I'd like to go to a Bush event...

[abaez]

http://nytimes.com/2004/09/28/.../campaign/28crowd.html

The campaign began engaging potential recruits as soon as the Bangor rally was scheduled, a week earlier. Those who wanted tickets were required to apply for them, filling out forms stating their home and e-mail addresses, phone numbers, Social Security numbers, willingness to volunteer and whether they supported the president.

...

...has given rise to repeated instances across the country where rallygoers were asked to sign affidavits of support to get tickets.

 

[Genx87]

And?

If people want to protest then head on down to the whitehouse.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: abaez
http://nytimes.com/2004/09/28/.../campaign/28crowd.html

The campaign began engaging potential recruits as soon as the Bangor rally was scheduled, a week earlier. Those who wanted tickets were required to apply for them, filling out forms stating their home and e-mail addresses, phone numbers, Social Security numbers, willingness to volunteer and whether they supported the president.
...
...has given rise to repeated instances across the country where rallygoers were asked to sign affidavits of support to get tickets.

Same thing happened in the 1930's. Happening here now just confirming how History repeats itself.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87
And?

If people want to protest then head on down to the whitehouse.

Now that's a stupid statement.

 

[Genx87]

Wow you are bringing lots to the table.

You must be liberal.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Wow you are bringing lots to the table.

You must be liberal.

I already know you're a neocon with idiotic statments like that. Whatever happened to the right to assembly? Oh that's right, only if it goes with the neocon agenda. Must've missed that, must be in fine print.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87
Wow you are bringing lots to the table.

You must be liberal.

I already know you're a neocon with idiotic statments like that. Whatever happened to the right to assembly? Oh that's right, only if it goes with the neocon agenda. Must've missed that, must be in fine print.

You have the right to assemble















as long as it's not in this Country.

 

[Genx87]

I already know you're a neocon with idiotic statments like that. Whatever happened to the right to assembly? Oh that's right, only if it goes with the neocon agenda. Must've missed that, must be in fine print.

Right to assembly is not the same as right to heckle. This is a Bush event put on by the Bush campaign. They have a right to allow whoever they want in. If you dont want to give out your SS# and a sworn afidavidt. Then by all means use your right to assemble and assemble in front of the Whitehouse.

But alas, what fun is that? You get much more attention when you heckle a president and cause disruption.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I already know you're a neocon with idiotic statments like that. Whatever happened to the right to assembly? Oh that's right, only if it goes with the neocon agenda. Must've missed that, must be in fine print.

Right to assembly is not the same as right to heckle. This is a Bush event put on by the Bush campaign. They have a right to allow whoever they want in. If you dont want to give out your SS# and a sworn afidavidt. Then by all means use your right to assemble and assemble in front of the Whitehouse.

But alas, what fun is that? You get much more attention when you heckle a president and cause disruption.

Public officer, public property means I get to go! Period! Regarless of political affiliation. I shouldn't have to put my name on a list or my SS #. That's repugnant.

 

[Genx87]

Who told you that line of crap?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I already know you're a neocon with idiotic statments like that. Whatever happened to the right to assembly? Oh that's right, only if it goes with the neocon agenda. Must've missed that, must be in fine print.

Right to assembly is not the same as right to heckle. This is a Bush event put on by the Bush campaign. They have a right to allow whoever they want in. If you dont want to give out your SS# and a sworn afidavidt. Then by all means use your right to assemble and assemble in front of the Whitehouse.

But alas, what fun is that? You get much more attention when you heckle a president and cause disruption.

Doesn't it strike you as unusual that the handlers of the President of the United States seem to feel he can't handle some hecklers? I just find it weird. When I went to see Sen Kerry, they allowed some enthusiastic Bush supporters near the stage, and he respectfully responded to their critiques and questions.

Clearly, legally, the Bush campaign can exclude whomever they want from these rallies, but frankly as a taxpayer I'm not crazy about having millions of my tax dollars spent to travel the President and VP around to dozens of rallies at which I will only be welcome if I provide my SSN and an affidavit pledging support. Talk about lawyerly behavior . . .

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

I already know you're a neocon with idiotic statments like that. Whatever happened to the right to assembly? Oh that's right, only if it goes with the neocon agenda. Must've missed that, must be in fine print.

