If Android is gone, which platform would you switch to?

[BoT]

not apple ios .. out of spite

 

[hanoverphist]

iOS most definitely. I'm thinking the high WP7 responses has to do with the extreme Apple hate.

not all of them. i voted wp7, but mainly because i like the OS. ive used iOS many times, i own some. i have friends and family with iphones, i just am not very impressed with it over time. it hasnt "wowed" me at all. i wouldnt discount iOS, it just isnt my first choice. hell, even though i have a droidX (and like the phone) android isnt really my first choice. vzw is who my work uses, and they have no wp7 choice beyond the trophy.

 

[MotionMan]

It is no different than "Apple only," and "any one who rejects Apple marketing, is therefore a sad hater."

The difference is that, at least for me, my preference for Apple does not require me to ooze hate for non-Apple products or their fanboys.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Of course, you won't change. I won't change. You know why?

mobile OS has created the Nikon/Canon model. Both have always made equally fine devices, almost essentially indistinguishable from the other.

No one is really a Nikon fan boy or a Canon fanboy--they don't really prefer Canon, even when they say they do.

The fact is--they have spent thousands of dollars on Canon lenses, or Nikon lenses. They are invested in the ecosystem of that device. They aren't going to change if the competitor comes out with a better device.

Of course--this is a much older, far more established industry which allows that type of massive investment.

You don't really have that investment with mobile OS, yet....but that's what it already is, whether we like it or not.

I've switched before. I can do it again if Apple slips or someone else moves ahead.

MotionMan

 

[trmiv]

The difference is that, at least for me, my preference for Apple does not require me to ooze hate for non-Apple products or their fanboys.

MotionMan

This. I have an iPhone 4S. Also have a Droid and an Asus Transformer. May pickup an iPad for my wife, and Kindle Fire for me to mess around with as well. I'm also interested in seeing a Windows 8 tablet. I appreciate the strengths and know the weaknesses of both platforms because I like technology and gadgets. People that hate one or the other confuse the hell out of me. These are cool pocket computers, how could anyone hate one or the other? It's awesome that we have the choice and that Apple/Google/MS are driving each other to innovate!

 

[theeedude]

I hate Apple not because it's products are bad, because it wants to take away my ability to buy what I want to buy with their endless BS lawsuits. They can choose to compete for my business on the merits, or using a judicial fiat. Them having chosen the latter, I have no interest in the former.

 

[MotionMan]

I hate Apple not because it's products are bad, because it wants to take away my ability to buy what I want to buy with their endless BS lawsuits. They can choose to compete for my business on the merits, or using a judicial fiat. Them having chosen the latter, I have no interest in the former.

So you will not buy from any tech company that files patent lawsuits?

MotionMan

 

[BUTCH1]

Nice try.

The problem is Apple-haters that deny they are Apple-haters.

I like Apple products. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it. But you do not see me bashing Apple competitors. I do not wish ill will to Android or WP7 - I welcome them as they result in everyone pushing to get better.

MotionMan

I'm not a hater of Apple's products, it's their ongoing attempt (along with MS) to kill off Android, denying consumers choices. Even if GM made a car I considered perfect I would be pissed if they tried to oust Ford from making cars due to flimsy patent infringement issues, that's where my hate stems from. Stop the bullshit lawsuits and let the free market decide for itself what phone/OS is for them, clearly Android has something going for it people want/like, the sales of Android dictate that but the greed, envy and arrogance of both MS and Apple make me want to puke..

 

[theeedude]

So you will not buy from any tech company that files patent lawsuits?

MotionMan

With intent to exclude the competition, as opposed to strike a licensing agreement, no, I wouldn't.

 

[MotionMan]

I'm not a hater of Apple's products, it's their ongoing attempt (along with MS) to kill off Android, denying consumers choices. Even if GM made a car I considered perfect I would be pissed if they tried to oust Ford from making cars due to flimsy patent infringement issues, that's where my hate stems from. Stop the bullshit lawsuits and let the free market decide for itself what phone/OS is for them, clearly Android has something going for it people want/like, the sales of Android dictate that but the greed, envy and arrogance of both MS and Apple make me want to puke..

With intent to exclude the competition, as opposed to strike a licensing agreement, no, I wouldn't.

Lawsuits are lawsuits. You're splitting hairs.

MotionMan

 

[badb0y]

I am an iOS user but if it didn't exist I would use Android. I haven't tried WP7 so I might give that a shot also.

 

[Zaap]

I'll believe it's the same thing when someone can produce a quote from the head of Google vowing to spend untold sums of money to destroy iOS.

