I'd kill the SOB

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

I'm a selfish guy but it is far from depressing or disgusting. Because of my selfishness, I improve society so that I may benefit from those improvements. You know that is how the capitalist system works right?

To an extent. Taken to an extreme, you have anarchy. There comes a point where the good of each person interferes absolutely with the good of another.

Capitalism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society. Socialism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society.

Look at the labor market... it is moving more and more towards being controlled solely by market forces, not by established organizational structures stemming from the post WWII economy... is this a good thing? While the overall employment rate is lower, is there a higher QOL? Does it matter that the median wage today is lower than it was twenty years ago? Does the decrease in job security and increase in contingent employment, while beneficial for most corporations, justify the cost in human terms?

I'd like to see you walk down the streets of inner-city LA spouting your beliefs... see how long you last. Go to skid row, maybe that will change your POV a little.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

I'm a selfish guy but it is far from depressing or disgusting. Because of my selfishness, I improve society so that I may benefit from those improvements. You know that is how the capitalist system works right?

To an extent. Taken to an extreme, you have anarchy. There comes a point where the good of each person interferes absolutely with the good of another.

Capitalism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society. Socialism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society.

Look at the labor market... it is moving more and more towards being controlled solely by market forces, not by established organizational structures stemming from the post WWII economy... is this a good thing? While the overall employment rate is lower, is there a higher QOL? Does it matter that the median wage today is lower than it was twenty years ago? Does the decrease in job security and increase in contingent employment, while beneficial for most corporations, justify the cost in human terms?

I'd like to see you walk down the streets of inner-city LA spouting your beliefs... see how long you last. Go to skid row, maybe that will change your POV a little.

very true, but all i would say is this: tntrulez, you are referring to economic theory that the world's most respected economists will acknoledge is still under development.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
I'm calling your form straight out wrong and being such, is not true Buddhism at all.

LOL, yeah... and why am I wrong?

Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

Enlighten me, oh wise one.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of the question.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

I'm a selfish guy but it is far from depressing or disgusting. Because of my selfishness, I improve society so that I may benefit from those improvements. You know that is how the capitalist system works right?

To an extent. Taken to an extreme, you have anarchy. There comes a point where the good of each person interferes absolutely with the good of another.

Capitalism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society. Socialism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society.

Look at the labor market... it is moving more and more towards being controlled solely by market forces, not by established organizational structures stemming from the post WWII economy... is this a good thing? While the overall employment rate is lower, is there a higher QOL? Does it matter that the median wage today is lower than it was twenty years ago? Does the decrease in job security and increase in contingent employment, while beneficial for most corporations, justify the cost in human terms?

I'd like to see you walk down the streets of inner-city LA spouting your beliefs... see how long you last. Go to skid row, maybe that will change your POV a little.

very true, but all i would say is this: tntrulez, you are referring to economic theory that the world's most respected economists will acknoledge is still under development.

All theories are still "under development" until they become true facts. As you can clearly see, all economic theories is still under development.

Also, I did not say that I am an extremist. I only said that I am selfish but I am not completely without morals. I can tell when there is pain and suffering and sometimes, I even care. The point is that I try to improve society because I am selfish and I would gain from improving society. If I do not gain anything, I doubt I would try to do much about anything.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

Enlighten me, oh wise one.

Was I even talking to you?

 

[her209]

TNTRulez, please enlighten Zakath15 and I.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of the question.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of proving your knowledge.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Was I even talking to you?

You are good at dodge ball eh?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Was I even talking to you?

No, you weren't. But I'm curious about it. I have a brief understanding of Buddhism, this just seemed like a question to ask. Besides, a search on Google didn't turn anything up.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

lol this is sounding like a political debate

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
No, you weren't. But I'm curious about it. I have a brief understanding of Buddhism, this just seemed like a question to ask. Besides, a search on Google didn't turn anything up.

I agree the Enlightned one didn't even spell it right

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
lol this is sounding like a political debate

Funny how these threads can start out fairly innocuously... and look how they end up.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Zakath15
No, you weren't. But I'm curious about it. I have a brief understanding of Buddhism, this just seemed like a question to ask. Besides, a search on Google didn't turn anything up.

I agree the Enlightned one didn't even spell it right

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Hehe, spelling and grammar aren't a priority for some, apparently...

<--- runs off to try different spellings...

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

I'm a selfish guy but it is far from depressing or disgusting. Because of my selfishness, I improve society so that I may benefit from those improvements. You know that is how the capitalist system works right?

To an extent. Taken to an extreme, you have anarchy. There comes a point where the good of each person interferes absolutely with the good of another.

Capitalism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society. Socialism, to an extreme, is detrimental to society.

Look at the labor market... it is moving more and more towards being controlled solely by market forces, not by established organizational structures stemming from the post WWII economy... is this a good thing? While the overall employment rate is lower, is there a higher QOL? Does it matter that the median wage today is lower than it was twenty years ago? Does the decrease in job security and increase in contingent employment, while beneficial for most corporations, justify the cost in human terms?

I'd like to see you walk down the streets of inner-city LA spouting your beliefs... see how long you last. Go to skid row, maybe that will change your POV a little.

very true, but all i would say is this: tntrulez, you are referring to economic theory that the world's most respected economists will acknoledge is still under development.