Right to assembly is not the same as right to heckle. This is a Bush event put on by the Bush campaign. They have a right to allow whoever they want in. If you dont want to give out your SS# and a sworn afidavidt. Then by all means use your right to assemble and assemble in front of the Whitehouse.

But alas, what fun is that? You get much more attention when you heckle a president and cause disruption.

Public officer, public property means I get to go! Period! Regarless of political affiliation. I shouldn't have to put my name on a list or my SS #. That's repugnant.

This is an event on owned (either business or personal) property so it isn't the "public" property (like the sidewalk) you are wanting it to be. If you don't want to give the info, then don't. Just like you don't have to give the info if you want a credit card but don't count on getting the card just like you shouldn't count on getting into the event.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

*sigh* More alarmist BS.
Not only did I not have to sign anything to attend 4 events but I actually volunteered to help work the events without signing a damn thing.


It's fun to see the leftist's desperation showing once again though. This is what? About the third time you guys have tried to trot out this signature BS?

CsG

 

[Genx87]

Not in particular. He is out on the campaign trail talking with people who support him and letting them know his views to reassure them.

If they let every tom, dick, and harry into the thing. He would be spending half his time dealing with hecklers.

It disrupts the speech and causes incidents between the hecklers and the Bush supporters.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not in particular. He is out on the campaign trail talking with people who support him and letting them know his views to reassure them.

If they let every tom, dick, and harry into the thing. He would be spending half his time dealing with hecklers.

It disrupts the speech and causes incidents between the hecklers and the Bush supporters.

I just don't think that's the case. As I said, I attended a Kerry rally with 20K+ people in Tacoma, Washington, and there were a number of Bush supporters there. Sen Kerry responded to their questions, and there was no violence between Bush and Kerry supporters (although one especially, er, touched Bush advocate walked by the line assembled outside, yelling "All you people wouldn't have time to be here if you had jobs! You all suck! You're all on welfare!").

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: abaez
http://nytimes.com/2004/09/28/.../campaign/28crowd.html

The campaign began engaging potential recruits as soon as the Bangor rally was scheduled, a week earlier. Those who wanted tickets were required to apply for them, filling out forms stating their home and e-mail addresses, phone numbers, Social Security numbers, willingness to volunteer and whether they supported the president.

...

...has given rise to repeated instances across the country where rallygoers were asked to sign affidavits of support to get tickets.

This is BS

I went to a Bush rally recently and they did ask for a Drivers License and Phone Number to get a ticket...since he IS the president after all. There was no form to be signed.

 

[Genx87]

I just don't think that's the case. As I said, I attended a Kerry rally with 20K+ people in Tacoma, Washington, and there were a number of Bush supporters there. Sen Kerry responded to their questions, and there was no violence between Bush and Kerry supporters (although one especially, er, touched Bush advocate walked by the line assembled outside, yelling "All you people wouldn't have time to be here if you had jobs! You all suck! You're all on welfare!").

Well the keyword is "think". The simple fact is they can do whatever they want at their own rally.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

This is BS

I went to a Bush rally recently and they did ask for a Drivers License and Phone Number to get a ticket...since he IS the president after all. There was no form to be signed.

I find that encouraging. It certainly appears this has happened at a number of Bush rallies, but that may be a function of overzealous local organizers.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
*sigh* More alarmist BS.
Not only did I not have to sign anything to attend 4 events but I actually volunteered to help work the events without signing a damn thing.


It's fun to see the leftist's desperation showing once again though. This is what? About the third time you guys have tried to trot out this signature BS?

CsG

I was just counting the second for you to dismiss the truth with "I didn't sign anything..." Good for you, but most have to. Now they are requiring people to work call center or canvass the streets to get tickets. Enjoy your version of reality, you earned it I guess.

The invitation-only policy - and its application by what Bush campaign officials call overzealous organizers at the local level - has given rise to repeated instances across the country where rallygoers were asked to sign affidavits of support to get tickets.

"It's like going to Disney World, only instead of the cartoon character saying you have to be this tall to ride, they have a picture of Rush Limbaugh saying you have to be this right-wing to get in," Mr. Shea said.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
*sigh* More alarmist BS.
Not only did I not have to sign anything to attend 4 events but I actually volunteered to help work the events without signing a damn thing.


