iCloud runs on Amazon and Microsoft tech

[Gibson486]

So those products are Bose and Senheisser in name alone




My last job in manufacturing was in 2003 - 2004, when I worked at a heat exchanger shop in southwest Louisiana.

Before then, it was 1986 - 1999 in various pressure vessel, heat exchanger shops and structural shops.

You obviously have no concept of the design phase. You can't simply plug stuff together and make it work.

Also, heat exchangers have to be made here because they are required for industry processes such as wastewater plants and it does not make economic sense to ship something so heavy overseas in bundles. That said, you may want to enter the industry again because even those companies are going over sees now. Look at flow meters. For the longest time, none of them where manufactured in the US anymore. Now, with the "buy american act", companies a flocking to the US and setting up shop. But the assembly process just includes putting a liner into the flow meter.

 

[Texashiker]

You obviously have no concept of the design phase. You can't simply plug stuff together and make it work.

I have worked on phosgene and cyanide service units, I assure you I have a concept of design.

Its one thing to work on a set of headphones, its another thing to work on something that can kill you in a matter of seconds.

That said, you may want to enter the industry again because even those companies are going over sees now.

Your comments look like you skimmed through wikipedia.

I am not going explain why certain types of industrial services can not be shipped overseas, your head would probably explode.

 

[pcslookout]

Prefer using my own online cloud service. Better, free, and I can setup it up exactly how I want it. 1.2 TB of data and counting so far backed up!

 

[alfa147x]

Prefer using my own online cloud service. Better, free, and I can setup it up exactly how I want it. 1.2 TB of data and counting so far backed up!

Oh yeah? 15 days late to the party...

 

[Patranus]

LOL - The OP is an idiot

What does Microsoft "build"? Oh thats right, they *buy* servers from HP, IBM, Dell, or Sun.

What does Amazon "build"? Oh thats right, they *buy* servers from HP, IBM, Dell, or Sun.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Prefer using my own online cloud service. Better, free, and I can setup it up exactly how I want it. 1.2 TB of data and counting so far backed up!

Free maybe, but certainly not better. Let me know when your personal cloud can do this.

 

[SP33Demon]

Free maybe, but certainly not better. Let me know when your personal cloud can do this.

Apple could only dream of a cloud like that. Amazon kicks serious ass. It won't be long til they buy Netflix and become the number one streaming service as well. Ah, the advantages of not paying tax.

 

[bfdd]

LOL - The OP is an idiot

What does Microsoft "build"? Oh thats right, they *buy* servers from HP, IBM, Dell, or Sun.

What does Amazon "build"? Oh thats right, they *buy* servers from HP, IBM, Dell, or Sun.

they built the software that allows those systems to operate in a manner which is useful to anyone. so useful in fact that their largest competitor uses it because they don't have the capabilities to do it themselves.

 

[Lifted]

they built the software that allows those systems to operate in a manner which is useful to anyone. so useful in fact that their largest competitor uses it because they don't have the capabilities to do it themselves.

And who builds Apple's software that runs their iCloud?

Do you, along with Texashiker, think the manufacturing plant that Apple outsources their production to is worth more than Apple? LOL

 

[jlee]

...stupidity overload.

Holy fuck.

 

[silverpig]

Part of a companies value is based on how much property they own. Also known as assets.

If apple sold off all of their property, would that money equal what the company is valued at?

Since apple only owns some office space, maybe some land that the building is sitting on, some servers,,,, the company does not have very much physical value.

Now take exxon - they own chemical plants, drilling rigs,,,, physical property that has a real value to it. The people at exxon can point to an offshore drilling rig and say "that rig is valued at 10 million dollars".

By not owning the manufacturing plants, apples "real" value is decreased.

It appears to me that apples stock prices are inflated by how well their products sell, and not by how much money the company is really worth.

I can tell you that virtually none of a company's valuation is based on the assets it owns. When you do a valuation, you take the present value of all future cash flows. Thus, the valuation is based entirely on future profits. Assets don't come into the picture at all. It doesn't matter if Apple owns their own stuff, or if they contract it all out.

Investors don't give a shit about buying a piece of a factory. They are buying a piece of the profits that factory is going to produce.

