wow you guys have no idea what you're talking about. i'm not even gonna bother with this thread.. go learn some facts before you open your fat mouths.
They should allow Ecstasy to be used in clinics to treat psychological disorders like depression like they used to before they banned it. It works wonders.
Actually cannabis has significant historical backing for all kinds of uses, especially as a medicine (including being smoked). The problem is that cannabis smoked for recreation has a historical background filled with lies and association with the 'wrong' types of people.
Before the reefer madness era it was mainly blacks and mexicans. Then in the 60/70's it was the counter culture hippies. The fact that it was associated with these people made it easy to demonize and play on white americas racial fears/prejudices.
To the op: I don't think it would matter if some powerful industry decided they wanted pot legal. There are to many other industries that don't, especially the prison and law enforcement "industry". I also doubt the alcohol industry would welcome the competition. Plus the the 'fact' that pot is associated with the 'wrong' crowd still lingers in the minds of many older conservatives.
Originally posted by: rbV5
Why would big tobacco kill the golden goose?
They could probably make a killing off of pot and traditional cigs at the same time. I've noticed that a large percentage of pot smokers are also cigarette smokers. I think this might be because teenagers often try and cover up the smell of pot with cigarettes and eventually develop the habit.
The tobacco companies would most likely mix pot with tobacco and some other nasty ingredients like in modern cigs. This is actually a popular thing in places like england where they almost always mix pot and tobacco, theres a word for it but I can't recall what it is.
Kanalua
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No doubt that mj has a history in the United States, I would not consider it as significant as tobacco and alcohol. Compared to tobacco, the history of mj (for getting high) pales... MJ was not able to survive efforts to tax and illegalize. Alcohol is probably the biggest survivor, surviving a constitutional outlawing! Mj is used, by the numbers, by whites to get high - more in number than any other ethnic or racial group in the US - I would argue that any racial barrier to the legalization of mj are long gone.
Simply having a tobacco company switch to mj will not lead to mj being legalized. The legalization of tobacco and the failed efforts to make tobacco illegal have not succeeded or failed because of Big tobacco. The same argument is true for opium or cocaine (history & current political/legal situation).
Never, too many anti-drug morons don't realize that tobacco and marijuana are alike with health problems.
Tell that the the state governments which already or are planning to tax the hell out of cigarettes.
eplebnista
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shortylickens
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Ummm, it is because they are evil that they would legalize weed, if they were the ones selling it.
Since its already 2007 and it hasnt happened yet, I would say its not going to happen.
They've have plenty of time to "encourage" politicians to do it.
I guess they just dont see it as a viable market.
funboy6942
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ch33zw1z
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ch33zw1z
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lol, it's not "legal" because the FDA claims there's no medical use for it, BUT there's actually people that have Federal scrips for it.
Not only is there viable medical use for MJ, it has many other uses. among them: paper, clothing, rope, natural fuels, AND able to be harvested more than twice as much as anything we use today.
Also, many states are opening medical MJ programs...registered patients can attain scrips via State gov't, but can still be prosecuted Federally
Jeff7
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What happened to "We're against marijuana. Stay the course!"
We were never "stay the course."
Besides, the Neo-Cons should love to make it legal. Where's all this personal freedom they like to talk about?
Possibly. People pay crazy amounts of money for coffee at Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts, when coffee can be made at home for much less money. People also buy vegetables at the store, when growing them at home isn't too difficult. Want apples? Plant an apple tree, or buy one of those miniature things that some gardening suppliers sell, and grow it on a porch or in a sunroom. People will pay 3-digit prices for designer pants when a $20 pair will do the same job, without some company's logo embroidered on it. "Our pants are worth this much money because we told you that they are, and you believed us. You actually believed us."
So there would still be the convenience of just going to the store and buying pre-rolled joints with a big brandname stamped on the package, rather than going to the trouble of growing the plants yourself at home.
Just get the pope some, he'll probably say that they found some new scripture, or reinterpreted something else, and hey, it's ok now!
DainBramaged
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It will be legalized when it will be legalized, regardless of Big Tobacco. I'm guessing around 25 years.
There's too much to lose politically by legalizing marijuana. It has nothing to do with making money.
Vic
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Because hemp/cannabis has other viable uses, particularly medical uses, besides just getting some losers high. Your question should be, why have we outlawed such a valuable resource just because we're afraid some losers might abuse it?
edit: on topic, Big Tobacco does not, contrary to popular opinion, have the political clout to make cannabis legal.
How so? So far as I can tell, all the seemingly good arguments for legalizing are cooked up by potheads. If you know of some good reasons beyond over generalized arguments, please share.
There isn't much stopping it from being used medically - as with many many other drugs, and as far as industrial cannabis, there is a pretty big difference there considering it is a non-psychoactive variety of cannabis.
Oh and in case you didn't notice, this thread is about "Big Tobacco" and marijuana - clearly the argument here is legalize it in order to obtain it and smoke it to get high.
You can come up with any other conspiracy theory you want to make yourself feel better if that's what it takes.
What about the ability of people to choose what they put into their own body? Do you own yourself, or does the government own you?
I can understand not being able to smoke up in the presence of others, but if you're in your own home, alone, then why shouldn't you be allowed to do it? I feel that why a person does alone, in their own house, is nobody else's business.
People would still pay for the convenience of pre rolled weed. Rolling your own cigarettes is much cheaper than buying them, but it takes effort. Same would be applied for weed.
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