It's fun to see the leftist's desperation showing once again though. This is what? About the third time you guys have tried to trot out this signature BS?

CsG

I was just counting the second for you to dismiss the truth with "I didn't sign anything..." Good for you, but most have to. Now they are requiring people to work call center or canvass the streets to get tickets. Enjoy your version of reality, you earned it I guess.

The invitation-only policy - and its application by what Bush campaign officials call overzealous organizers at the local level - has given rise to repeated instances across the country where rallygoers were asked to sign affidavits of support to get tickets.

"It's like going to Disney World, only instead of the cartoon character saying you have to be this tall to ride, they have a picture of Rush Limbaugh saying you have to be this right-wing to get in," Mr. Shea said.

Perhaps you could stop your spin for second....

There was NO form to sign.

If you wanted VIP tix, you could get them volunteering some time....but not required to GA Tix

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
*sigh* More alarmist BS.
Not only did I not have to sign anything to attend 4 events but I actually volunteered to help work the events without signing a damn thing.


It's fun to see the leftist's desperation showing once again though. This is what? About the third time you guys have tried to trot out this signature BS?

CsG

I was just counting the second for you to dismiss the truth with "I didn't sign anything..." Good for you, but most have to. Now they are requiring people to work call center or canvass the streets to get tickets. Enjoy your version of reality, you earned it I guess.

The invitation-only policy - and its application by what Bush campaign officials call overzealous organizers at the local level - has given rise to repeated instances across the country where rallygoers were asked to sign affidavits of support to get tickets.

"It's like going to Disney World, only instead of the cartoon character saying you have to be this tall to ride, they have a picture of Rush Limbaugh saying you have to be this right-wing to get in," Mr. Shea said.

And you have proof "most" do?:roll: Nice try...
Also, you are FOS with the canvassing thing(another case of ASSuming instead of reading and comprehending). We've done that here but it has nothing to do with actually getting a ticket. It has to to with "upgrading" your ticket to be closer to the front depending on the venue. And in our case it was done the day of the event(the asking for volunteers) - NOT when they picked up a ticket.

Yep - like I said earlier - just more alarmist BS. Now with more asinine accusations.

CsG

 

[Perknose]

There is something deeply disturbing about the President of the United States attending public rallies at which only rigorously pre-screened supporters are allowed, ralllies which are in part subsidised by tax dollars (for the Secret Service) from citizens who now are not allowed to see their own President in person, simply because they do not agree with him. This may not be all or even most of his rallies, but that it happens at all is a sad day for the republic.

I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Perknose
There is something deeply disturbing about the President of the United States attending public rallies at which only rigorously pre-screened supporters are allowed, ralllies which are in part subsidised by tax dollars (for the Secret Service) from citizens who now are not allowed to see their own President in person, simply because they do not agree with him. This may not be all or even most of his rallies, but that it happens at all is a sad day for the republic.

I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

You know what...if kerry becomes president, guess what...the Secret Service will require the same procedures.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Perknose
There is something deeply disturbing about the President of the United States attending public rallies at which only rigorously pre-screened supporters are allowed, ralllies which are in part subsidised by tax dollars (for the Secret Service) from citizens who now are not allowed to see their own President in person, simply because they do not agree with him. This may not be all or even most of his rallies, but that it happens at all is a sad day for the republic.

I thought the President was supposed to be President of ALL the people.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at above. It feels wrong to me that my Commander in Chief would ever be inaccessible to me because I don't happen to agree with him on one or more issues. Between the Secret Service, the operating costs of AF1, and the franking privilege, we are paying untold millions for the President's re-election campaign, so it seems fundamentall undemocratic that any campaign event would weed out potential dissenters this way.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You know what...if kerry becomes president, guess what...the Secret Service will require the same procedures.

Incorrect. Even according to the Bush campaign, this screening process is attributable to "overzealous" local organizers, not the Secret Service. I don't take issue with his wanting to ensure no known terrorists or potential assassins are in the crowd, through reasonable measures, but dissenters . . .

Sen Kerry is also protected by the SS, and freely lets his critics into the audience.