If a cop pulls you over...

[HAL9000]

as already stating, here in the US, speeding is not a crime in most cases, in IL, its a crime starting at either 25 or 30mph over the speed limit, so speeding doesnt make you a criminal

That's a shame.

 

[Zargon]

That's a shame.

not really.

which one of these guys are you again?

 

[HAL9000]

not really.

which one of these guys are you again?

Manic I'm Jezz, Depressed I'm Mark. Love it.

 

[Zargon]

Jezz is kinda closet gay now isnt he....

 

[HAL9000]

Jezz is kinda closet gay now isnt he....

He's not the closet, he's slept with men, I think he's a bi guy.

 

[Triumph]

So why aren't cops allowed to search your pockets as you walk down the street, HAL?

 

[HAL9000]

So why aren't cops allowed to search your pockets as you walk down the street, HAL?

Google it. I'm sure there are thousands of valid arguments out there about personal privacy.

Also: The police are allowed to search your pockets in the UK, if they have reason to.

 

[Triumph]

Google it. I'm sure there are thousands of valid arguments out there about personal privacy.

Ok I'll just have a discussion with Google then.

Also: The police are allowed to search your pockets in the UK, if they have reason to.

Your entire argument is that the police have the right to search your car for no other reason than they feel like it.

 

[HAL9000]

Ok I'll just have a discussion with Google then.



Your entire argument is that the police have the right to search your car for no other reason than they feel like it.

I didn't say no other reason... I said if you were in some way suspicious, like you had committed a crime such as speeding.

 

[Taejin]

So I'm curious to see what people's attitudes/beliefs are about this. Let's assume you're pulled over, and after running your license and tags the cop asks you if he can search your car. What would you do?

say no

 

[Triumph]

I didn't say no other reason... I said if you were in some way suspicious, like you had committed a crime such as speeding.

This thread isn't about people who have committed crimes. The idea of probable cause has been explained to you multiple times (although speeding is NOT probable cause to investigate other crimes). This thread is about cops asking to search your car for no other reason than to try and find something to arrest you for. And you said you were ok with this.

One thing I find interesting about this thread. Pretty much everyone, with the exception of Hal, agree that the police do not have carte blanche authority to search your car without probable cause. The discussion is about whether or not you would let them. Some say no way, it's my right to refuse. Others say, well it's just easier for me, he won't find anything and I'll be on my way sooner. But the only British member says that the police can search you for any reason.

 

[HAL9000]

This thread isn't about people who have committed crimes. The idea of probable cause has been explained to you multiple times (although speeding is NOT probable cause to investigate other crimes). This thread is about cops asking to search your car for no other reason than to try and find something to arrest you for. And you said you were ok with this.

One thing I find interesting about this thread. Pretty much everyone, with the exception of Hal, agree that the police do not have carte blanche authority to search your car without probable cause. The discussion is about whether or not you would let them. Some say no way, it's my right to refuse. Others say, well it's just easier for me, he won't find anything and I'll be on my way sooner. But the only British member says that the police can search you for any reason.

That's because in England they can, it's a statement of fact.

 

[Triumph]

That's because in England they can, it's a statement of fact.

Gotcha. Police in England can search you for any reason, or no reason at all. Nice system you got there.

 

[Scotteq]

This thread isn't about people who have committed crimes. The idea of probable cause has been explained to you multiple times (although speeding is NOT probable cause to investigate other crimes). This thread is about cops asking to search your car for no other reason than to try and find something to arrest you for. And you said you were ok with this.

One thing I find interesting about this thread. Pretty much everyone, with the exception of Hal, agree that the police do not have carte blanche authority to search your car without probable cause. The discussion is about whether or not you would let them. Some say no way, it's my right to refuse. Others say, well it's just easier for me, he won't find anything and I'll be on my way sooner. But the only British member says that the police can search you for any reason.

That's because in England they can, it's a statement of fact.

As usual - HAL is full of shit.


Source: The UK Legislation's own statutes.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/part/I

Power of constable to stop and search persons, vehicles etc.E+W.(1)A constable may exercise any power conferred by this section—.

(a)in any place to which at the time when he proposes to exercise the power the public or any section of the public has access, on payment or otherwise, as of right or by virtue of express or implied permission; or.

(b)in any other place to which people have ready access at the time when he proposes to exercise the power but which is not a dwelling..

(2)Subject to subsection (3) to (5) below, a constable—.

(a)may search—.

(i)any person or vehicle;.
(ii)anything which is in or on a vehicle,.
for stolen or prohibited articles [F1, any article to which subsection (8A) below applies or any firework to which subsection (8B) below applies] ; and
(b)may detain a person or vehicle for the purpose of such a search..

