If Al Qaeda were to release a nuclear bomb in down town New York

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Robor

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Well I would say, Damn, Obama was right, he did bring change. Because instead of whooping the ass of those responsible for the act, he would want to sit down and have "meaningful" dialouge with them.

But if it did happen, expect a wave of crime against muslims and people of middle eastern origin.

Hack
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I'm so tired of hearing that revisionist crap. You judge historical figures by the world they lived in, not the one you live in. Everyone of their class and means owned slaves. Not everyone voluntarily freed those slaves upon their own death, or wrote the Declaration of Independence (the first draft of which called slavery an "abomination" that must be ended), or defeated the preeminent great power of the age before refusing the absolute power that most men, including me, would have taken in a heartbeat.

Don't believe the PC bullshit. Washington and Jefferson were better men than you, me, or any president this or any other country has had in our lifetimes. And I find it especially ironic that you would attack them for owning slaves or commiting genocide (which neither of them did) after what you posted, which basically amounts to abolishing freedom of religion, nuking historical cities, undoing the Constitution, and institutionalizing racism all over again.

Slavery and genocide aren't revionism, they're historical fact. I don't believe the PC BS about the founding fathers, nor do I worship them like you seem to do. They were humans, and had the same virtues and faults that we do now.

Anyway, what would you do? Re-double airport security efforts?

Exactly, they were men, not mythological figures that need to be completely discounted for being less than perfect. I'm not the one who sees them as such...thats all the new-age lesbian social history professors who try to project their own self-important utopian bullshit hundreds of years into the past, and write volumes of complete drivel about how Richard Lionheart was a homo just because he didn't love his arranged-marriage wife or father a child. I never felt the need to deify them in the first place, hence no need to change history to match my own granola bar version of reality. Don't worry, if you went to college within the last 10 years, I won't hold it against you that all you were taught is this trendy politically-motivated PC claptrap that suggests we use modern liberal standards to judge the first Homo Sapien in his natural habitat.

To answer your question, I certainly would become more extreme if the OP happened...but I would not be willing to live in Soviet Russia just because some illiterate, subhuman, madrassa-deeducated Islamist rapist and child-killer was threatening my life. I'd rather take my chances with a gun and some ideals than let those ignorant brainwashed savages scare me into becoming like them.

I did not intend my response to your post to be insulting in any way...but like I said, I think some things are worth dying for.

Nice anti-intellectual screed there. The glaringly obvious point you seem to be missing however is that we constantly attempt to apply the thoughts and wisdom of the founding fathers to our government and actions today. Your attempt to say they should be completely discounted is a straw man, but you already knew that. The fact that our founding fathers committed genocide and enslaved people is simply a good reminder that simply because someone pulls out a quote that Thomas Jefferson said, doesn't mean it was a good idea because he obviously thought enslaving people and fathering children with them (likely against their desires) were good ideas too.
 

yllus

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I'd expect some very serious demands being made of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the two main contributors to the issue of Islamic terrorism. As in a specific threat made to each head of state to immediately begin to clamp down on money and training being passed on to extremists before that job gets handed over to the USAF instead.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
You don't think the US government would take extreme measres if a nuke went off in NYC? Did you notice how the collapse of two buildings was used as an excuse for an invasian of Iraq?
The US government is a business. Picking random targets and dropping bombs is an expensive game with no payoff. The oil men in the White House chose Iraq for a very specific reason, and even then they did not choose to bomb it into oblivion. The whole war in Iraq has been done on a relatively shoestring budget, which is why it has been such a failure for 5 years.

First, multiply 9/11 by 100. Then, multiply the other side of the equation by 100 and you are going to get somethig a lot bigger than a war against a third world country. The options would be nuclear armegeddon or some constitutional changes. I think the constitutional changes are more likely.
This is a grade-school way of analyzing it. I bet that we wouldn't even use a retaliatory nuclear device (not that one would do much against al-Qaeda anyways). We've had the wrong approach for years, trying to drive a nail into the wall with a jackhammer.

Attacking any oil rich nation (Saudi Arabia, Iran) means $10/gas for us at home. Although I'm sure Exxon would love that, it wouldn't exactly be the path Americans want, unless (and I seriously doubt this) there was clear cut evidence linking a foreign government with the plot.
 

NeoV

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"The radicals have lost their base in Afghanistan, lost an ally in Iraq and are on the run and fighting for their lives along the Pakistan boarder.
In addition at least 100,000 Muslims have died since 9-11, compared to 8000 Americans and a few hundred Europeans. "

Wow - your grip on reality is even worse than I suspected PJ - An ally in Iraq? Are you F'ing kidding me? 100,000 muslims have died? In denial much?

Please get a clue.
 

RbSX

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Flat out, Nuke the middle east, all of it, then drop one in Malayasia for good measure, and Indonesia just to make sure you got everyone.
 

Sad Clown

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As I have no real say in anything that would theoretically happen after the attack I would probably wait to see how our government would react to it.

