I'd like to go to a Bush event...

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

What happened to the chants of "He's not my president" coming from the left?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You know what...if kerry becomes president, guess what...the Secret Service will require the same procedures.

Incorrect. Even according to the Bush campaign, this screening process is attributable to "overzealous" local organizers, not the Secret Service. I don't take issue with his wanting to ensure no known terrorists or potential assassins are in the crowd, through reasonable measures, but dissenters . . .

Sen Kerry is also protected by the SS, and freely lets his critics into the audience.

Well..when Kerry was in town, it was by invitation only to about 100 people.

Again all I was asked for was DL and P#

 

[kage69]

You know what...if kerry becomes president, guess what...the Secret Service will require the same procedures.

Yeah, I serious doubt that. There are certain security measures to be expected, checking SS#s for instance, but an affidavit of support? Declaration of party affiliation? Negro please. These are measures designed to shield a politican from having to 'think on his toes.' i.e., respond to a crowd member with a viable response instead of just reading straight off the teleprompter. Case you haven't noticed over the past 4 years or so, Bush doesn't do that well with things like defending his various positions, or English....

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not in particular. He is out on the campaign trail talking with people who support him and letting them know his views to reassure them.

If they let every tom, dick, and harry into the thing. He would be spending half his time dealing with hecklers.

It disrupts the speech and causes incidents between the hecklers and the Bush supporters.

Ah yes, I remember how vocal you neocons were during the incident with the guy with his daughter on his shoulders. Fvcking bunch of hypocrites the lot of you.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not in particular. He is out on the campaign trail talking with people who support him and letting them know his views to reassure them.

If they let every tom, dick, and harry into the thing. He would be spending half his time dealing with hecklers.

It disrupts the speech and causes incidents between the hecklers and the Bush supporters.

Ah yes, I remember how vocal you neocons were during the incident with the guy with his daughter on his shoulders. Fvcking bunch of hypocrites the lot of you.

Your username is appropriate to match your ridiculous umbrella statements.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: kage69

You know what...if kerry becomes president, guess what...the Secret Service will require the same procedures.

Yeah, I serious doubt that. There are certain security measures to be expected, checking SS#s for instance, but an affidavit of support? Declaration of party affiliation? Negro please. These are measures designed to shield a politican from having to 'think on his toes.' i.e., respond to a crowd member with a viable response instead of just reading straight off the teleprompter. Case you haven't noticed over the past 4 years or so, Bush doesn't do that well with things like defending his various positions, or English....

I was referring to the same procedures as when i went to the Bush Rally:

Drivers License
Phone Number

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: AntaresVI

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not in particular. He is out on the campaign trail talking with people who support him and letting them know his views to reassure them.

If they let every tom, dick, and harry into the thing. He would be spending half his time dealing with hecklers.

It disrupts the speech and causes incidents between the hecklers and the Bush supporters.

Ah yes, I remember how vocal you neocons were during the incident with the guy with his daughter on his shoulders. Fvcking bunch of hypocrites the lot of you.

Your username is appropriate to match your ridiculous umbrella statements.

Were you here when that post was going on and how many of them defended his right to take his daughter to the opponents rally? Didn't think so. You have mede 3 posts in the last 90 days in P&N and you are going to tell me I am wrong? Pft. Not all republicans are hypocrites, only the ones that waved the flag during the Parlock indicent who now state that there is no reason for any Bush dissenters to be at a Bush rally.

 

[onelove]

its all for safety purposes - it wouldn't be safe for a non-supporter to be at a bush rally.

politix has turned into something even more abhorrent than it used to be. Since TV is reality, just set up everything for TV and that way controversy can never take the stage.

 

[jjzelinski]

Yeah I can buy the safety reason to an extent, after watching that republican kid throw a woman to the ground and repeatedly kick here in the head on camera without any reprecussian it may be in the dissenters best interest to avoid attending all together.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Well..when Kerry was in town, it was by invitation only to about 100 people.

Again all I was asked for was DL and P#

When Sen Kerry came here it was freely open to the public, and no phone number or DL# was required (even of Bush supporters!). 20,000+ people attended. The 100-person event you're describing was obviously a private fundraiser, rather than a rally.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: Perknose
There is something deeply disturbing about the President of the United States attending public rallies at which only rigorously pre-screened supporters are allowed, ralllies which are in part subsidised by tax dollars (for the Secret Service) from citizens who now are not allowed to see their own President in person, simply because they do not agree with him. This may not be all or even most of his rallies, but that it happens at all is a sad day for the republic.

I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

Fine, if they want to go on preaching to the converted, let them. They will not convince anybody in the middle this way.

Sure, this event becomes private when held on private property. But that right there is a travesty, and downright un-American. This country was founded on the principle of an informed populace engaging in a robust exchange in a free marketplace of ideas. Shameful!

 

[dahunan]

Fire up the pre-cog unit.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: Perknose
There is something deeply disturbing about the President of the United States attending public rallies at which only rigorously pre-screened supporters are allowed, ralllies which are in part subsidised by tax dollars (for the Secret Service) from citizens who now are not allowed to see their own President in person, simply because they do not agree with him. This may not be all or even most of his rallies, but that it happens at all is a sad day for the republic.

I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

Fine, if they want to go on preaching to the converted, let them. They will not convince anybody in the middle this way.

