Idiot student goes to Korea to commit crime against the state and people.

[NostaSeronx]

"It's a brutal regime," Trump [president] went on, "and we'll be able to handle it."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Warmbier was "murdered by the [North Korean dictator] Kim Jong-un[sic] regime."

"In the final year of his life, he lived the nightmare in which the North Korean people have been trapped for 70 years: forced labor, mass starvation, systematic cruelty, torture, and murder," McCain said, later adding, "The United States of America cannot and should not tolerate the murder of its citizens by hostile powers."

Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, said North Korea should be "universally condemned for its abhorrent behavior.” He added that Warmbier’s family "had to endure more than any family should have to bear."

Ohio’s other senator, Democrat Sherrod Brown, said the country's "despicable actions ... must be condemned."

"This horrendous situation further underscores the evil, oppressive nature of the North Korean regime that has such disregard for human life," John Kasich [governor] says.

Here we go~

 

[mizzou]

That country needed to go a long time ago. Id be glad to house refugees from Korea. Isnt that all China and South Korea are worried about, in the end, is the refugee crisis stemming from a brief but possibly terrifying war? (Obviously shelling is a huge worry, but logistics win wars)

 

[JSt0rm]

That country needed to go a long time ago. Id be glad to house refugees from Korea. Isnt that all China and South Korea are worried about, in the end, is the refugee crisis stemming from a brief but possibly terrifying war? (Obviously shelling is a huge worry, but logistics win wars)

Big talk from a guy with no skin in the game.

 

[Svnla]

ABC News Nighline just ran a story about this guy. He made his visit to NK via Young Pioneers, a travel group that based in commie china and boasted about how their trips were the ones that your mother would warn you about. This is why when you visit other countries, do observe their rules. Don't be "the ugly American".

Also, why in the world that some folks would want to visit countries that do not like the US. Could not pay me enough to do so.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

Wonder how NK will respond if at all.

"Despite being in a 'coma' since April 2016, he was able to survive and prosper for over a year under the watchful eyes of our Dear Leader. His death less than a week after returning home to the imperialist aggressors only demonstrates the superiority of our healthcare system under the benevolent guidance of [I can't remember another name for him]."

 

[xthetenth]

That country needed to go a long time ago. Id be glad to house refugees from Korea. Isnt that all China and South Korea are worried about, in the end, is the refugee crisis stemming from a brief but possibly terrifying war? (Obviously shelling is a huge worry, but logistics win wars)

This is profoundly underselling things. Seriously, German unification is still not done, and East Germany was a model state about as good as the Soviet bloc could make it. Never mind that Germany literally never, even immediately after WWII, had it as bad as North Korea as far as qualified educators, bureaucrats, judges and all the other people who make a state run. Are there actually qualified dissidents with strong enough credentials to rebuild the systems? Do they actually have what it takes to give the students in their systems a modern education? Even with a heroic effort that would badly damage South Korean educations by cannibalizing their society for everyone who can teach for a long time, I doubt that's the case. Quite bluntly even if the North Korean military hangs it up and goes home and everyone in the government does everything according to an optimal plan in a perfectly orderly fashion, this is going to take generations to fix. Because of language barriers, South Korea will have to buy whatever future they want for North Korea with their own future, and that will be neither cheap nor fun.

That's just the future, and why kids who haven't been born yet would still be screwed and left unable to contribute properly to a modern economy, leaving their area impoverished. There's a lot of people now who are barely going to be able to function in the modern world. They don't have an education, a ton of them are suffering from the effects of malnourishment, it's painfully obvious that there's a lot of people who will have to be given make-work if employing them is desired, or just given welfare so they don't die.

But that's not what'll happen at all. The North Korean army won't give up, or even if they do, they'll change from an army to a bunch of desperate people with guns in a country where survival is uncertain and the basic functions of a state aren't reliably there. Seoul is going to have a lot of damage, even if the worst of it will likely only be some of the city. There's going to be a lot of costs from any military action necessary, and the North Korean state is going to be in horrible shape, and the politics outside there will not guide towards the easiest or best way of dealing with things.

 

[NTMBK]

That country needed to go a long time ago. Id be glad to house refugees from Korea. Isnt that all China and South Korea are worried about, in the end, is the refugee crisis stemming from a brief but possibly terrifying war? (Obviously shelling is a huge worry, but logistics win wars)

How many million people do you think will die in that teensy little bit of shelling? Seoul is 35 miles from the DMZ, and has a population of 25 million.

 

[mizzou]

How many million people do you think will die in that teensy little bit of shelling? Seoul is 35 miles from the DMZ, and has a population of 25 million.

i need to find the analsis someone did on all the possible shelling from known static gun emplacements
It was really quite amazing the damage which could be done...but if i remember right most of the dense population centers are out of range of conventional weapons.

Its just strange to me when you think about how this country continued to hole up in its hermit kingdom. Why would China really be worried about a unified Norh and South Korea? Is sharing a border worse then having a Kim Jong criminal enterprise next door?

What does Russia really care about it for? What is in North Korea which would give any Nation a huge advantage?


Or is it simply a risky buffer. I just dont understand how such a fragile nation can be considered worthwhile as a buffer.

For what its worth, which may not be much, I think the entire globe would be eager to help the humanitarian crisis.


...which then brings me to a hypocritical point of thought where the world is totally inept at handling the mideast crisis.....

Maybe we just let them continue what they are doing :shrug: Either way, it is dumb for anyone to visit north korea but nobody should die for wanting to.

