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If elected to a second term will Bush start a world war?
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Stunt
Diamond Member
I'm done addressing Rabid...his blindness on the part of global morals is just staggering. Some countries go to war on principle, not economics...maybe you have heard of some of these wars...vietnam, afganistan, bosnia, desert storm, WW1, WW2...
I'll let someone else take that as it would be political suicide to attack one of the g8...the other 7 would raise havoc...i have no doubt in the global unity we'd have if the US attacked anyone without just cause. You want to try it be my guest, we'll see what comes of it. I can't believe the ignorance of americans, too full of themselves that they cannot accept a country's independance. Sad mindset if i do say so myself.
In 1995?!...9 years ago?! wow, hard up for information on seperatist movement eh?
try some more recent numbers....and that was NOT for independence...try again...is was for soveriegnty. A distinct society if you will. Quebecers do NOT want to separate...they want to protect their culture, and the government has helped them do so...There is no way in hell quebec would help the US over canada...
The premier is looking at its own best interests. They are currently deficit and debt free and don't like paying hefty equalization payments...joining the US would be a worse money pit than canada in every respect. your financials are horrid.
I'll let someone else take that as it would be political suicide to attack one of the g8...the other 7 would raise havoc...i have no doubt in the global unity we'd have if the US attacked anyone without just cause. You want to try it be my guest, we'll see what comes of it. I can't believe the ignorance of americans, too full of themselves that they cannot accept a country's independance. Sad mindset if i do say so myself.
In 1995?!...9 years ago?! wow, hard up for information on seperatist movement eh?
try some more recent numbers....and that was NOT for independence...try again...is was for soveriegnty. A distinct society if you will. Quebecers do NOT want to separate...they want to protect their culture, and the government has helped them do so...There is no way in hell quebec would help the US over canada...
The premier is looking at its own best interests. They are currently deficit and debt free and don't like paying hefty equalization payments...joining the US would be a worse money pit than canada in every respect. your financials are horrid.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Blindness on global morals? There is no such thing. You're a fool if you think countries sit down and say 'Is this morally good?' before setting any of their policies.
And I'm saying that no country would destroy itself to save Canada. I would believe that most of the world would try to appease the US by leaving Canada to the US. There is too much at stake to try to save Canada, let alone not enough military might to defeat the US from Canada. Today's world is different from the past.
I'm sure that many countries would be upset over this, but they would have no ability or desire to retaliate considering the consequences. Why would a country want to destroy itself in an attempt to help Canada, which is almost irrelevant on the global stage.
Anyways, no country has the capability to mount any sort of conventional attack of significant numbers to free Canada from the US.
Canada would benefit greatly if it was under US control (as if it basically isn't already!). To be important in the world would be a nice gift to Canada, IMO. I'm sure that after some time in this new system, many Canadians would be proud to be Americans.
Quebec was once the most pro-American province. It may now be the most anti-American, but like you said yourself, times change. I think if Bush wanted Canada, he might just want Alberta for its oil. Promise Quebec independence and freedom from the Queen (since that's a thorny issue for Quebec) while at the same time cause Alberta to secede would probably be a good plan. The Alberta premier would become the president of his own country with heavy ties to the US. No need for them to get involved in American financials.
btw Stunt, I don't think anyone is serious about this... we're just taking advantage of your blinding flag-waving ultra-nationalism
Stunt
Diamond Member
Please explain the concept of 'foriegn aid' then, if it not on morals...please enlighten me.
I'm saying the rest of the world wouldnt lose against the US. And good luck rallying anyone to fight a war against the rest of the world. You need support to invade...you wouldn't have that in the US at all... Not from the people, not from the world, not from the corperations. Most of our companies are american owned, at least partially, or merged.
agreed, today you need to have a motive to go to war, or else you get sanctioned to hell.
the consequences are that canada is sitting on one of the worlds largest oil reserves. Invading a country with no motive would make other countries think they are next. they would not let this first step happen, as thery would know the next step...
ugh...how do you figure this?...i see our mindsets totally different. The most important thing to canadians is universal healthcare, homeless housing developments and cheap education...things the US don't address ever...
or you get another isreal with canadian extremists...
Stunt
Diamond Member
Why do you bring up the queen...this forum is the only place i have heard of it as an issue...we honestly have no ties to the royal family...she doesnt do anything...can you stop trying to make it an issue when it is not even on the minds of canadians...
'how do you have fun on saturday?'...'well you see...i make fun of canadians...and threaten to break up their country...'
Go Buddy, hope u are enjoying yourself...cuz i'm finding it kind of amusing that you guys are proposing almost the impossible. Of all the countries to attack for no reason...this is the wrong one...you see...we have these things called allies...something that you guys don't really pay attention to.