Sure, this event becomes private when held on private property. But that right there is a travesty, and downright un-American. This country was founded on the principle of an informed populace engaging in a robust exchange in a free marketplace of ideas. Shameful!

Thing is, the Bush rallies play well on TV where they are then seen by millions. That's the whole point.

 

[Genx87]

Ah yes, I remember how vocal you neocons were during the incident with the guy with his daughter on his shoulders. Fvcking bunch of hypocrites the lot of you.

lol

Doubt I even responded to that. I dont remember that conversation at all. You sound bitter? There are pills you can take for that

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: Perknose
There is something deeply disturbing about the President of the United States attending public rallies at which only rigorously pre-screened supporters are allowed, ralllies which are in part subsidised by tax dollars (for the Secret Service) from citizens who now are not allowed to see their own President in person, simply because they do not agree with him. This may not be all or even most of his rallies, but that it happens at all is a sad day for the republic.

I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

Fine, if they want to go on preaching to the converted, let them. They will not convince anybody in the middle this way.

Sure, this event becomes private when held on private property. But that right there is a travesty, and downright un-American. This country was founded on the principle of an informed populace engaging in a robust exchange in a free marketplace of ideas. Shameful!

Thing is, the Bush rallies play well on TV where they are then seen by millions. That's the whole point.

Bingo! Instead of a virtuous president, we get a virtual one.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Well..when Kerry was in town, it was by invitation only to about 100 people.

Again all I was asked for was DL and P#

When Sen Kerry came here it was freely open to the public, and no phone number or DL# was required (even of Bush supporters!). 20,000+ people attended. The 100-person event you're describing was obviously a private fundraiser, rather than a rally.

It was held in somebodys backyard and wasn't a fundraiser...he was here to talk about healthcare

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

It was held in somebodys backyard and wasn't a fundraiser...he was here to talk about healthcare

Huh - interesting. I had presumed (incorrectly) that it was one of those $5,000-a-plate dinners, like the ones both candidates had recently up here in the Land of Microsoft (like we needed more traffic jams!).

 

[jjzelinski]

Since someone has expressed interest in proof of the event I described several posts up, here it is for all to see. Not a very Christian thing to do, I might say.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Since someone has expressed interest in proof of the event I described several posts up, here it is for all to see. Not a very Christian thing to do, I might say.

Ummm - you want to amend your earlier statement or should we consider it a lie?

"after watching that republican kid throw a woman to the ground and repeatedly kick here in the head on camera "

CsG

 

[jjzelinski]

Well let's see, kid grabs womans arm, pulls her to the ground and starts to kick her in what looks like the head area. Maybe I'm just biased and the kid thought she was on fire and was trying to douse the flames with his foot.

EDIT*

I see what the problem, it's not explicit enough for your taste. After carefully reviewing the footage, the call will be ammended: in an attempt to grab woman, puffy haired boy *appears* to have made contact and made the assist in the sack. Puffy kicked woman, debatable on whether or not it was her head since the footage was obscured. Unecessary roughness, 15 yard penalty.

 

[DealMonkey]

Just how is an undecided voter supposed to get a forum with the President and perhaps ask him some questions? Bush apparently doesn't do unscripted town hall type events. His other events are closed off for anyone who doesn't sign a pledge or if you do get in and try to raise a question/point, the SS goons drag you out and arrest you.

Seriously, why is it an undecided voter or someone who just wants some answers from the POTUS can't attend these events and why can't the President spend some time answering their questions?

The whole scenario stinks.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Just how is an undecided voter supposed to get a forum with the President and perhaps ask him some questions? Bush apparently doesn't do unscripted town hall type events. His other events are closed off for anyone who doesn't sign a pledge or if you do get in and try to raise a question/point, the SS goons drag you out and arrest you.

Seriously, why is it an undecided voter or someone who just wants some answers from the POTUS can't attend these events and why can't the President spend some time answering their questions?

The whole scenario stinks.

Had to look POTUS up

 

[judasmachine]

So what if you sign your pledge, and give your SSN, and don't vote for the illiterate from Connecticut? Will the feds track me down, and imprison me? Nah, but they will have my name and addy so they can mail me crap I don't want. On a more serious note, this does seem to alienate the undecideds. who want to put theiir name down for a guy they aren't sure they are going to vote for?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Well let's see, kid grabs womans arm, pulls her to the ground and starts to kick her in what looks like the head area. Maybe I'm just biased and the kid thought she was on fire and was trying to douse the flames with his foot.

EDIT*

I see what the problem, it's not explicit enough for your taste. After carefully reviewing the footage, the call will be ammended: in an attempt to grab woman, puffy haired boy *appears* to have made contact and made the assist in the sack. Puffy kicked woman, debatable on whether or not it was her head since the footage was obscured. Unecessary roughness, 15 yard penalty.

Uhh...where exactly is the "throw a woman to the ground" part? It isn't in your video. What is in your video is a girl being grabbed by security and falling. You also have the kid trying to grab her but to claim he threw her to the ground isn't supported by your video. Also where do you get this part? "kick here in the head" Ofcourse you can't see her head so were you just embellishing it - right?

Anyway - back to the subject.

CsG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uhh...where exactly is the "throw a woman to the ground" part? It isn't in your video. What is in your video is a girl being grabbed by security and falling. You also have the kid trying to grab her but to claim he threw her to the ground isn't supported by your video. Also where do you get this part? "kick here in the head" Ofcourse you can't see her head so were you just embellishing it - right?

CsG

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