I'm not naive enough to view Google, Microsoft or any of their partners as without a fair share of business-ruthlessness when it suits them, but be honest- the former head of Apple expressed a personal vendetta to destroy a competing product. That speaks volumes about Apple's corporate philosophy regarding its competitors, and illustrates the real motives behind their penchant for obnoxious lawsuits.

 

[KentState]

I voted iOS, but should probably change it to WP7. I have an iPod Touch which does everything I need for what I would want an iPhone for.

 

[BUTCH1]

Lawsuits are lawsuits. You're splitting hairs.

MotionMan

Not really, excellent post from Zaap kind of sums it up nicely, "I'll believe it's the same thing when someone can produce a quote from the head of Google vowing to spend untold sums of money to destroy iOS.

I'm not naive enough to view Google, Microsoft or any of their partners as without a fair share of business-ruthlessness when it suits them, but be honest- the former head of Apple expressed a personal vendetta to destroy a competing product. That speaks volumes about Apple's corporate philosophy regarding its competitors, and illustrates the real motives behind their penchant for obnoxious lawsuits. "

Let the marketplace decide what happens ala Betamax/VHS, if I were an Apple stockholder I would be furious if the company wound up spending tons of cash trying to crush Android rather than spending it developing newer and better features for Ios that would make consumers want to switch. Sony lost the VCR format but won with Blu-ray, why? it was a better design with great manufacturer and studio support, not because Sony tried to litigate HD DVD into the dirt..

 

[MotionMan]

Not really, excellent post from Zaap kind of sums it up nicely, "I'll believe it's the same thing when someone can produce a quote from the head of Google vowing to spend untold sums of money to destroy iOS.

Only Jobs would say something like that. Even if every other tech company CEO thought it about other companies, we would never hear it.

I'm not naive enough to view Google, Microsoft or any of their partners as without a fair share of business-ruthlessness when it suits them, but be honest- the former head of Apple expressed a personal vendetta to destroy a competing product. That speaks volumes about Apple's corporate philosophy regarding its competitors, and illustrates the real motives behind their penchant for obnoxious lawsuits. "

That is (was?) Apple's apparent position about one competitor. Can you say with any certainty at all that no other tech company had the same position about one of its competitors at some point in time?

Let the marketplace decide what happens ala Betamax/VHS, if I were an Apple stockholder I would be furious if the company wound up spending tons of cash trying to crush Android rather than spending it developing newer and better features for Ios that would make consumers want to switch. Sony lost the VCR format but won with Blu-ray, why? it was a better design with great manufacturer and studio support, not because Sony tried to litigate HD DVD into the dirt..

If that is your opinion as a stockholder, then you have very poor investment IQ. "Stockholders" want the stock value to go up. Eliminating competition does that just as well, if not better, than inventing a better mousetrap.

MotionMan

 

[MrX8503]

Not really, excellent post from Zaap kind of sums it up nicely, "I'll believe it's the same thing when someone can produce a quote from the head of Google vowing to spend untold sums of money to destroy iOS.

I also don't know of a CEO that spent their last days coming up with new ideas for the next iPhone or Apple TV. I don't think there was another CEO like Steve Jobs that cared so much about their own company. When your life is that entrenched into a company, you would be pissed off too if you felt like your ideas were stolen from a trusted business partner.

People may hate Steve Job's business ethics, but thats the kind of ethics you need to save a dying company into one of the most profitable in the world. You don't get there by passive business practices.

I buy my products based on my needs, I don't buy on a loyalty/hate basis like some other people. If the device is good, the company has my money. Currently the device that has my money is the iPhone.

As for the thread in question, I would probably move to WP7 as I already have iOS.

 

[BUTCH1]

I also don't know of a CEO that spent their last days coming up with new ideas for the next iPhone or Apple TV. I don't think there was another CEO like Steve Jobs that cared so much about their own company. When your life is that entrenched into a company, you would be pissed off too if you felt like your ideas were stolen from a trusted business partner.

People may hate Steve Job's business ethics, but thats the kind of ethics you need to save a dying company into one of the most profitable in the world. You don't get there by passive business practices.

I buy my products based on my needs, I don't buy on a loyalty/hate basis like some other people. If the device is good, the company has my money. Currently the device that has my money is the iPhone.

As for the thread in question, I would probably move to WP7 as I already have iOS.

