Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: JD50
Do you also require a valid reason as to why we need the freedom of speech on a college campus?
This is even worse than the security guard question! Free speech is a constitutional guarantee, concealed weapons carry on the same campus isn't. Why is it that I have to be first painted as an anti-gun nut because I oppose the passing of this bill, and now I much be anti-free speech?
Because you've presented no valid points beyond emotional appeal for your active position (banning the possession of something.) Whereas we've given you plenty of reasons why it can do no harm to allow certain people to carry on campus.
Who is giving the emotional appeal? All I see is,"Wtf, There have been some shootings in Colleges elsewhere in the country .... we need concealed carry on campus to protect ourselves."
That to me is an emotional overreaction, and no one as presented an unbiased source that shows that concealed carry on campus will help stop those isolated incidents. You also say that I want something banned, which isn't the case as it is already law. 49 out of 50 states (correct me if I am wrong) currently ban civilian concealed carry on public campuses. Utah is that one state, and the argument didn't start or gain speed until the Virginia Tech incident.
You want that law changed, but imho the burden of evidence is on you, so far all I hear are potential scenarios of what would happen, in counter I could give you negative scenarios.
1. Frat boys with concealed carry get drunked up .... shooting occurs that wouldn't have occurred otherwise. I am aware they would lose their licenses and get fined for use of alcohol while carrying, but I can still imagine the headlines.
2. Gunmen opens fire on students / faculty. Ccw holder shoots / attempts to shoot the shooter, a 3rd ccw holder sees this and shoots the first ccw holder thinking he / she is the culprit.
I could keep going, but it would be totally pointless as you believe as strongly in your 'cause' as I am about not changing the current laws. Imho The cowboy era of the 1800's is over and there is little to no reason for civilians to carry, especially on campuses. I am content to leave that role to security and law enforcement officials.