia and would make it more difficult to push unfriendly standards like physx/cuda.

nvidia isn't going to fold so a more evenly matched pair of companies would give us much more competition

 

[Genx87]

I wouldn't mind if it flops... you'd think with the fx5800 and the 2900xt people would have realized the absurdness of holding out 6 months for a piece of quickly-depreciating hardware with unknown specs and performance, but apparently that's not the case. They probably won't learn the lesson this time either if it flops.

Nothing compelling in the PC world for me. The i5\i7 wasnt that great a boost in performance over the C2D and gaming wise there isnt much that makes my 4850 hurt that I play. So waiting 6 months wasnt a big deal. I may even wait until 2011 and see what sandybridge has to offer.

 

[taltamir]

couldn't we be better off in the long run if the 470/80 flops? ATi get stronger and nearer to a balanced market share with nvidia and would make it more difficult to push unfriendly standards like physx/cuda.

nvidia isn't going to fold so a more evenly matched pair of companies would give us much more competition

CUDA isn't unfriendly, cuda just runs C code and Fortran code on nvidia GPU instead of a CPU... nothing unfriendly about that. AMD should catch up and offer the same.
Anyways, we don't want either to flop, ideally they would be equal. resulting in best prices and performance, and the most aggressive development and deployment of new tech.

 

[Munky]

Nothing compelling in the PC world for me. The i5\i7 wasnt that great a boost in performance over the C2D and gaming wise there isnt much that makes my 4850 hurt that I play. So waiting 6 months wasnt a big deal. I may even wait until 2011 and see what sandybridge has to offer.

I'm talking about the people who wanted to upgrade, but chose to wait instead. I'm doing just fine with a 4890, and don't care about upgrading anytime soon.

 

[Lonyo]

couldn't we be better off in the long run if the 470/80 flops? ATi get stronger and nearer to a balanced market share with nvidia and would make it more difficult to push unfriendly standards like physx/cuda.

nvidia isn't going to fold so a more evenly matched pair of companies would give us much more competition

Actually, thinking about it, PhysX isn't a bad thing.
If NV pushed PhysX, it gets used more.
It gets used more, other physics middleware products start to get worried, and feel a need to catch up, so they improve and make themselves at least as good, of not better, in terms of what they support.

You could say that PhysX is the only thing pushing physics onto graphics cards/pushing better acceleration. Havok was demoed years ago and never got anywhere, despite the competition from PhysX. Imagine where we might be without PhysX pushing the market.

That still doesn't mean I think PhysX is good, but sometimes you need market forces to push competition to get their asses together and compete, and NV is the company making that happen. Hopefully if/when it finally does, and Havok, Bullet et al are more open and usable than PhysX, NV will in turn be forced to open up.

 

[OCGuy]

Nothing compelling in the PC world for me. The i5\i7 wasnt that great a boost in performance over the C2D and gaming wise there isnt much that makes my 4850 hurt that I play. So waiting 6 months wasnt a big deal. I may even wait until 2011 and see what sandybridge has to offer.

Three letters: SSD. Best upgrade you can do right now. Absolutely changed my PC experience.

 

[Chaotic42]

When does the NDA lift?

 

[Ken g6]

CUDA isn't unfriendly, cuda just runs C code and Fortran code on nvidia GPU instead of a CPU... nothing unfriendly about that. AMD should catch up and offer the same.

AMD has Brook+. They also support OpenCL. However, I haven't found a way to compile for AMD in Linux and test without running on (or even having a) GPU like I can with CUDA.

 

[konakona]

as much as people say nvidia is "just branding", I repeatendly end up finding gems in its lineups offered well below MSRP. Sure, MSRP-wise AMD has better offers... and a lot of the nvidia lineup is rebranded stuff thats overpriced for its performance and features, but there are some really good cards at some really nice prices out there.

Although, at the moment the advantage AMD holds a huge advantage with the 5 series.

And if fermi flops, nothing happens to nvidia. It is still doing very well financially.

For what its worth, the absolute best deal in video in a past year or so was none other than GTS250s sold for $40 AR. The hefty $80 rebate on it is what kept timid people like me away, but those that jumped were rewarded with 5850-like performance (in SLI) for mere $80 (2x $40 AR).

Of course that doesn't have much to do with nv's MSRP, but still.

 

[Nebor]

It won't matter, NVIDIA will be fine. I'll still purchase the best card they have available around Christmas time. Due to their OEM sales and fanboys, they can ride out pretty much anything.

 

[jvroig]

It won't matter, NVIDIA will be fine. I'll still purchase the best card they have available around Christmas time.

What bad experience have you had with ATi to disregard them even if Fermi flops? (unlikely that they won't have anything good, but let's imagine it did happen anyway)

I am curious only because your statement seems to mean you'll get only whatever is nVidia's best, no matter if ATi's best is cheaper and even a little better in performance.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Well, they can go back to making overpriced SLI mobo chipsets for Intel that corrupts hard drives, kills RAM, and doesn't play well with a freaking X-fi.

Oops, now they can't make them anymore...Really, Nvidia is doing us a favor this way.

 

[slayernine]

What bad experience have you had with ATi to disregard them even if Fermi flops? (unlikely that they won't have anything good, but let's imagine it did happen anyway)

I am curious only because your statement seems to mean you'll get only whatever is nVidia's best, no matter if ATi's best is cheaper and even a little better in performance.

Well as you have pointed out, he has simply turned his brain to nvidiafanboy mode and cannot be reasoned with. We'll just sell him a 5870 with a big green fermi sticker on the top.

 

[slayernine]

For what its worth, the absolute best deal in video in a past year or so was none other than GTS250s sold for $40 AR. The hefty $80 rebate on it is what kept timid people like me away, but those that jumped were rewarded with 5850-like performance (in SLI) for mere $80 (2x $40 AR).

Of course that doesn't have much to do with nv's MSRP, but still.

They also were rewarded with a bigger power bill and a case with twice as much GPU heat to dissipate.

 

[slayernine]

Three letters: SSD. Best upgrade you can do right now. Absolutely changed my PC experience.

I absolutely love my new SSD's but in terms of gaming performance not so much. I guess my levels load faster but sadly I have so many games they don't really fit on even a large SSD so I'm still stuck with normal HDD performance.

However the performance of your operating system or internet browser and other applications will be immensely improved. Also if its a laptop you have the piece of mind that a sudden jolt to your laptop won't crash the hard drive.