All theories are still "under development" until they become true facts. As you can clearly see, all economic theories is still under development.

okay, so i was redundant, hopefully you still see my point.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of the question.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of proving your knowledge.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of the issue

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Because you do not know what true Buddhism is. If you can explain to me what Sakkayaddithi is, then I will not argue with you any further.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of the question.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of proving your knowledge.

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of the issue

Ahahaha... what an avoidance of... damn.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Was I even talking to you?

No, you weren't. But I'm curious about it. I have a brief understanding of Buddhism, this just seemed like a question to ask. Besides, a search on Google didn't turn anything up.

Sakkayaddithi is one of the ten fetters that are "false attitutes towards reality imbibed and strengthened in the sub-conscious from time immemorial, for countless lives."

Sakkayaditthi is the ignorance of identification. Another phase of it is ignorant abstraction.

That is, you are ignorant in identifying things because nothing is constant. Whatever rises up is surely passing away. Nothing remains the same for two consecutive moments, so how can you put an indentity on a thing that will not exist the next moment? No two points can be caught as stagnant (by abstraction), compared together and got the idea of change.

Ahh so complex, even I don't understand it perfectly.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Sakkayaddithi is one of the ten fetters that are "false attitutes towards reality imbibed and strengthened in the sub-conscious from time immemorial, for countless lives."

Sakkayaditthi is the ignorance of identification. Another phase of it is ignorant abstraction.

That is, you are ignorant in identifying things because nothing is constant. Whatever rises up is surely passing away. Nothing remains the same for two consecutive moments, so how can you put an indentity on a thing that will not exist the next moment? No two points can be caught as stagnant (by abstraction), compared together and got the idea of change.

Ahh so complex, even I don't understand it perfectly.

I understand the concept, and it makes sense... how, though, can you apply it? Nothing remains exactly the same... that's great. You still possess certain attributes that identify you as something unique from other things.

<--- gets irritated by philosophies which have no application in real life.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Sakkayaddithi is one of the ten fetters that are "false attitutes towards reality imbibed and strengthened in the sub-conscious from time immemorial, for countless lives."

Sakkayaditthi is the ignorance of identification. Another phase of it is ignorant abstraction.

That is, you are ignorant in identifying things because nothing is constant. Whatever rises up is surely passing away. Nothing remains the same for two consecutive moments, so how can you put an indentity on a thing that will not exist the next moment? No two points can be caught as stagnant (by abstraction), compared together and got the idea of change.

Ahh so complex, even I don't understand it perfectly.

I understand the concept, and it makes sense... how, though, can you apply it? Nothing remains exactly the same... that's great. You still possess certain attributes that identify you as something unique from other things.

<--- gets irritated by philosophies which have no application in real life.

Well, it is one of the ten fetters. If you can get rid of them all, then you should become an arahan. No, I have not destroyed any of those fetters yet so I can't tell you what it is like.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Well, it is one of the ten fetters. If you can get rid of them all, then you should become an arahan. No, I have not destroyed any of those fetters yet so I can't tell you what it is like.

<--- hasn't destroyed any of the ten fetters... but is wondering why he should even bother? He'd rather play GTA3 and destroy an entire city.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
Sakkayaddithi is one of the ten fetters that are "false attitutes towards reality imbibed and strengthened in the sub-conscious from time immemorial, for countless lives."

Sakkayaditthi is the ignorance of identification. Another phase of it is ignorant abstraction.

That is, you are ignorant in identifying things because nothing is constant. Whatever rises up is surely passing away. Nothing remains the same for two consecutive moments, so how can you put an indentity on a thing that will not exist the next moment? No two points can be caught as stagnant (by abstraction), compared together and got the idea of change.

Ahh so complex, even I don't understand it perfectly.

sakk&aacute;ya-ditthi: 'personality-belief', is the first of the 10 fetters (samyojana). It is entirely abandoned only on reaching the path of Stream-winning (sot&aacute;patti-magga; s. ariya-puggala). There are 20 kinds of personality-belief, which are obtained by applying 4 types of that belief to each of the 5 groups of existence (khandha, q.v.): (1-5) the belief to be identical with corporeality, feeling, perception, mental formations or consciousness; (6-10) to be contained in them; (11-15) to be independent of them; (16-20) to be the owner of them (M. 44; S. XXII. 1). See prec., ditthi, up&aacute;d&aacute;na 4.

buddhist dictionary linkie


sakkaya-ditthi: Self-identification view. The view that mistakenly identifies any of the khandha as "self"; the first of the ten fetters (samyojana). Abandonment of sakkaya-ditthi is one of the hallmarks of stream-entry (see sotapanna). [MORE]

a glossary of pali and buddhist terms

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Well, it is one of the ten fetters. If you can get rid of them all, then you should become an arahan. No, I have not destroyed any of those fetters yet so I can't tell you what it is like.

<--- hasn't destroyed any of the ten fetters... but is wondering why he should even bother? He'd rather play GTA3 and destroy an entire city.

<--- wondering if Zakath15 has become Eakers

 

[Lucky]

jebus christ what happened to this thread?