However, the real issue with Apple is they have no manufacturing ability of their own, which means it can be copied and improved upon. Foxconn could easily iterate all their processes to next gen, then make phones themselves and put android on them. The hardware would be better than anything Apple could make because Foxconn is the manufacturer. That's the danger with outsourcing.

 

[Lifted]

However, the real issue with Apple is they have no manufacturing ability of their own, which means it can be copied and improved upon. Foxconn could easily iterate all their processes to next gen, then make phones themselves and put android on them. The hardware would be better than anything Apple could make because Foxconn is the manufacturer. That's the danger with outsourcing.

You could say the same thing about Dell, HP, and Acer.

The value in Apple comes from their design and user experience. You can copy them all you want, but you'll always be at least one generation behind them, and in the tech industry, that's a recipe for fail.

 

[silverpig]

You could say the same thing about Dell, HP, and Acer.

The value in Apple comes from their design and user experience. You can copy them all you want, but you'll always be at least one generation behind them, and in the tech industry, that's a recipe for fail.

Dell HP and Acer don't make anything either.

If Intel comes up with new tech and they want to make a new phone on it, Apple's screwed.

If Samsung comes up with a 0.5 mm thick 4.3" flexible UHD display and they start making phones out of it, Apple's screwed.

Sony could build the best damn walkman ever, but designing a product can only go so far. You need the tech too.

 

[Patranus]

they built the software that allows those systems to operate in a manner which is useful to anyone. so useful in fact that their largest competitor uses it because they don't have the capabilities to do it themselves.

LOL - Microsoft isn't a "major" competitor of Apple. Microsoft is playing catchup in the consumer markets and Apple has abandon the enterprise markets.

Anyways. OMG, Microsoft built a product onto of Intel products because they don't have the capabilities to do it themselves! OMG OMG.


(BTW, Apple designs their own hardware in their consumer devices )

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

LOL - Microsoft isn't a "major" competitor of Apple. Microsoft is playing catchup in the consumer markets and Apple has abandon the enterprise markets.

You're seriously kidding yourself if you believe this.

 

[Lifted]

You're seriously kidding yourself if you believe this.

Where is Zune?

Where are all of the Windows Phones? Verizon is selling one.

Other than their Windows OS on PC's, what traction does Microsoft have in the consumer space?

 

[Lifted]

If Intel comes up with new tech and they want to make a new phone on it, Apple's screwed.

If Samsung comes up with a 0.5 mm thick 4.3" flexible UHD display and they start making phones out of it, Apple's screwed.

A lot of if's there without any historical basis for any of it. Neither Intel nor Samsung have released any mobile device that has been even half as popular as Apple's latest. When was the last time you had a consumer device that said "Intel" on it? iPod, iPhone, iPad... Intel and Samsung can do better? I'm sure they could if they hired everyone working at Apple.

Using your logic, if Facebook releases a phone and a tablet then Intel, Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Apple, etc., are screwed.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Apple is a design company. They design devices and software, and contract out the building of the products they design to someone else. Simple as that. Most computer "manufacturers" do that these days. AFAIK Asus and MSI are pretty much the only two manufacturers of their own computers anymore (and the quality shows in their products), and like Foxconn, carry out contracts for other OEMs as well as general parts manufacturing for DIY builders.

Asus and MSI :thumbsup: Used to have an Asus G52 (well I kind of still have it). Loved the hell out of the thing. All the MSI parts I've purchased from them have all turned out very well, including the mobos in the last two computers I built.

 

[Venix]

Since apple only owns some office space, maybe some land that the building is sitting on, some servers,,,, the company does not have very much physical value.

Now take exxon - they own chemical plants, drilling rigs,,,, physical property that has a real value to it. The people at exxon can point to an offshore drilling rig and say "that rig is valued at 10 million dollars".

Others have addressed the moronic content of these posts, but I want to know what the hell ",,,," is. Is it like an idiot's version of an ellipsis? Did this guy invent it, or are there actually other dumbasses who also type like this?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Other than their Windows OS on PC's, what traction does Microsoft have in the consumer space?

Other than their Windows OS on PCs? The statement I was doubting was (I quote)

LOL - Microsoft isn't a "major" competitor of Apple. Microsoft is playing catchup in the consumer markets and Apple has abandon the enterprise markets.