(3)This section does not give a constable power to search a person or vehicle or anything in or on a vehicle unless he has reasonable grounds for suspecting that he will find stolen or prohibited articles [F2, any article to which subsection (8A) below applies or any firework to which subsection (8B) below applies] ..

So - Protections damned well *are* afforded to the UK public. Not as extensive as in the United States, perhaps, but the police are still required to have "Reasonable Grounds".


/End_Argument

 

[HAL9000]

Gotcha. Police in England can search you for any reason, or no reason at all. Nice system you got there.

Seems like a good system to me, the Police need to be able to search criminals. I've never been searched or had my car searched in the UK... I have in American though :hmm:

 

[Triumph]

Seems like a good system to me, the Police need to be able to search criminals. I've never been searched or had my car searched in the UK... I have in American though :hmm:

Notwithstanding what is posted directly above, you are once again proving your willingness to relinquish your personal rights to a higher authority. Typical British trait. You are essentially saying that you are OK with being treated like a criminal, if it helps the police find criminals. That is pathetic.

 

[HAL9000]

Notwithstanding what is posted directly above, you are once again proving your willingness to relinquish your personal rights to a higher authority. Typical British trait. You are essentially saying that you are OK with being treated like a criminal, if it helps the police find criminals. That is pathetic.

I'm saying that, it's not a higher authority, the police are people, made up by people, the government is people, made up by the people, elected by the people. I'm not giving up my rights to someone who has "god given rights" I'm saying that, in order to protect ourselves, we must give certain people rights to arrest, for example, or to search. If the police had no rights to do things to normal subjects, they wouldn't be the police, they'd be morons wearing uniforms.

Your response is typical American bullshit, "everyone should be able to do anything to hell with the consequences"

 

[Zargon]

Your response is typical American bullshit, "everyone should be able to do anything to hell with the consequences"

no we are saying the powers that be shouldnt be able to treat us like dogcrap for no apparant reason, and searching our persons and things for no apparant reason = like dogcrap, to us

if you sheeple like that way great, but welcome to V for vendetta

 

[HAL9000]

no we are saying the powers that be shouldnt be able to treat us like dogcrap for no apparant reason, and searching our persons and things for no apparant reason = like dogcrap, to us

if you sheeple like that way great, but welcome to V for vendetta

So you think that emptying your pockets for a police officer or allowing them to look through your car after you have committed a crime degrades your existence to the point of dog crap?! Christ, America is fucked up, welcome to delusionville.

P.S. You need to re-watch V for Vendetta.

 

[goobernoodles]

Got pulled over yesterday. :|

He didn't ask to search my car, just gave me a $113 ticket. I would have let him search my car. There's literally nothing in it besides glove box items and cd's.

 

[Ulfwald]

You can search my car, as long as I can video it and post it on you tube. First you must state on film why you pulled me over, and what your Probable Cause is. then I get to film you searching my car, and by filming, I get to film every action your hands make.

 

[Zargon]

So you think that emptying your pockets for a police officer or allowing them to look through your car after you have committed a crime degrades your existence to the point of dog crap?! Christ, America is fucked up, welcome to delusionville.

P.S. You need to re-watch V for Vendetta.

no, I said for no apparant reason. in the USA, if the officer has reasonable suspicion or special circumstance they can search you without a warrant, including your car or house.

them 'deciding' you might be a criminal is not a good enough reason, which is what you keep posting, then you change your wording for a rebuttal as if we are procrime

this thread has never been about suspected criminals, ever, or people pulled over during the commiting of a crime.

 

[Triumph]

So you think that emptying your pockets for a police officer or allowing them to look through your car after you have committed a crime degrades your existence to the point of dog crap?! Christ, America is fucked up, welcome to delusionville.

P.S. You need to re-watch V for Vendetta.

Jesus fucking christ you retard, how many times has it been said to you that the officer has to have PROBABLE CAUSE to do those things. You are the one that said he has the right to do that, if you "look suspicious."

 

[BoberFett]

Seems like a good system to me, the Police need to be able to search criminals. I've never been searched or had my car searched in the UK... I have in American though :hmm:

So you ARE a criminal?

 

[HAL9000]

no, I said for no apparant reason. in the USA, if the officer has reasonable suspicion or special circumstance they can search you without a warrant, including your car or house.

them 'deciding' you might be a criminal is not a good enough reason, which is what you keep posting, then you change your wording for a rebuttal as if we are procrime

this thread has never been about suspected criminals, ever, or people pulled over during the commiting of a crime.

In america speeding might not be a crime, in the UK it is, so this thread has been about that.

Jesus fucking christ you retard, how many times has it been said to you that the officer has to have PROBABLE CAUSE to do those things. You are the one that said he has the right to do that, if you "look suspicious."

Being suspicious = probable cause.

So you ARE a criminal?

Nope, I said that's the way it works in the UK, not the US.