CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yes, I know there is another thread on that incident. It doesn't change his "embellished" claims.
Now back to the subject.
CsG
Yes, I know there is another thread on that incident. It doesn't change his "embellished" claims.
Now back to the subject.
CsG
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I have watched it several times. His embellished claims are not supported by the video.
Again...back to the topic.
CsG
And the video doesn't disturb you?
Oh yeah, that's right. You're all in favor of totalitarianism.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I didn't say it wasn't disturbing, but regardless - it has nothing to do with his embellishment(or purposeful deceit).
No, I do not favor totalitarianism.
Now again, for the fourth time - back to the topic.
CsG
This *is* part of the topic. It's about the attempts by the Bush campaign to thwart any type of dissent at a Bush rally.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Ah, and the RNC incident is tied to this how? Oh....right...the Bush hating tie. gotcha :roll:
It still doesn't change the fact that he embellished(or purposely tried to decieve with) his description.
CsG
Put the shiny watch down Cad, I'm not "getting veeeery sleeep." What exactly did I claim?
1.) Puffy haired boy grabbed woman and threw her to the ground
Addendum: I'm not a forensics detective but notice the way the jerks two or three times while his arm is obscured. He definately was tugging on something.
2.) Once woman is on the ground, puffy haired boy proceeds to kick her in what appears to be the head area.
Addendum: Well upon even FURTHER review, it's difficult to discern whether puffy haired boy is kicking said woman in the head or in the ribs. Now, of course, if it were the latter, I guess we shouldn't be having this conversation
As far as how many times puffy kicked the lady, how relevant is that? It's not as if he tried to help her like a gentleman, the guy kicked her like a dog.Most of all, you're missing the point; the protesters we're being obnoxious but that doesn't excuse the fact that this puffy kid assaulted a person and was not reprimanded at all. IT WAS CAUGHT ON FILM and the kid was even confronted about at the event! IT's already been pointed out that at this particular event, many protesters (a behavior your blessed Fore Fathers highly encouraged) were repremanded for trespassing or whatever at a public venue and no republicans were held accountable for their actions.
Despite all the posts from the side of the fence about alleged misbahovior of the Democrats, this indicates the equal vitriol of the Reps. This is also indicative of the restrictive, devisive, and outright sectarianistic atmosphere the Republicans are creating across the political landscape. If you were, in fact, a traditionalist, I think you would be more encouraging of dissent and differing perspectives. Instead, those of your ilk are sowing the seeds of totalitarianism in our own country under the pretense of the GWOT.
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- You know who
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Put the shiny watch down Cad, I'm not "getting veeeery sleeep." What exactly did I claim?
1.) Puffy haired boy grabbed woman and threw her to the ground
Addendum: I'm not a forensics detective but notice the way the jerks two or three times while his arm is obscured. He definately was tugging on something.
2.) Once woman is on the ground, puffy haired boy proceeds to kick her in what appears to be the head area.
Addendum: Well upon even FURTHER review, it's difficult to discern whether puffy haired boy is kicking said woman in the head or in the ribs. Now, of course, if it were the latter, I guess we shouldn't be having this conversation
Most of all, you're missing the point; the protesters we're being obnoxious but that doesn't excuse the fact that this puffy kid assaulted a person and was not reprimanded at all. IT WAS CAUGHT ON FILM and the kid was even confronted about at the event! IT's already been pointed out that at this particular event, many protesters (a behavior your blessed Fore Fathers highly encouraged) were repremanded for trespassing or whatever at a public venue and no republicans were held accountable for their actions.
Despite all the posts from the side of the fence about alleged misbahovior of the Democrats, this indicates the equal vitriol of the Reps. This is also indicative of the restrictive, devisive, and outright sectarianistic atmosphere the Republicans are creating across the political landscape. If you were, in fact, a traditionalist, I think you would be more encouraging of dissent and differing perspectives. Instead, those of your ilk are sowing the seeds of totalitarianism in our own country under the pretense of the GWOT.
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- You know who
1. "throw a woman to the ground" != "tugging on something" - You=embellished(purposely tried to deceive)
2. ""kick here in the head" != "head or in the ribs" - You can't see, yet you claim it was the head. You=embellished(purposely tried to deceive)
No where did I say what he did was "OK". But again, that doesn't change the fact that you embellished(purposely tried to deceive) the story. Your version didn't match the video and you got called on it. Now you're trying to weasel your way out of it. Even your boy conjur can't help you with your misrepresentation.
Your alarmists rhetoric is nothing more than partisan tripe. Yes, it happens on both sides but you are trying to say it's indicative of the big bad Republicans and not that "alleged misbehavior of the Democrats"
Yeah, no spin there.:roll:I'm a Conservative. I believe that Respect for others is a virtue. I also believe that there are avenues for people to voice their opinions, but to disrespect others while doing so is selfish and juvenile. Yes, that goes for both sides.
Again, this little story you embellished has little/nothing to do with this topic(except Bush bashing). Yours was about assault/whatever - this was about tickets and entrance. There is a thread on the RNC incident(conjur linked to it) - I suggest you use it.
CsG
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Dammit, someone answer my question!
