If Dr. Paul had won the 2012 Republican nomination...

[IronWing]

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face, after Obama has successfully, Socialized Medicine.

-John

I wish Obama had at least attempted to socialize medicine. Instead he sat by while the Congressional Dems crafted the corporatist ball of garbage that now bears his name. Obama had the political clout to pull off at least a public option if not a single payer system. He pissed it away and signed a bill that entrenches the private insurance companies even deeper.

 

[Zorkorist]

No, you are being deceived by a propaganda machine. Boehner does nothing but make wild, unsupported assertions for play on Fox News. All he does is fear-monger -- "The Democrats are out to get you, so vote Republican!" It's just an election strategy, and it works quite well on the uneducated. Congrats for falling for it.

He's the fucking Speaker of the House.

He hasn't given into Obama, and from what I see, he never will.

Give him some respect.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

I wish Obama had at least attempted to socialize medicine. Instead he sat by while the Congressional Dems crafted the corporatist ball of garbage that now bears his name. Obama had the political clout to pull off at least a public option if not a single payer system. He pissed it away and signed a bill that entrenches the private insurance companies even deeper.

OK, I agree with you.

Obama, sucks.

-John

 

[IronWing]

OK, I agree with you.

Obama, sucks.

-John

At least we agree on this.

Someday maybe Americans will vote their self-interests and we'll elect a liberal again. America can't afford having two rightwing parties fighting it out.

 

[Zorkorist]

It has nothing to do, today, with what American's elect.

It's beyond that.

Government, is too powerful.

They won't stop taking power, taxing, policing, etc.

There is nothing left in the constitution, or law, that will stop them.

Government, Socialism, Communism, all the way.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

John Boehner realizes this. He's old enough now to be able to say, "what the fuck?!"

And he is trying his best to help his country, for his kids.

-John

 

[IronWing]

Boehner's the party hack who okayed the creation of the Tea Party brand as a way to allow his party's nutjobs to make the most ridiculous statements while maintaining his distance from them. Now he is having trouble reeling the nuts back in after the brand has outlived its usefulness.

 

[Zorkorist]

We're done with sane statements.

It doesn't really matter anymore, when Government can TROUNCE ALL OVER the constitution, and enact socialized medicine.

Boehner, is one of the first politicos to realize how far gone we are.

He's one of the only politicos left, that care.

-John

 

[IronWing]

Cares about what exactly? He's very good at protecting the interests of the oligarchs but that's about it.

 

[Zorkorist]

Cares about his Country. That should be obvious.

The guy is Speaker of the House.

Give him some respect.

-John

 

[IronWing]

Cares about his Country. That should be obvious.

The guy is Speaker of the House.

Give him some respect.

-John

He has to earn respect. His performance has been wanting.

 

[DominionSeraph]

He hasn't given into Obama, and from what I see, he never will.

You're right. Because the Republicans are only the party of "No."

Obama could propose that abortion be outlawed, that women no longer be allowed to vote or to work, that Latinos all be deported, that slavery be reinstated, that Creationism be taught as fact, and that membership in the Klan be a requirement to hold government office; and what would be the Conservative Talk response? "OMG, hold onto your guns, this is the largest grab of government power in the history of the nation! How are they going to pay for all this? This is why we need to vote Republican in 2016!"

As long as the Democrats don't become the party for the rich, the wealthy will keep up their anti-Democrat spin, which you will fall for hook, line, and sinker.
Boehner can fool you. He can't fool the rich. That's what determines the Republican's direction.

 

[Zorkorist]

Obama, and the Democrats are in charge of the worlds largest spending, the American Government.

And they only want to spend more, and more,

and more,

and

more.

With that spending, they buy the power they crave.

First you get the Power. Then you get the Money. Then you get the Women.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Do they actually give a shit about people?

No.

-John

 

[DominionSeraph]

Obama, and the Democrats are in charge of the worrlds largest spending, the American Government.

And they only want to spend more, and more,

and more,

and

more.

Funny that the last balanced budget was under Clinton, and we're decreasing again under Obama. The budget deficit was $1.4 trillion coming in, it's down to $845 billion this year, and projected to be down to $430 billion in 2015.

You're really not very bright, are you?

 

[Zorkorist]

When the little kids of tomorrow look up to you, with their big balls of eyes, and ask, "Daddy, can I be a Doctor?" And you tell them, no. Only certain people can be Doctor's. It's decided by the Government.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Funny that the last balanced budget was under Clinton, and we're decreasing again under Obama.

You're really not very bright, are you?

Oh fuck off.

Nobody questions that Obama is spending more than any president ever, see the bailout, and obligating government to huge expenditures with his socialistic unversal healthcare.

-John

 

[DominionSeraph]

Nobody questions

You certainly don't question anything conservative talk feeds you. This is why you conservatards are so amusing.

 

[Zorkorist]

I question, I read, I am knowledgeable.

-John

 

[Siddhartha]

Over the last thirty years the federal budget debt has grown the fastest under Mr Reagan and Mr George W Bush. I wonder how many of the current GOP congresspersons voted for the Bush's Iraqi and Afghan wars and tax cuts?

Yes, I am saying they are a bunch of hypocrites.

Edit I did not see Dom's graph about who has created the most debt. It is classic reading the denial response about the facts to do not support the member's political agenda.

 

[Zorkorist]

Obama, hasn't produced a budget, so I guess he is exempt from these calculations?

He only spends, and spends and spends, without any regard to his constituents, and the country.

-John

 

[DominionSeraph]

I question, I read, I am knowledgeable.

You do not know how to question your presuppositions. You are nothing but a boring machine sifting through data looking for items that confirm them.

 

[Zorkorist]

He SOCIALIZES entire industries, like health care.

This is something Venezuelan President Heugo Chavez did in 1960.

Cuba, did it before then.

-John

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If Dr. Paul had won the 2012 Republican nomination...... what do you think the popular vote percentages would've been?

I think Dr. Paul would've made anywhere from 39-51%.

I suspect you're right on the lower end however, I don't think he would have done better than 42% of the popular vote against Obama.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

80/20 to Obama.