If Al Qaeda were to release a nuclear bomb in down town New York

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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
some posts here scare me. if you demand us to close down our radical schools why haven't you shut down yours?

I would love to see radical christianity disappear off the face of the Earth...but the question was if Al Qaeda did it. (I've also stated what I would do if home-grown terrorists did it.)
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Craig234
"The fascination with Hitler continues because people instinctively know the issue is not Hitler, but how a society could fail so badly at stopping him, and knowing they could make the same mistake."
- Craig234
dude.. speaking of quotes and sigs, do you really have a quote from yourself in your own sig, as though those were the most profound words you've ever spoken!? really?! :confused:

wow... just when I thought I'd seen it all.

Just out of curiosity, do you personally agree with the Woodward/Kissinger quote?
 

idiotekniQues

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well considering ill be working midtown starting shortly, my immediate reaction would be to start glowing
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
some posts here scare me. if you demand us to close down our radical schools why haven't you shut down yours?
Schools in the US do not export religiously motivated extremist violence throughout the world... at least, I'm not aware of any schools that do so. Can you point me toward such a school?

On the other hand, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the current centers of extreme Islam in the world, and each exports that extremism in the form of international terrorism.

please fix that.

kkthnx.
 

Stiganator

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I would imagine there would be a worldwide response. There hasn't been a single attack of that scale, since we did it in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I would imagine there would be outrage, but I would hope the administration would react calmly and with a calculated response. A delta force type response for a quick in and out capture would be ideal.
 
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Do absolutely nothing. What the fuck am I going to do? Get into a hazmat suit and try to figure out the origin of the bomb?

Waiting for information is all we can do.
 

Oceandevi

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Originally posted by: Perry404
Al Qaeda releases a nuclear bomb in down town NY killing a million people and displacing the city...

If this scenario came to fruition what would be your response?
What would you demand from your government?
Very curious as to how Americans answer.

A. Oh noes a bomb!

B. I would demand that we nuke every other country and then colonize the whole world so that we can live in peace.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Donuts
Launch every nuke we had at the middle east, then sit back with my favorite beer and a good cigar.
Just remember to sell your SUVs first and buy a moped.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Flat out, Nuke the middle east, all of it, then drop one in Malayasia for good measure, and Indonesia just to make sure you got everyone.
I don't know about you, but the Americans I know aren't interested in paying $20/gallon.

I doubt most Americans would care about gas prices at that point because the economy would already be ruined.
Really? I didn't realize it only took one small nuclear bomb to take out our entire society.
 

Braznor

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Flat out, Nuke the middle east, all of it, then drop one in Malayasia for good measure, and Indonesia just to make sure you got everyone.
I don't know about you, but the Americans I know aren't interested in paying $20/gallon.

I doubt most Americans would care about gas prices at that point because the economy would already be ruined.
Really? I didn't realize it only took one small nuclear bomb to take out our entire society.

9/11 caused 100$ billion+ worth of damage and that was just two buildings. Imagine something devastating a hundred times over or more.

At the very least, your society and economy will be retarded by a decade or so.
 

Drift3r

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Hmmmmm.......I'd probably say "Wow I guess getting rid of Saddam instead of chasing down Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan was the wrong fucking move."
 

Kuragami

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A full analysis of the residue and trace it back to the source. However this is not the movies so it will be a white wash.
 

jonks

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Hmm...what to do if a terrorist attack struck New York...I dunno, but I'd probably do something like the following:

I'd mobilize a propaganda war and ultimately invade a country that had nothing to do with the attack but use the attack as a motive for such an invasion, whose purpose in reality is to secure our oil interests. But then, due to incompetence, cronyism, corruption and idiocy, screw up the invasion leading to a decade long quagmire of the majority of US military forces on a foreign continent.

Institute invasive and aggressive video and communication surveillance over the US citizenry under the guise of protecting us from this future terrorist attacks. Politicize the justice department to investigate and prosecute disproportionate numbers of the opposing political party. Use such investigations as a threat against opposing elected officials. Leak select information to trusted propaganda dissemination groups in the mass media. Attack dissidents, critics and their families by any means necessary, including selectively declassifying and outing under cover operatives. Establish a detention center for anyone remotely suspected of connection to terrorists, deprive them of access to any outside counsel, and subject them to humiliating conditions in isolation, despite the overwhelming majority of prisoners likely being innocent of any wrong doing. Kidnap and extradite to black site prisons around the globe for interrogation by methods formerly prosecuted as war crimes any person of any nation deemed a candidate for such treatment.