So no, I don't discount their operating system, which is very much a consumer product and is beating the pants off Apple by every measure possible. Microsoft is also very competitive in a space Apple is trying very hard to break into - gaming.

The idea that either one of those companies isn't a viable competitor to the other is frankly absurd. They both have the power to change things dramatically in each others' product spaces. Remember, iPhone didn't exist 5 years ago. These markets change very fast.

One thing that confuses me about you Apple fanboys is how gleeful you'd be in the case that Apple actually had no competition. Competition drives innovation forward and prices downward, and we are downright fortunate to have several viable competitors in these markets.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

When was the last time you had a consumer device that said "Intel" on it?

Why would Intel sell a consumer device? They seem to be doing just fine without having their name on a consumer device - heck I personally own 2 laptops with Intel chips in them (one of which is *gasp* a Macbook Pro). You completely missed silverpig's point.

 

[Lifted]

Other than their Windows OS on PCs? The statement I was doubting was (I quote)So no, I don't discount their operating system, which is very much a consumer product and is beating the pants off Apple by every measure possible.

Apple sells computers which have an Apple OS installed giving them the ability to tune the user experience as they see fit. Microsoft sells software. While not completely different market segments, it's apples and oranges.

Why would Intel sell a consumer device? They seem to be doing just fine without having their name on a consumer device - heck I personally own 2 laptops with Intel chips in them (one of which is *gasp* a Macbook Pro). You completely missed silverpig's point.

The point is Intel would never sell a phone to a consumer, so his point makes no sense. Intel makes components that get used in consumer products. Apple designs and sells consumer products. Apple could decided to use whatever phone parts Intel makes, just like they could use whatever parts nvidia or AMD makes. silverpig seems to think Intel has the ability to compete with Apple at the consumer level, which is 1) unlikely to happen, and 2) and has no historical basis to support such an assumption. Intel is good and making components, and Apple is good and making pretty looking products (sometimes using those components) that people are willing to pay a premium for. The same components can be found in cheaper products that consumers don't want.

 

[SP33Demon]

I can tell you that virtually none of a company's valuation is based on the assets it owns. When you do a valuation, you take the present value of all future cash flows. Thus, the valuation is based entirely on future profits. Assets don't come into the picture at all. It doesn't matter if Apple owns their own stuff, or if they contract it all out.

Investors don't give a shit about buying a piece of a factory. They are buying a piece of the profits that factory is going to produce.

However, the real issue with Apple is they have no manufacturing ability of their own, which means it can be copied and improved upon. Foxconn could easily iterate all their processes to next gen, then make phones themselves and put android on them. The hardware would be better than anything Apple could make because Foxconn is the manufacturer. That's the danger with outsourcing.

Yep, agree with Silver here.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I can tell you that virtually none of a company's valuation is based on the assets it owns. When you do a valuation, you take the present value of all future cash flows. Thus, the valuation is based entirely on future profits. Assets don't come into the picture at all. It doesn't matter if Apple owns their own stuff, or if they contract it all out.

Investors don't give a shit about buying a piece of a factory. They are buying a piece of the profits that factory is going to produce.

However, the real issue with Apple is they have no manufacturing ability of their own, which means it can be copied and improved upon. Foxconn could easily iterate all their processes to next gen, then make phones themselves and put android on them. The hardware would be better than anything Apple could make because Foxconn is the manufacturer. That's the danger with outsourcing.

Incorrect. If so, why don't they do so? Contracts, Patents, Marketing, etc. Unless Foxconn wants to change their business and become a different company then continue doing something that they have become good at, good luck. Do you currently buy any Foxconn branded products? No, you don't.

And part of any valuation will include assets.

 

[Pliablemoose]

This thread is a retard magnet.

Marked as the best answer.

I personally think Apple is a massive Ponzi scheme, they sell products that they don't even make themselves, then take the cash and launder it using fake car wash sales, then deposit the money in banks in Bermuda, finally converting it into Yuan's, to pay off the Chinese for all of those suicides at Foxconn that are actually murders to keep Apple products secret.

The moment the public figures all of this out, Apple is flipping doomed, I tell you, Apple is doomed!!!!

I heard they're a cult too.