He saved a company with innovative, polished products that worked out of the box and that's great, kinda pricey for some but hey, no one is forcing anyone to use Apple it's your choice. The ugly head arose when a different (and less expensive alternative) came out and market share slid, if GM offered a Sync-like experience in a Cruze should Ford try to crush it legally or concentrate on developing a better experience with their own interface?..

 

[BUTCH1]

Only Jobs would say something like that. Even if every other tech company CEO thought it about other companies, we would never hear it.



That is (was?) Apple's apparent position about one competitor. Can you say with any certainty at all that no other tech company had the same position about one of its competitors at some point in time?



If that is your opinion as a stockholder, then you have very poor investment IQ. "Stockholders" want the stock value to go up. Eliminating competition does that just as well, if not better, than inventing a better mousetrap.

MotionMan

If the elimination is done early then yes, at this point though the backlash from pissed off Android users would be huge, "great, Apple just orphaned my phone, I'll just spend a bunch on an Iphone", I don't think so, if Android was killed users would rather use an inferior product than let Apple get one cent of their money..

 

[MrX8503]

He saved a company with innovative, polished products that worked out of the box and that's great, kinda pricey for some but hey, no one is forcing anyone to use Apple it's your choice. The ugly head arose when a different (and less expensive alternative) came out and market share slid, if GM offered a Sync-like experience in a Cruze should Ford try to crush it legally or concentrate on developing a better experience with their own interface?..

I don't think Apple's marketshare slid, it just didn't grow as rapidly as Android.

Anyway, Ford syncing or whatever it is, wasn't ground breaking nor was a game changer in the automobile industry. Second, Ford's CEO didn't have the idea stolen from a business partner and then have the idea sprout up elsewhere as a competitor.

iOS was a game changer and it shaped the way we use smartphones today. Whether or not the ideas were indeed stolen or influenced, Steve felt like they were by a trusted partner. Thats the difference. IMO, I think Android would have lead the path of BBOS if the iPhone didn't exist.

The ideas behind iOS for a smartphone is a multibillion dollar goldmine, you'd want to protect that too.

 

[BUTCH1]

I don't think Apple's marketshare slid, it just didn't grow as rapidly as Android.

Anyway, Ford syncing or whatever it is, wasn't ground breaking nor was a game changer in the automobile industry. Second, Ford's CEO didn't have the idea stolen from a business partner and then have the idea sprout up elsewhere as a competitor.

iOS was a game changer and it shaped the way we use smartphones today. Whether or not the ideas were indeed stolen or influenced, Steve felt like they were by a trusted partner. Thats the difference. IMO, I think Android would have lead the path of BBOS if the iPhone didn't exist.

The ideas behind iOS for a smartphone is a multibillion dollar goldmine, you'd want to protect that too.

But eventually phones were headed towards a GUI, it was just a matter of processor power in a small device, just like TV's were headed for flat panel knobless designs, does the first flat panel TV maker (Sharp) get royalties from everybody now making them?

 

[theeedude]

Lawsuits are lawsuits. You're splitting hairs.

MotionMan

Maybe to you they are, but not to me. I am not going to patronize a company whose goal is to stop me from buying competitor products by judicial fiat. I simply don't want my money paying their lawyers.

 

[MotionMan]

But eventually phones were headed towards a GUI, it was just a matter of processor power in a small device, just like TV's were headed for flat panel knobless designs, does the first flat panel TV maker (Sharp) get royalties from everybody now making them?

Did they patent it?

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Maybe to you they are, but not to me. I am not going to patronize a company whose goal is to stop me from buying competitor products by judicial fiat. I simply don't want my money paying their lawyers.

That essentially is what every tech patent lawsuit is about. Either that or extracting money from a competitor. Neither of those sit well with me, but, since I am not Amish, there is not much I can do but buy the tech products I like.

MotionMan (who knows a little bit about lawsuits and splitting hairs )

 

[theeedude]

That essentially is what every tech patent lawsuit is about. Either that or extracting money from a competitor. Neither of those sit well with me, but, since I am not Amish, there is not much I can do but buy the tech products I like.

MotionMan (who knows a little bit about lawsuits and splitting hairs )

I am not Amish either, and not much I can do except not buy products from companies I don't like, even if they are better in many aspects. If Apple wants to game the patent system, they sure won't be doing it with my money.

 

[MotionMan]

I am not Amish either, and not much I can do except not buy products from companies I don't like, even if they are better in many aspects. If Apple wants to game the patent system, they sure won't be doing it with my money.

I guarantee you, whomever you are buying from has or will try to game the patent system.

Don't try to fool yourself or be naive.

MotionMan