Hire a staff of die-hard party loyalist lawyers to draft various memoranda justifying the legal context for all of the above. Have the president issue executive orders classifying all illegal acts, exert executive privilege over any questionable tactics, and instruct any administration staff subpoenaed before Congress to deny, obfuscate, affect false or faulty memory, or simply lie. Guarantee presidential pardons to anyone brought up on charges for interfering with a Congressional investigation or perjury.

But hey, this is all theoretical, I mean, that's just crazy talk! :)

(nuke mecca? jesus fucking christ...)
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Attacking any oil rich nation (Saudi Arabia, Iran) means $10/gas for us at home. Although I'm sure Exxon would love that, it wouldn't exactly be the path Americans want, unless (and I seriously doubt this) there was clear cut evidence linking a foreign government with the plot.

Not to want to change the topic, but this is the perfect moment in P&N to point this out. Constantly, the Big Oil apologists point out that despite the windfall profits, "they're only making 8% profit!" Well, you're right, Exxon would love that. While use might drop by 20% with a jump to $10 per gallon they get to more than double their profit per gallon, all the while smiling and raising their champagne glasses to toast the people who spend their days reminding people that they're "only" making 8% profit.
 
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If actual members of AQ could be found, kill/prosecute them. Demand to know just what the US was involved in that was pissing people off to the point that they'd do that...if it was unreasonable then I'd want it stopped. Other than that what can you really do?
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
If actual members of AQ could be found, kill/prosecute them. Demand to know just what the US was involved in that was pissing people off to the point that they'd do that...if it was unreasonable then I'd want it stopped. Other than that what can you really do?

this is the sunday morining funnies, right? ask them what was pissing them off? i think u had it at "...kill...them."... There's no negotiating with someone who will use a nuke... including us if we ever decide to... using a nuke means never having to say you're sorry...

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Attacking any oil rich nation (Saudi Arabia, Iran) means $10/gas for us at home. Although I'm sure Exxon would love that, it wouldn't exactly be the path Americans want, unless (and I seriously doubt this) there was clear cut evidence linking a foreign government with the plot.

Not to want to change the topic, but this is the perfect moment in P&N to point this out. Constantly, the Big Oil apologists point out that despite the windfall profits, "they're only making 8% profit!" Well, you're right, Exxon would love that. While use might drop by 20% with a jump to $10 per gallon they get to more than double their profit per gallon, all the while smiling and raising their champagne glasses to toast the people who spend their days reminding people that they're "only" making 8% profit.

Exactly, they would continue to say it's a good thing.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
What?!? No one would do what Jesus would do? Turn the other cheek, right?

Nah. Look what happened to Jesus afer he turned the other cheek. He got nailed to a cross. No thanks.
 
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Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
If actual members of AQ could be found, kill/prosecute them. Demand to know just what the US was involved in that was pissing people off to the point that they'd do that...if it was unreasonable then I'd want it stopped. Other than that what can you really do?

this is the sunday morining funnies, right? ask them what was pissing them off? i think u had it at "...kill...them."... There's no negotiating with someone who will use a nuke... including us if we ever decide to... using a nuke means never having to say you're sorry...

Unless they are batshit insane people don't just go off and nuke people. There is usually a point to terrorism, a goal if you will (greater than just the desire to cause terror). Often it's not a reasonable goal, but it sometimes is. If the goal is reasonable then it's logical that addressing the core problem will diminish the terrorism, as well as preventing new terrorism over the same issue. If the goal isn't reasonable then obviously there's just nothing to be done, though time and energy should still be expended on education of that fact as well as eradicating the irrational threat.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
What?!? No one would do what Jesus would do? Turn the other cheek, right?

Nah. Look what happened to Jesus afer he turned the other cheek. He got nailed to a cross. No thanks.

Christianity, you're doing it wrong!
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I'm so tired of hearing that revisionist crap. You judge historical figures by the world they lived in, not the one you live in. Everyone of their class and means owned slaves. Not everyone voluntarily freed those slaves upon their own death, or wrote the Declaration of Independence (the first draft of which called slavery an "abomination" that must be ended), or defeated the preeminent great power of the age before refusing the absolute power that most men, including me, would have taken in a heartbeat.

Don't believe the PC bullshit. Washington and Jefferson were better men than you, me, or any president this or any other country has had in our lifetimes. And I find it especially ironic that you would attack them for owning slaves or commiting genocide (which neither of them did) after what you posted, which basically amounts to abolishing freedom of religion, nuking historical cities, undoing the Constitution, and institutionalizing racism all over again.

Slavery and genocide aren't revionism, they're historical fact. I don't believe the PC BS about the founding fathers, nor do I worship them like you seem to do. They were humans, and had the same virtues and faults that we do now.

Anyway, what would you do? Re-double airport security efforts?