I'll give it a shot. Since these campaigns have been going on for months now, anyone still undecided is likely a complete idiot. For that reason, I'd be against wasting either Bush's or Kerry's time forcing them to respond to asinine queries from that portion of the general public which still can't make up its mind. Ever since that pony-tailed fool at the 1992 debates asked the candidates who would make a better 'daddy', I've been in favor of letting undecided voters keep their questions to themselves.
Since when are campaign rallies public events? They have never been public events. Anything that requires a ticket is a PRIVATE event. Doesnt matter if said private event is on public property either.
So, by that standard, you should be able to claim a front row seat at Kerry's inauguration - public officer, public property after all.
Or you have the right to go to the majority of stadiums in the US and assemble, afterall the vast majority fit the public property definition.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Put the shiny watch down Cad, I'm not "getting veeeery sleeep." What exactly did I claim?
1.) Puffy haired boy grabbed woman and threw her to the ground
Addendum: I'm not a forensics detective but notice the way the jerks two or three times while his arm is obscured. He definately was tugging on something.
2.) Once woman is on the ground, puffy haired boy proceeds to kick her in what appears to be the head area.
Addendum: Well upon even FURTHER review, it's difficult to discern whether puffy haired boy is kicking said woman in the head or in the ribs. Now, of course, if it were the latter, I guess we shouldn't be having this conversation
Most of all, you're missing the point; the protesters we're being obnoxious but that doesn't excuse the fact that this puffy kid assaulted a person and was not reprimanded at all. IT WAS CAUGHT ON FILM and the kid was even confronted about at the event! IT's already been pointed out that at this particular event, many protesters (a behavior your blessed Fore Fathers highly encouraged) were repremanded for trespassing or whatever at a public venue and no republicans were held accountable for their actions.
Despite all the posts from the side of the fence about alleged misbahovior of the Democrats, this indicates the equal vitriol of the Reps. This is also indicative of the restrictive, devisive, and outright sectarianistic atmosphere the Republicans are creating across the political landscape. If you were, in fact, a traditionalist, I think you would be more encouraging of dissent and differing perspectives. Instead, those of your ilk are sowing the seeds of totalitarianism in our own country under the pretense of the GWOT.
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- You know who
1. "throw a woman to the ground" != "tugging on something" - You=embellished(purposely tried to deceive)
2. ""kick here in the head" != "head or in the ribs" - You can't see, yet you claim it was the head. You=embellished(purposely tried to deceive) World of difference
World of difference there Cad, I stand humbled before you... :laugh: FIrst of all I put a link out so people could judge the situation for themselves. I would welcome your differing point of view if it weren't for your attempts at character assination. I'm not sure how effective you feel you are, but I truly didn't parse the video as much as you did. I watched, I was disgusted, I posted a link with a description of what I saw. You saw it differently. Fin.
No where did I say what he did was "OK". But again, that doesn't change the fact that you embellished(purposely tried to deceive) the story. Your version didn't match the video and you got called on it. Now you're trying to weasel your way out of it. Even your boy conjur can't help you with your misrepresentation. I'll no longer claim that you're missing the point because it's been spelled out for you plain as day. What you're now doing is trying to draw attention away from the issue by pounding away at symantics that don't really do anything to help your effort to begin with. But you go on with yer bad self and parse away.
Your alarmists rhetoric is nothing more than partisan tripe. Yes, it happens on both sides but you are trying to say it's indicative of the big bad Republicans and not that "alleged misbehavior of the Democrats"
I'm a Conservative. I believe that Respect for others is a virtue. Lol! Great sig material. I also believe that there are avenues for people to voice their opinions, but to disrespect others while doing so is selfish and juvenile. Yes, that goes for both sides. ok , selfish and juvenille. What about criminal? And does it merit violent response? Is this a broad reflection of the hatred held for those with strongly differing political points of view? Here we have two different scenerios (secterian audience control measures and violent reactions towards those who actually infiltrate one of these events) begging for the scrutinty of the tactics being employed by the republicans.
Keep in mind, the Republican party's ultimate goal is to foster a government where they are in complete control of all aspects of it. When the "effective" minority voices their dissent, it will either be totally ignored and written off as disloyal and unpatriotic or they will face draconian oppression like that witnessed in the video I linked. I'm trying to illustrate this notion for you.
Again, this little story you embellished has little/nothing to do with this topic(except Bush bashing). Yours was about assault/whatever - this was about tickets and entrance. There is a thread on the RNC incident(conjur linked to it) - I suggest you use it. again, this isn't as off topic as you would lke to think. I'm simply correlating it to a broader level. And who cares if the video is not novel, that doesn't mean it is not relevant to the conversation.
CsG
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
jjzelinski - as much as you want to play games, it doesn't change the fact that you were called on your BS embellishment(purposeful deceit?). You can try to backtrack all you want and try to change the subject but the fact remains.
Also, your little link and embellished description have little/nothing to do with entrance to a Bush event. There is a thread already started for the RNC incident. Please, for the last time - use it.
Sorry you can't handle the truth. :beer:
CsG
Also, your little link and embellished description have little/nothing to do with entrance to a Bush event. There is a thread already started for the RNC incident. Please, for the last time - use it.
Sorry you can't handle the truth. :beer:
CsG
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