If that reaction included reducing my constitutional rights any further then they already have I would probably consider moving to Canada or Australia.
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Infohawk
If a reasonable inquiry revealed that it was in fact l Qaeda, then:

1) Drop a nuke on the most radical muslim city you could find;

2) Contain the rest of the muslim world;

AND

3) Move to amend the constitution to prohibit the practice of Islam in the US;

4) Give muslim Americans a choice to disavow Islam or leave;

OR

5) Register / monitor all persons in the US

6) Practice ethnic / religious profiling and limit the rights of muslims in the US so that it would not happen again

Either way, we would have to give up a lot of privacy rights in order to implement these policies. 3) and 4) would be more effective but would be a lot more likely to cause a civil war.

creepy.

Creepy for sure. Whats downright scary is that this dude probably votes... :Q
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Who was it that said we should make it known that a nuke set off on American city will be responded by a nuke being dropped on Mecca?

It was his way of creating a MAD like scenario for the islamic crazies.


Man I wish I could remember where this quote was from, but some president in the early 20th century said that the best deterrent to foreign aggression is to make them believe that our response to any such aggression will be shocking and irrationally extreme.

I've read some compelling arguments saying thats why we invaded Iraq post 9/11 - it wasn't so much about the oil or Bush legacy, but more about Afghanistan not offering enough highly visible targets that will flood the evening news with our complete and utter domination. Iraq OTOH offered plenty of such sensational events, beginning with shock and awe and ending with Saddam's execution, with a few hundred thousand dead women and children in between.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Infohawk
If a reasonable inquiry revealed that it was in fact l Qaeda, then:

1) Drop a nuke on the most radical muslim city you could find;

2) Contain the rest of the muslim world;

AND

3) Move to amend the constitution to prohibit the practice of Islam in the US;

4) Give muslim Americans a choice to disavow Islam or leave;

OR

5) Register / monitor all persons in the US

6) Practice ethnic / religious profiling and limit the rights of muslims in the US so that it would not happen again

Either way, we would have to give up a lot of privacy rights in order to implement these policies. 3) and 4) would be more effective but would be a lot more likely to cause a civil war.

creepy.

Creepy for sure. Whats downright scary is that this dude probably votes... :Q

I wonder what he'd do if it was caused by some disgruntled Americans.
 

ranmaniac

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Martial law and dissolve the constitution.

Use National Guard to confiscate all illegal firearms (as firearms are illegal with no constitution)

Mandatory RFID implantation so that Homeland Security can monitor your activities.

Recruit a million youth brigade to inform on neighbors and throw people who criticize the government into a re-education camp, where they can be subject to torture, and medical experiments.

 

rudder

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I would run to the nearest coffee shop and blog how it all was a big conspiracy. Didn't everyone notice all the Jewish people flying down to Florida that day for vacation?
 

DarkThinker

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
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But if it did happen, expect a wave of crime against muslims and people of middle eastern origin.

Well....that would be when I get my little Lolita out of the old dusty box and give it some action :)
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I wonder what he'd do if it was caused by some disgruntled Americans.

Which Americans? If it were Oklahoma City types, then I would
a) try to attack the root of the problem: ignorance.
b) unfortunately, it would also mean tracking of the average citizen to make sure they weren't acquiring nuclear weapons / to make sure they didn't control of the of the government's nuclear weapons (e.g., in depth psychological testing on soldiers who are in contact with nuclear weapons)
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Flat out, Nuke the middle east, all of it, then drop one in Malayasia for good measure, and Indonesia just to make sure you got everyone.
I don't know about you, but the Americans I know aren't interested in paying $20/gallon.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Flat out, Nuke the middle east, all of it, then drop one in Malayasia for good measure, and Indonesia just to make sure you got everyone.
I don't know about you, but the Americans I know aren't interested in paying $20/gallon.

I doubt most Americans would care about gas prices at that point because the economy would already be ruined.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ranmaniac
?Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.? - Henry Kissinger

I tried to send a PM about your sig, but you are not accepting them, so I'll post this:

I like your sig quote, but it's slightly inaccurate.

The actual quote is from Bob Boodward quoting Kissinger, and should read:

?Military men are dumb, stupid animals" [to be used as pawns for foreign policy].
- Henry Kissinger

The quoted text is Woodward quoting his source quoting Kissinger; the latter text is Woodward's paraphrasing of the context.

It was one of Kissinger's many reported snubs to Al Haig.

Read Seymour Hersh's "The Price of Power" for an interesting description of the back-stabbing culture in the Nixon White House between Kissinger and the military.
 

Donuts

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Launch every nuke we had at the middle east, then sit back with my favorite beer and a good cigar.
 

Blueychan

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I would blame the US government for mistreating the muslims the last couple decades.
 

ranmaniac

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
?Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.? - Henry Kissinger

I tried to send a PM about your sig, but you are not accepting them, so I'll post this:

I like your sig quote, but it's slightly inaccurate.

The actual quote is from Bob Boodward quoting Kissinger, and should read:

?Military men are dumb, stupid animals" [to be used as pawns for foreign policy].
- Henry Kissinger

The quoted text is Woodward quoting his source quoting Kissinger; the latter text is Woodward's paraphrasing of the context.

It was one of Kissinger's many reported snubs to Al Haig.

Read Seymour Hersh's "The Price of Power" for an interesting description of the back-stabbing culture in the Nixon White House between Kissinger and the military.

I'll update my sig, yeah Kissinger is definitely a scary individual, and considering he's probably one of the most intelligent individuals involved in foreign policy advising.
 

The Green Bean

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some posts here scare me. if you demand us to close down our radical schools why haven't you shut down yours?