Exactly, they were men, not mythological figures that need to be completely discounted for being less than perfect. I'm not the one who sees them as such...thats all the new-age lesbian social history professors who try to project their own self-important utopian bullshit hundreds of years into the past, and write volumes of complete drivel about how Richard Lionheart was a homo just because he didn't love his arranged-marriage wife or father a child. I never felt the need to deify them in the first place, hence no need to change history to match my own granola bar version of reality. Don't worry, if you went to college within the last 10 years, I won't hold it against you that all you were taught is this trendy politically-motivated PC claptrap that suggests we use modern liberal standards to judge the first Homo Sapien in his natural habitat.

To answer your question, I certainly would become more extreme if the OP happened...but I would not be willing to live in Soviet Russia just because some illiterate, subhuman, madrassa-deeducated Islamist rapist and child-killer was threatening my life. I'd rather take my chances with a gun and some ideals than let those ignorant brainwashed savages scare me into becoming like them.

I did not intend my response to your post to be insulting in any way...but like I said, I think some things are worth dying for.

Nice anti-intellectual screed there. The glaringly obvious point you seem to be missing however is that we constantly attempt to apply the thoughts and wisdom of the founding fathers to our government and actions today. Your attempt to say they should be completely discounted is a straw man, but you already knew that. The fact that our founding fathers committed genocide and enslaved people is simply a good reminder that simply because someone pulls out a quote that Thomas Jefferson said, doesn't mean it was a good idea because he obviously thought enslaving people and fathering children with them (likely against their desires) were good ideas too.

You clearly have no idea whatsoever what Thomas Jefferson thought about slavery, and are apparently only superficially acquainted with the story of Sally Hemings (if you even knew her name, that is). This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're bombarded with modern PC bullshit and you swallow the entire load hook, line, and sinker because it fits in with your modern worldview. That's called revisionism.

History is what actually happened in the past. That's obviously not what you've been taught, as you don't know what you're talking about, and throwing around terms from a Logic 101 class can't hide that.

I'm a historian at a museum, my major in college was history, and I get paid to research this stuff for a living. Whats your experience in the field? And before you answer, Wikipedia doesn't count.
 

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Nuke Mecca. We are at war with radical Islam. If Muslims who aren't part of this radical movement won't take a stand against their terrorist brethren f 'em all. Obliterating their holiest of cities would just be a start.

QFTW.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Originally posted by: conehead433
Nuke Mecca. We are at war with radical Islam. If Muslims who aren't part of this radical movement won't take a stand against their terrorist brethren f 'em all. Obliterating their holiest of cities would just be a start.

QFTW.
The chances of that happening are equivalent to the chances of the Lakers winning the Superbowl.

We don't pick targets at random, and we don't nuke allies like Saudi Arabia. Nor do we plunge our economy into chaos with $15/gallon gas.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Nice anti-intellectual screed there. The glaringly obvious point you seem to be missing however is that we constantly attempt to apply the thoughts and wisdom of the founding fathers to our government and actions today. Your attempt to say they should be completely discounted is a straw man, but you already knew that. The fact that our founding fathers committed genocide and enslaved people is simply a good reminder that simply because someone pulls out a quote that Thomas Jefferson said, doesn't mean it was a good idea because he obviously thought enslaving people and fathering children with them (likely against their desires) were good ideas too.

You clearly have no idea whatsoever what Thomas Jefferson thought about slavery, and are apparently only superficially acquainted with the story of Sally Hemings (if you even knew her name, that is). This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're bombarded with modern PC bullshit and you swallow the entire load hook, line, and sinker because it fits in with your modern worldview. That's called revisionism.

History is what actually happened in the past. That's obviously not what you've been taught, as you don't know what you're talking about, and throwing around terms from a Logic 101 class can't hide that.

I'm a historian at a museum, my major in college was history, and I get paid to research this stuff for a living. Whats your experience in the field? And before you answer, Wikipedia doesn't count.

What are you babbling about? Your post is like you just wrote a right wing crazy mad lib.

In your opinion you judge people based upon the world they lived in, that's fine. My point is that people consistently attempt to use the 'wisdom' of the founding fathers in arguments today as if it were gospel or as some sort of trump card. They had some really good ideas, and some horribly bad ones. When people bring up their participation in slavery they are simply reminding others of that fact. It has nothing to do with their worth as human beings, it has to do with the worth of their ideas, who like the men themselves were frequently flawed.

The funny thing is that I largely agree with your greater view on this subject, but your ridiculous post attacking lesbian professors or whatever is just stupid. I hope you don't act this way when talking about your topic of expertise with other people, because if you do I can see why you might have resorted to an internet forum to find people willing to listen to you.