 

[Bitek]

Let this be a PSA to never, ever go to NK if your are an American.

Probably can add some other places to that list, but it has to be at the top of any list of bad ideas.

Obviously this is tragic and cruel and undeserved, but for fucks sake, stay out of these 3rd world hellholes if you value living.

Don't trust them. They could want to fuck you up just to send a FU to Trump. Kid is dead and nothing we can do about it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Let this be a PSA to never, ever go to NK if your are an American.

Probably can add some other places to that list, but it has to be at the top of any list of bad ideas.

Obviously this is tragic and cruel and undeserved, but for fucks sake, stay out of these 3rd world hellholes if you value living.

Don't trust them. They could want to fuck you up just to send a FU to Trump. Kid is dead and nothing we can do about it.

Main thing with NK or Iran is they desperately want American dollars. They arrest to effectively hold you for a ransome.
I'm pretty sure Obama put limits of families sending money to these places because it just encourages them to do it more.
Thanks Obama

 

[pmv]

This is profoundly underselling things. Seriously, German unification is still not done, and East Germany was a model state about as good as the Soviet bloc could make it. Never mind that Germany literally never, even immediately after WWII, had it as bad as North Korea as far as qualified educators, bureaucrats, judges and all the other people who make a state run. Are there actually qualified dissidents with strong enough credentials to rebuild the systems? Do they actually have what it takes to give the students in their systems a modern education? Even with a heroic effort that would badly damage South Korean educations by cannibalizing their society for everyone who can teach for a long time, I doubt that's the case. Quite bluntly even if the North Korean military hangs it up and goes home and everyone in the government does everything according to an optimal plan in a perfectly orderly fashion, this is going to take generations to fix. Because of language barriers, South Korea will have to buy whatever future they want for North Korea with their own future, and that will be neither cheap nor fun.

That's just the future, and why kids who haven't been born yet would still be screwed and left unable to contribute properly to a modern economy, leaving their area impoverished. There's a lot of people now who are barely going to be able to function in the modern world. They don't have an education, a ton of them are suffering from the effects of malnourishment, it's painfully obvious that there's a lot of people who will have to be given make-work if employing them is desired, or just given welfare so they don't die.

But that's not what'll happen at all. The North Korean army won't give up, or even if they do, they'll change from an army to a bunch of desperate people with guns in a country where survival is uncertain and the basic functions of a state aren't reliably there. Seoul is going to have a lot of damage, even if the worst of it will likely only be some of the city. There's going to be a lot of costs from any military action necessary, and the North Korean state is going to be in horrible shape, and the politics outside there will not guide towards the easiest or best way of dealing with things.

Yes, just look at how Syria has turned out, after decades of a regime where people were tortured or torturers or both (and a longer history of colonialism and lesser forms of social and political dysfunction). Its hard to see how NK can become a 'normal' country in the foreseeable future, even if there's no actual war. If it ends in a war the immediate and long-term results are going to be appalling. Seems to me the least bad outcome is on-going economic stagnation with slow and sporadic political reform getting to a point (a long time in the future) where it can collapse without total mayhem.

I once knew someone who had been to NK, but he was a Chinese citizen, possibly safer for them. Far too risky for a Westerner.

 

[Stokely]

From what an expert said during an NPR interview yesterday (didn't catch the name), if only sanctions would be actually enforced they would have an effect. The problem according to him is that various countries routinely ignore any sanctions and buy/sell to NK.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I honestly believe that the communist countries have identified their opportunity with Trump in office and are in the process of exploiting his weaknesses to their advantage. He's not accustomed to pressure like this and the kid being sent home to demoralize our people was a psychological tool. China smiles while they talk to him all the while they continue to attract new manufacturing while we give ours up. Ford sending the Focus production to China should sound the alarm bells as business leaders downplay its significance.

 

[evident]

Jeez, I wonder how this tragedy could have been avoided.

I do feel terrible for his loved ones, but this was a dumbass move on his part.

 

[Stokely]

That same guy on NPR mentioned that NK gets a lot of money from American tourism. Might, you know, be a good idea to put a halt to that....

 

[Puffnstuff]

That same guy on NPR mentioned that NK gets a lot of money from American tourism. Might, you know, be a good idea to put a halt to that....

But the propaganda video showed happy people playing at the water park so inquiring minds have to go investigate this. Just like people buy diet pills that claim they can eat what they want without gaining any weight.

 

[AdamK47]

As I was driving into work today I noticed hundreds of blue and white ribbons along with hundreds of tiny american flags lining the street. Apparently Otto Warmbier will be buried across the street from where I work. He'll be buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, which is about 200 yards from where I'm currently sitting. There are news crews taking up space the parking lot. The police are everywhere.

 

[Puffnstuff]

As I was driving into work today I noticed hundreds of blue and white ribbons along with hundreds of tiny american flags lining the street. Apparently Otto Warmbier will be buried across the street from where I work. He'll be buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, which is about 200 yards from where I'm currently sitting. There are news crews taking up space the parking lot. The police are everywhere.

Wouldn't want anyone to steal anything while they're in the cemetery.

 

[evident]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...r-agency-used-otto-warmbier-north-korea-trip/

Sounds like the tour group is run by a bunch of douchebag degenerates with too much white privelege.
It's easy to see in that type of environment why the guy did what he did. they all think it's a fun experience like a spring break where they can gawk at all the poor locals and steal shit with no repercussions.