They come in handy when your neighbour has a screw loose
oh so you are just being a$$holes...ic...good for you...does this give you satisfaction in your life...pretty sad if you ask me...
'how do you have fun on saturday?'...'well you see...i make fun of canadians...and threaten to break up their country...'
Go Buddy, hope u are enjoying yourself...cuz i'm finding it kind of amusing that you guys are proposing almost the impossible. Of all the countries to attack for no reason...this is the wrong one...you see...we have these things called allies...something that you guys don't really pay attention to.
They come in handy when your neighbour has a screw loose
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Foreign aid often comes with strings attached. Perhaps I should not have made an absolute statement, but no government works with a foundation of morals.
I'm saying that the rest of the world would not even attack. I'm sure that some sort of explanation could be made to the American people and the world for the reason of the invasion.
It might be worth it in the long run. In addition, I doubt much would be done against the US.
I'm sure that a motive could be created. Perhaps an elaborate assassination attempt by Canadian officials could be fabricated. I'm sure that many countries would be upset over this, but they'll get over it after a while.
Perhaps after funding the separatists, the US could come in for humanitarian reasons and then decide to remain in Canada forever.
Importance in the world would be pretty nice as well. I'm sure that the US could find some middle ground for the new Canadian states.
There probably won't be that many and even if there were, it probably wouldn't last long at all.
I'm sure that some countries would be mad if the US invaded Canada. I'm sure that some Canadians would resist their new masters. However, I believe that the benefits would outweigh the costs from the US perspective.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Those allies will not and can not do anything to save Canada from the world's lone superpower. They would most likely rather keep good economic trade flow with the US instead of risking economic and military devastation to save a country that is inevitable to be lost and has no significant importance to them.
Would you risk your life to save a cockroach? I don't think that most people would do that...
The sad look of it all is that Canada would be easy pickings for the US.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
The 'world' tried to appease Nazi Germany. Time to read up on your world history. They will probably do the same in the case of the US and Canada. In addition, the US would not be as hostile to the rest of the world as Nazi Germany.
If the US invaded Canada (the conquering of Canada would be inevitable in the case of an invasion), then the world would probably do nothing at all to stop it. They would not be able to prevent it anyways.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Maybe Bushy-boy really liked the movie "Canadian Bacon"
RabidMongoose
Lifer
It could be that he either really really liked it or really really hated it. 😀
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Maybe he's on the Atkins diet. /shrug
sandorski
No Lifer
I realize that the Americans here are just trolling, but if they seriously think they could invade Canada without provocation and all would be well they are sorely mistaken. Canada's reputation in the World is easily equal to that of the US and in many ways it is greater. Sure, the EU probably wouldn't Invade for quite sometime, if ever, but the Trade Embargoes and other actions would grind the US Economy to a halt in a matter of weeks. Canadians wouldn't just accept it either, the situation would be like Israel vs Palestine except many times worse. Even within the US a significant portion of the popualtion would be horrified by such an action. It would be a situation that triggers another US civil war.
So Bring it on! 😉
So Bring it on! 😉
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Yes, but it is just not important on the global stage. It's not anywhere nearly the US equal when it comes to trade and economy. Canada could fall off of the face of the earth and it wouldn't have as significant of an impact as the US.
Those would also halt the other economies as well. It'll be interesting to see who would enact the trade embargoes, if anyone. I think people will just leave it alone as they can't possibly do anything against the US in a military sense. Maybe the UK will be given a portion of Canada. Portions of Quebec can go to France. Things will go back to normal after a few years with Canada becoming the 51st state.
Any trade embargo would cripple both nations. Most nations would probably rather keep their country happy than to destroy themsleves for a nation that is insignificant.
Possibly, but I think Canadians will accept it more. I think they would rather be under American occupation than be completely destroyed.
I think that there could be certain circumstances where the American population would support an invasion of Canada. I seriously doubt that an American invasion of Canada would trigger a Civil War. Most people don't care about Canada at all.
The US can just make up an excuse for the invasion anyways. It can be some combination of WMDs, hockey, 'they hate our freedom', and some of them are kind of French.
Bring it on? OK, but it'll end in about 3 hours 😀
In what way is it not equal benifit to you? Who's your major trading partner? Who's your #1 supplier of oil? Of mineral ore? Timber?
Can you cite one way in which it is not of equal benifit to you?
The world would not stand for the US invading a major, democratic nation. No G8 would stand for the US invading Canada, because if it happened to us, it could happen to any of them. Sheer self-protection. Although, tactically, they would be unable to stop it.
Also, it just wouldn't be worth it for the US. We sell them everything that they want to buy. Why would they invade?
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